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  • I can't really tell which love is the true one. Is it:

    1.) Nick's love for Adalind and their baby son?

    2.) Nick's love for Juliette?

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    • It's a tough choice!

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    • the three.but love also could finish,as happened with Juliette.it is curious that Adalind has entrusted Nick,and Juliette had lost confidence in Nick,after having lived with Nick.

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    • Nick and Julliette have a long history and they both are aware that the hexenbiest part was not truly her. Adalind can back Julliette up on that as she does not really want to be one. Kelly is the main thing for Nick in that relationship and Adalind grew fond of Nick when she was normal. He just started to get feelings for her so it is fragile. Now there will be a power struggle within her and Diana will be a strong influence. Only if Diana can accept Nick will that one work. Sean is her father and that will be tough for her when the two have a showdown.

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    • Secret Grimm wrote:
      Nick and Julliette have a long history and they both are aware that the hexenbiest part was not truly her. Adalind can back Julliette up on that as she does not really want to be one. Kelly is the main thing for Nick in that relationship and Adalind grew fond of Nick when she was normal. He just started to get feelings for her so it is fragile. Now there will be a power struggle within her and Diana will be a strong influence. Only if Diana can accept Nick will that one work. Sean is her father and that will be tough for her when the two have a showdown.

      ^Agree

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    • There was true love between Nick and Juliette at the start of the show. I think Nick still loved her even after she became a hexenbiest, but it was only after his mom's death did that shatter for him. I do not believe he would go back to Juliette, if she is Juliette now again but still a hexenbiest. Adalind did try to kill his aunt and poisoned Juliette, but she never got as far as killing them.

      I admit Adalind was no saint at the start of the show, but being a mother to Diana and Kelly changed her a lot, hexenbiest or not. She really had no choice to go to Nick when Kenneth and the royals essentially discarded her to lure Juliette in to get Diana, but she fell in love with him and I believe becoming a hexenbiest again did not affect her love for him.

      Nick has said he does not know how he feels about Adalind, but he did kiss her after she revealed she was a Hexenbiest again, assuring her he would not hurt her. He did not want to take his son's mom away from her, but he also told Monroe he was amazed how good a mother she became. I believe in his desire to get Kelly back, he will try to get Adalind back too.

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    • Nick has no guilt when it comes to Adalind. Adalind only knows the Nick she sees now. With Juliette / Eve there will always be a certain amount Nick will have for what happend to her. Also Nick is not the same Nick JUliette was in love with. Plus Eve is not the same person as Juliette. Even if she get all of her Juliette feelings back. He life goals, and asperations have for ever changed.  Where Adalind needs to be with someone. Juliette / Eve has always not needed but wanted to be with NIck.  

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    • Juliette is an horrible human witch!

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    • Juliette is not a horrible human witch.  She is just a confused one who had no one to turn to.  She could not turn to her friends because she blames them.  Frankly, if it happened to you, won't you?  Everything that happened to her from the time they met Adalind, can all be traced back to Adalind.  That's why I don't have any sympathy for Adalind.  Just imagine your life turned upside down because of a witch, and Adalind did bad things to them several times with malicious intent.  You may react the same way Juliette did.  That's human nature.  Even if I am Juliette, I so like to kill Adalind with my bare hands.  But no, I just close the video when the urge is so much.  Thus, I can't finish episodes without first watching something that will psych me up to watch the balance of the videos.  It is taking me so long to finish each season because I am so angry at the writers for picking on Juliette.

