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  • Did anyone else notice that grown Diana told her brother Mom and Dad, instead of saying Nick?  So does that mean that Renard is not in the picture anymore? Or do you think she calls them both Dad?

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    • Probably both, as she loved her father and was growing to love Nick as a stepfather because he loved her mom.

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    • I'm guessing that at this point its probably referring to Nick and Adalind and that Renard isn't in the picture as much as Nick, but not to say not at all. Probably situational. The purpose of saying it at all was most likely to specify the "family unit" aka the kids and Nick and Adalind.  

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    • It should be mom and dads are waiting...

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    • That would be Nick and Adalind, since they are a family now.  Not to mention at the end too, Diana really warmed up to Nick, they were the only ones that knew what happened.  So its not a surprised that Diana will call Nick dad.  Also not to mention that Diana lives with Nick and Adalind at least its her primary place.  

      That must be an extremely powerful wesen/s that they are going to fight. Cause with the Burkhardt/Shade family (aka the most powerful family in the "wesen world") with the staff and plus the tipplets?

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    • Brimmski wrote:

      That must be an extremely powerful wesen/s that they are going to fight. Cause with the Burkhardt/Shade family (aka the most powerful family in the "wesen world") with the staff and plus the tipplets?

      I found it interesting that they were going "hunting" I think it would have to be powerful, or an elusive Wesen. It feels almost like what would be said if the regular world and the "other place" were to have mixed. 

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    • Oh and its also interesting when the Zerstoerer said to Nick "YOUR children".  In the future Nick probably adapted Diana, that's why "Mom and Dad".

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    • Brimmski wrote:
      Oh and its also interesting when the Zerstoerer said to Nick "YOUR children".  In the future Nick probably adapted Diana, that's why "Mom and Dad".

      Hm, I never thought of it that way. I figured it was just easier to be said in the moment and for effect, basically another way of saying the stick or your children.

      However your version does make a good amount of sense. With no one else and Nick already being her pseudo dad in the regular world.  

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    • At that point in the story Sean was dead so Nick would be the only remainiing  fatherr figure. Then Sean was alive again after, for how long is another question.

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    • Brimmski wrote:
      Oh and its also interesting when the Zerstoerer said to Nick "YOUR children".  In the future Nick probably adapted Diana, that's why "Mom and Dad".

      I don't think so. Sean would not allow it and technically, Nick would need Sean's permission. On the other hand, I very much doubt Diana herself would want to be adopted by Nick. Sean seems to show an understanding toward Diana that Nick doesn't have. Plus, her first contact was with Sean, so he would probably make the greatest impression.

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    • I think Diana's "dad" is referring to Nick, not because Nick adopted her but being raised with Kelly in Nick and Adalind's home. Renard is her father no doubt. She probably spent time with him every other weekend or whatever arrangement was made, I just think the writers were showing how blended this family had become.

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    • Nick just doesn't strike me as an all around good guy dad. I can't see him helping to bake cookies like Renard did.

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    • One doesn't need to bake cookies to be a "good guy dad" to have a close relationship with a child and Nick was shown to care for Diana towards the end of the show. I don't doubt this developing more over the years if the two siblings lived under the same roof while growing up.

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    • Rpmaluki wrote:
      One doesn't need to bake cookies to be a "good guy dad" to have a close relationship with a child.....

      I think there needs to be, otherwise there wouldn't be scenes with Renard going above and beyond to cultivate his relationship with Diana. I also think their relationship didn't start with the cookie baking episode. I have a feeling it started long before when they were in the mansion. 

      As for Nick, it was shown that Diana had a distrust of him when he assumed Renard's form. While Nick did it for an entirely different reason, the child Diana wouldn't understand. She would think as a child does, that Nick was trying to take her father's place. Even if Nick were to lavish care on Diana (which I highly doubt), there's still that episode and from his point of view, there's no explaining that away to a child.

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    • Lucille55 wrote:
      Rpmaluki wrote:
      One doesn't need to bake cookies to be a "good guy dad" to have a close relationship with a child.....
      I think there needs to be, otherwise there wouldn't be scenes with Renard going above and beyond to cultivate his relationship with Diana. I also think their relationship didn't start with the cookie baking episode. I have a feeling it started long before when they were in the mansion. 

      As for Nick, it was shown that Diana had a distrust of him when he assumed Renard's form. While Nick did it for an entirely different reason, the child Diana wouldn't understand. She would think as a child does, that Nick was trying to take her father's place. Even if Nick were to lavish care on Diana (which I highly doubt), there's still that episode and from his point of view, there's no explaining that away to a child.

      Renard spent far less time with Diana so of course he went above and beyond for his daughter. It's more than expected.

      As for Nick and Diana, their relationship was tense, at the start. However, compare Diana, who got rid of the woman she thought would replace her mother's place in her father's life to the Diana opening the portal at the end so Nick could return home back to her mom (someone who's definitely taken Renard's place in Adalind's heart), BIG difference! That shows relational progress or else Nick wouldn't have needed to protect Diana from Z (he would have left Renard to do that by himself) or want his family (Adalind, Kelly and Diana) back when Kelly and Aunt Marie talked some sense into him. We may not have seen Nick bake cookies but he certainly went out of his way to make Diana feel at home at the loft. Sure N & D didn't like each other at the start of the show, they liked another well enough at the end. That is what matters. After 20 years I'm more than certain they are close. We'll have to agree to disagree on Nick being a good "dad" to Diana.

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    • 41.10.3.116 wrote:
      Renard spent far less time with Diana so of course he went above and beyond for his daughter. It's more than expected.
      I think Renard spent as much time with Diana as he could. Don't forget, he just got her back into his life shortly before Adalind did. It's apparent to me that he wanted Diana in his life.
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    • I don't disagree about him spending as much time as he could with Diana, I just think Adalind was the one who had primary care of their daughter, meaning Diana spent more time at the loft than with Renard. it was part of whatever agreement that was made after S06E03. Adalind had to conceed to Renard seeing Diana or else things would have played out differently.

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    • Actually, when I was talking about Renard spending time with Diana, I was responding to the previous post, which implied (per the poster's assumption) that Nick and Diana became close. I don't think that was the case at all. I'm not implying they were enemies. I just see them as being civil to one another, probably for Adalind's sake more then anything else.

      But as to which parent spent more time with Diana, I would say that it's probably 50/50, and that would be at Renard's discretion, not Adalind's. Renard would be the one providing monetary support for his daughter. Adalind could not.

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    • Adalind had gone back to work before Diana's return, nothing would prevent her from doing that again with Diana now settled down between two homes. You can't assume Renard is the only one providing her with financial support in 20 years.

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    • Rpmaluki wrote:
      You can't assume Renard is the only one providing her with financial support in 20 years.

      I don't know why not. You assume Nick and Diana had a close relationship after 20 years. 

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