      Couldn't they have thought of any other protagonists?  Why does it have to be Juliette?  Why are they so silent on Adalind?  She is a hexenbiest and supposed to be vindictive.  She is so out of character from season 4, if I may say so.  I don't believe motherhood changed her.  She was originally a mean hexenbiest.  Just like her mother.  That's why she sold her baby, right?  Because she had no conscience.  Being not human, I don't think she would suddenly develop human feelings.  Even if her baby got lost.  She sold the baby already, so what's the deal?  Her mother was one mean hexenbiest.  So I believe it would have been more in character for her to be the vindictive hexenbiest, not turn Juliette into one.  That's why I don't understand the sudden turn.  Suddenly, Adalind is so quiet.  Like there is a conspiracy among the writers.  Or did the writers change?  And somebody who is friends with the actor playing Adalind is the lead writer now so they want to cast Juliette as the villainess?  It's something I couldnt understand.  And if something couldnt be explained to me, I'm thinking either there's a hex being done or else, there is a conspiracy somewhere.  When I'm not sure, I'm all for the conspiracy theory.  Hahaha

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    • I see the whole Eve storyline as the writers wanting to jump on the super action figure  bandwagon. When they tried putting Nick in the super hero role it did not work. Adalind  did not make a good action figure either. When they invented Trubel we saw the first attempt at the action figure character.  To me if they had made her the HW Trubel instead of the Grimm in training I don't think they would have needed Eve.  With all the complaints about Eve. They pulled of the action figure character really well. Not only did they give her a costume that Bitsie was able to make believable. They created action scenes that show cased her powers. From the opening car doors, to doing mental push up.  

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    • Toni090602 wrote: Juliette is not a horrible human witch.  She is just a confused one who had no one to turn to.  She could not turn to her friends because she blames them.  Frankly, if it happened to you, won't you?  Everything that happened to her from the time they met Adalind, can all be traced back to Adalind.  That's why I don't have any sympathy for Adalind.  Just imagine your life turned upside down because of a witch, and Adalind did bad things to them several times with malicious intent.  You may react the same way Juliette did.  That's human nature.  Even if I am Juliette, I so like to kill Adalind with my bare hands.  But no, I just close the video when the urge is so much.  Thus, I can't finish episodes without first watching something that will psych me up to watch the balance of the videos.  It is taking me so long to finish each season because I am so angry at the writers for picking on Juliette.

      Couldn't they have thought of any other protagonists?  Why does it have to be Juliette?  Why are they so silent on Adalind?  She is a hexenbiest and supposed to be vindictive.  She is so out of character from season 4, if I may say so.  I don't believe motherhood changed her.  She was originally a mean hexenbiest.  Just like her mother.  That's why she sold her baby, right?  Because she had no conscience.  Being not human, I don't think she would suddenly develop human feelings.  Even if her baby got lost.  She sold the baby already, so what's the deal?  Her mother was one mean hexenbiest.  So I believe it would have been more in character for her to be the vindictive hexenbiest, not turn Juliette into one.  That's why I don't understand the sudden turn.  Suddenly, Adalind is so quiet.  Like there is a conspiracy among the writers.  Or did the writers change?  And somebody who is friends with the actor playing Adalind is the lead writer now so they want to cast Juliette as the villainess?  It's something I couldnt understand.  And if something couldnt be explained to me, I'm thinking either there's a hex being done or else, there is a conspiracy somewhere.  When I'm not sure, I'm all for the conspiracy theory.  Hahaha

      I'm sorry to tell you that even the meanest person can change for their children because they love them. THAT my friend, is a mother for you. Don't underestimate a mother's love.

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    • To be honest, I'm a Nadalind shipper and yes both Nick and Adalind did horrible things to each other, but Adalind never got Nick's mom killed, that's on Juliette for trying to steal Diana for the Royals. Diana will always remember the night Kelly was killed and Juliette's role in it, that's why she feels she should protect her mom and baby brother, if only she can accept Nick in her life after all, she was raised by his mom before she died. Adalind is a great mother to both Diana and Kelly and would do anything to protect them. I can't wait to see the scenes between Nick, Adalind, Diana and little Kelly!

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    • 49.97.101.138 wrote:

      I'm sorry to tell you that even the meanest person can change for their children because they love them. THAT my friend, is a mother for you. Don't underestimate a mother's love.


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    • 108.29.192.245 wrote:
      49.97.101.138 wrote:

      I'm sorry to tell you that even the meanest person can change for their children because they love them. THAT my friend, is a mother for you. Don't underestimate a mother's love.

      Research supports that becoming a mother changes a women's brain.

      A first-of-its-kind study has revealed that the architecture of women’s brains changes strikingly during their first pregnancies, in ways that last for at least 2 years. In particular, gray matter shrinks in areas involved in processing and responding to social signals. This may mean that new mothers’ brains are more efficiently wired in areas that allow them, for instance, to respond to their infant’s needs or to detect threatening people in their environments. The changes correlated with standard tests of a mother’s attachment to her infant—and they occurred whether a woman conceived naturally or using in vitro fertilization.

      http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/12/pregnancy-can-resculpt-women-s-brains-2-years


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    • David Giuntoli says Nick loves all three but his son Kelly the most. 

      MaryLikesGrimm

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    • Sorry, my point was poeple can love more than one person and that includes Nick. 

      DG can lie too.

      MaryLikesGrimm

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    • I was rewatching Grimm from season one and I think that Adalind and Nick were fated. They were each others first (First Hexenbiest and Grimm) they both took each others powers away through physical contact, the begining of the 3rd season while Adalind was geting her old powers back, Nick was gaining new ones, on episode 17 of the 3rd season just when Nick was going to propose to Juliette again his mother brings in Adalind. (I also like to point out that Adalind has childern of two men who drank a potion that made them of pure heart)

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    • G&K did leave that idea in the show. Adalind slept with Nick as Juliette the day of Rosalee and Monroe webbing. Nick and Juliette was going to talk about marragie again after that wedding. 

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    • 108.29.192.245 wrote:
      G&K did leave that idea in the show. Adalind slept with Nick as Juliette the day of Rosalee and Monroe webbing. Nick and Juliette was going to talk about marragie again after that wedding. 

      Too late for that! Because, it looks like THAT'S never gonna happen!

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    • I just got to say... I don't particularly like Juliette anymore, BUT it is NOT her fault she became like this. To be honest, I blame Nick a lot. I think he has a big part in all this. Juliette loved Nick so much she sacrefised herself over and over for him. Putting hai needs first, over and over. To me, that shows real love. I didn't quite get the feeling Nick appreciated Juliette anymore at the end of there relationship and started neglecting her. If Nick's love for Juliette is also true, he would accepted her as an hexenbiest. Would have asked her how she felt, taken the time to listen to her and stick with her to the end! He wanted to marry her... That is until death does part you, not when **** gets rough. And it takes a lot of effort to make it work. I never got the feeling he was willing to really do that. Nick is a hero. He makes that his first priority and we all love him for it. But we cannot blame Juliette for how their relationship ended up. He should have made her his first priority more often. Everyone needs time and love.


      Edit: Please watch your language in the discussion threads, or they'll be closed.

      -Grimmaniac

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    • Also, I HATE the idea of Nick and Adelind together. But... They both are really independent people and would be fine with having their own lives as a priority and a family life as a second. It would be scrued up!!! BUT it could work. If that ever happens, I'll stop watching though. Juliette is much more interesting. Especially if she gets her Juliette personality back in combination with Eves fierceness!!

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    • It asstounds me how people suddenly love Adelimd and hate Juliette. It teaches me that you can be a horrible person and become a better one and everyone will forgive and forget. But if it's the other way around, everyone jumps ship. People seem to forget that Adelind is the one person that started all that went wrong. I am sorry, but I cannot forgive that easily. I would not trust her, let alone start a relationship.

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    • You are too presumptuous about when or why people hated Juliette. As far as I am aware, Juliette has never been a fan favourite even when things between her and Nick were going well and Adalind was all the way in europe. I know I didn't like her from S1 and hoped she would leave Nick after she got her memory back. I didn't believe they were suited to each other. Nick's Grimm was a dividing line between them in some form or another, whether it was Nick's deception or Juliette sucking it up and contending with something she actually disliked deep down inside. They were simply going in two different direction emotionally as seen when she didn't want him to get his abilities back and nick did.

      I do believe they loved each other, it just wasn't enough because they had different ideals and couldn't bridge the gap. Juliette eventully helped Nick become a grimm again but not because he wanted it and had felt incomplete, she did because Monroe was in danger and could have veen killed and they all thought nick as a grimm would save the day. Nick didnt ask her to do it, she offered and told him he had to be a grimm again.

      Nick reacted not so lovingly to her becoming a hexenbeist but he was in shock and had to adjust to the change, including knowing that it couldn't be reversed. Nick never set stopped loving Juliette not even at the end when she tried to kill him after betraying his mother. His mistake was trying to fix the hexenbiest change in her and hold on to human Juliette and thinking he could get her back until Henrietta told him it was permanent. He told her that he would learn to accept her as what she had become but walked away from him not the other way round.

      Juliette was the one who got angry at him for trying to keep anything from happening to Adalind's baby. She took that one gesture as him chosing Adalind over her which was the case. Nick didn't even like Adalind at that time, in fact he hated her but she was telling him that she was pregnant with his baby, juliette was willing to sacrifice the baby as long as she got to kill Adalind. No matter what, Nick couldn't stand aside and let it happen if he really was the father of that baby. Juliette overrracted and chose to stew in her misplaced anger at Nick even though he was trying to find a way to help her and stay together.

      I think you are also wrong about nick and Adalind beibg independent. From the very beginning of the show nick wanted to to marry and possibly start a family. His childhood is what informed his desire for family. Once adalind had diana, she wanted to be a better person for her children and give them a life she never had, she fell in love with nick and suddenly she, him and kelly were like a family and wanted to hold on to that. They both did.

      The difference between Nick/Juliette and Nick/Adalind is that adalind could relate to the wesen world in such that she never held it against him when he did his grimm thing. She accepted his place in that world because she was already a part of that world. When nick lost his grimm, he felt like abpart of him was missing, adalind had been through the exact same thing when nick took her powers away. Adalind didn't grow to resent Nick's grimm as juliette did in S4.

      Nick starting and continuing a relationship with adalind the hexenbiest proves he would have done it with juliette. He told juliette he would accept her the same way she accepted his grimm but juliette didn't give him the time. She had two whole seasons to accept him for what he was, she didnt even give Nick two epidodes to accept her for what she was before branding him her enemy.

      Adalind was a favourite with some fans from the moment nick saw her. I became her fan when she gave birth to diana. I liked seeing her try to be a better person not because of a man, but because of the new found love for her daughter. For years she was selfish, childish, she was a terrible person willing to sell her own baby and suddenly she realised she made a mistake. That made me like her. She regretted her actions and i guess you can say she paid for her selfishness when she lost diana. I love that by the time they were reunited, adalind was a completely changed woman, nothing at all like the adalind from s1 through S3. There are good people and bad people in the world however, not every horrible person stays horrible, some of them do change their ways and become good, just as some good people can become bad. That's how it is in real life.

      Adalind did't start everything, that was sean who sent her after Aunt Marie and Hank. When things didn't go the way he planned, he abandoned her and that is what got everthing rolling. You can't only blame adalind, you must blame Sean. He started everything. He sent her against nick. Nick took her powers away, she had diana to get them back. And you may as well blame Nick. He and his mother took diana away even though adalind was willing to disappear from their lives with her daughter but they kidnapped Diana and with Sean, told Adalind Viktor had her. Viktor told Adalind to take Nick's abilities if she wanted to see her daughter again he told her because Nick had taken her powers away first and that's the only way a grimm can lose his abilieties. Juliette performed the spell to make nick a grimm again, nobody made her do it.

      Adalind is guilty of every bad thing she did on the show and hating her character is understandable, however, she isn't the only one that did bad things on the show. Even nick, the show's hero did bad things, so nobody is perfect.

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    • i think that juilette and nick are a perfect match and i believe that they get back together when i watch the show i can see the love in their eyes as if its real (it is they are actually married).

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    • I prefer Nick's relationship with Adalind. When Adalind tried to kill Aunt Marie it was at the behest of Renard  under the insistance of her mother. When she tried to kill Hank, again, it was under Renard's orders. When Adalind lost her Hexenbiest, Renard whom she loved at that point and her own mother threw her away like so much garbage so she got her revenge on Nick by making Juliette forget him and got her revenge on Renard at the same time. At first she may have intended to sell her child to regain her Hexenbiest but after bearing Diana she found that she could not go through with it and wanted to raise her herself. She wanted to be a good mother. However, because Diana was an extremely powerful being and due to their past experiences with Adalind combined with the fact that the Royals wanted Diana as well, Nick and co. kidnapped Diana and gave her to his own mother to raise. When Adalind came to them in desperation they refused her, concealed the facts from her and lied to her about the whereabouts of her child. This meant that the Royals had something to hold over her, to make her a pawn yet again. She thought that the Royals had Diana and that the only way to see her daughter again was to do as they asked and take away Nick's Grimm. She did it because she was desperate and no one was willing to help her. You should never underestimate a mother's love and protective instincts. From Adalind's point of view, Nick was between her and her baby, so she took him out in order to get to her child. This is not her being selfish. This is her loving her child and wanting to be with her to take care of her. Juliette becoming a Hexenbiest was an unintended side affect. She certainly didn't know it was possible, so how can you blame her for it. And most importantly, when Adalind tried to hurt Nick and co. she owed them nothing. She did not have their trust, their love, their friendship, she owed them no loyalty, they were her enemy. And when she does owe Nick and co. these things, when she does have these things, she does not destroy it, she does not betray them. She is far more solid in her resolve, far more trustworthy than Juliette ever was when it really matters.

      Juliette, on the other hand, went completely off the rails and had one huge temper tantrum about becoming a Hexenbiest. She had, had some time to come to terms with what she was when she told Nick which was a huge shock to him (though admittedly he could have handled it better) and after a day she expects him to be totally fine with what she is and tells him to kiss her as a Hexenbiest to prove that he can be with her without giving him any time to get used to her as she is now when she isn't even okay with it herself. The fact that he can have a good healthy relationship with Adalind in the end is proof that, had she given him an adequate amount of time to come to terms with it, Juliette being a Hexenbiest was an obstacle he could have gotten over. She doesn't give him that chance. She had their trust, their love, all they wanted to do was help her and she betrayed them in the worst possible way. She did four completely unforgivable things. First she burned the trailer, second, she tries to kill Monroe, third she succeeds in getting Nick's mother killed and let's not forget that she tried to kill Nick. How can any of you forgive her for these things? How can you give her a pass for this when the choice was entirely her own? The Hexenbiest did not take over, it is not an entirely seperate entity. She betrayed those closest to her, those who loved her. Behaviour such as hers has no excuse, no reason behind it that would make it in any way, okay.

      And that is why Nick x Adalind is so much better than Nick x Juliette, and why Adalind is better than Juliette overall. Because when they have Adalind's love and loyalty she does not betray them, she does everything she can to keep them safe, she is worthy of their trust. She only turned on Renard after he betrayed her. But the moment things start to get hard for Juliette, the moment she becomes something she doesn't like, she betrays all those closest to her, she even actively tries to end them. She is unworthy. She is despicable. She is a traitor.

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    • Juliet is not a redemable character. I think Adalind coming to good side is much better story than Julliette. 

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    • Just finished watching, and wow! what an end. But still I cannot get over the fact that Nick belongs with Juliette/Eve. At first I though they made her a crazy Hexenbeast to let the actress go, but since Elizabeth was still on board their separation made zero sense to me. Why ruin something so good, you worked so hard over four seasons to build? I know a lot of us here say they weren't good for each other, but the truth is Juliette eventually did want him to get his powers back, and for me the only dividing line between them was the fact he can't keep Juliette safe, and she knew that while she loves him to the buttom of her heart she is never safe. Quite franckly no one without extreme special powers is ever safe next to Nick. But, if you went so far as making her wessen, and of the most powerfull kind - then just let them be together, and finally get married.

      And you know what, being a good sane person who suddenly became this awful creature can break a persons mentality, so if Adalind is excused for being a bitch for 4 seasons knowing fully well what she's doing I think we can forgive Juliette being a crazy Wessen for a while to.


      Oh well..at least they're together in real life.

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    • I never thought Nick stopped loving Juliette when she become a hexenbeast, when she revealed she was one, I think the shock and he felt guilt that it was because he couldn’t walk away and he blames himself. Now Adalind did some terrible things but it was always someone else telling her what to do. This was the world she was brought up in (no excuse but it was her normal). Whereas Juliette was brought up human. And I believe being a hexenbeast changed her. At the end of the day it was her call on getting nicks Mum killed. Even if nick could forgive her, you could never go back to a healthy relationship. I actually loved the character development and how the story progressed with nick and Adalind got together.

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    • 100% the love for Adanlind and Kelly. Juliette destroyed any true love that was there when she had a hand in killing his mother, destorying his Aunt's trailer and leading Kelly into a trap.

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    • Even tho Adeline and Nick saying I love you is a bit forced and maybe Adeline said it out of her respect admiration for Nick but I don't think they have true love yet and way writers did it was forced most likely to wrap up the series. But plot wise it makes sense for Adalind to end up with Nick and not have a normal fairy tale happy ever after story.

      We can tell juliette and Nick still care for each other but juliette abandoned her old self to be eve and Nick thinks juliette doesn't exist anymore.

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    • I have to totally disagree with the above statment, Adalind saying I love you in 5x12 felt a bit rushed as they had only been living together for about 6 months at the point. But to say nick and Adalind saying I love you towards the end of the series is rushed is just ridiculous, they had been living together and sleeping in the same bed for about 2 years at that point it would be ridiculous to not have them say I love you at that point. Plus in the whole series nick is the only Man Adalind has ever admitted out loud to loving, so her relationship to nick is a pretty big deal for her. Plus she told Nick she loved him at least 4 times in the series not just once so I really don’t understand how you found the I love you between Nick and Adalind that surprising.

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    • Are you sure it's 2 years with kelly he cant crawl or seems to have learned any words yet. I can get why Adalind would say I love you to Nick besides the fear of never seeing him again he's the first good guy seems to have dealt with that hasn't used her or mistreated her in anyway. Also nick has every reason to hate her but he treats her really good father and person in general so it's not too mysterious why Adalind would fall in love with Nick.

      I just don't see why nick would do the same nick does tell monroe he's starting to see Adalind in new light and might be developing feelings for her. But nicks not in best emotional place and still shows signs for feelings for juliette and only said I love you to Adalind when things looked like it was over. I'm just not sure if nicks love for Adalind is genuine yet. I can get nick starting to respect Adalind as a person and mother and they've gotten intimate with each other a couple times but both nick and Adalind are in a real emotional state. Nick sayinh i love you to adalind wasnt surprising, to me nick saying I love you to Adalind was heat of the moment thing. There's many times as people we're in a emotional state and say I love you to that person doesn't make that love true. Also with the true juliette slowly coming back and her still having feelings for Nick will make things confusing for him.

      I do prefer nick and Adalind plot wise from one aspect they're similar both having absent parents and giving they're child the parents they never had, but besides that nicks been changing relationships with grimms and vvesens so it's pretty meaningful he falls in love with a hexenbeast who are naturally antagonistic to each other as we see for the majority of the series. And specifically nick and adalind having a very antogonistic telationship both being responsible with alot of the bad in their lives. But as far as the execution in the story I personally don't find nicks and Adalind love believable I can get having feelings for each other but if I was in nicks shoes I would be questioning is this true love they never went on a date to get to know each other. It would be nice to see nick and adalind be boyfriend and girlfriend first and get to know each other in a romantic level actually building a relationship. Also give the nick and juliette thing closure so both can truly move on and see why nick and adalind are better for each other than nick and juliette. We see fate play apart in the end of grimm it would be good to see nick and adalind were fated to be with each other something to legitamaize their relationship.

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    • @toni090602: its not a strange phenomon that when a mom puts her baby uo for adoption she has cold feat when its born. Its true adalind just saw diana as a means to get her powers back but her motherly instincts kicked in when shes born.

      And we cant hold it against adalind or juliette what they did as hexenbeasts we know it corrupts your mental state. When juliette was slowly becoming a hexenbeast she had a dream killing rosalie and we learn from monroe being a vvesen in general you have dark impulses you have to learn to control.

      @chefmaddox98: i agree nick and adalind are fated, it would be nice if the writers showed how things would turn out if nick wasnt a grimm and adalind and juliette were never hexenbeasts. I dont think the nick and juliette relstionship would work because juliette found the world of vvesens interesting but hated the drama that came from it even rosalie wanted to get away from nick for the sake of her kids. And if nick was a cop she might not be able to deal with that either. If the writers showed nick and juliette would of never worked thats a nice way to close the book on their relationship.

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    • It’s definitely almost two years old, Kelly was born a few days after the season 4 finale which takes place in in may of 2015 the series finale is in March of 2017. The main reason we didn’t see Kelly talk is beacuse the show just used him as a plot device or prop a lot of times. But if you look at Kelly in his car seat at the end of the show when nick comes through the mirror in the series finale he clearly looks like he’s nearly a toddler. Also a lot of the child actors who played him in lat season 6 were 2 years old or almost 2 years old. Grimm timeline is very strange a lot of times and hard to keep up with because the season finale and the next season premier are often only minutes apart in the show timeline, but from the timelines I’ve seen on this site it points to Kelly being at least almost 2 years old. If I had to guess he would be 1 year 9 months or 10 old by the series finale and at the very least he is 1 year 6 months old.

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    • Also I agree nick still has strong feelings for Juliette as in he deeply cares for her, but I seen zero romantic feelings for Juliette from nick in season 6. Infact I see nick running after Juliette in the mirror and part of his greviving for her in the series finale as deep guilt more than anything, he believes Juliette wouldn’t be in the crazy situations she been in without being with him in the first place. Nick believes he is responsible for ruining Juliette’s life and feels deep guilt. He also feels guilty about his love for Adalind after all this is the woman who ruined his and Juliette’s life, but even Eve senses Nicks love for Adalind in season 6 when she says you love Adalind and he responds why are you asking she says, I’m not I can feel it.

      I was actually surprised just how little romantic slash sexual tension there was between the two in season 6. Nick barely give Juliette a second glance when she was running around his bathroom in nothing but a towel in 6x07, he also ran directly to Adalind once the love spell had wore off in 6x07. I actually expected nick to have more romantic feelings in season 6 for Juliette than he did if anything Juliette probably longed for Nick more than he longed for her. infact Juliette looked deeply hurt when she overheard nick say to Adalind I thought I’d go crazy without you, see also told Adalind while under the love spell that Adalind stole nick from her and baby Kelly should have been hers.

      But you do make some fair points and I agree that Nicks feelings for Adalind are more complicated and maybe slightly less strong than hers are for him but Nick showed just how much he cared for Adalind in the series finale, he told his mother he wanted Adalind Kelly and Diania back by name along with the rest of his friends, and in the finale scene before the epilogue he kisses Adalind passionately as soon as he comes through the mirror, checks her ring finger and can’t keep his hands or eyes off her even when he hugs Eve he turns around and touches Adalind agian. They then hug in the middle of the rooom and the gang comes in for a group hug in and around Nick and Adalind hugging.

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    • Saying ILY in S5 was definitely rushed and as emotional as Adalind was, it was still very too soon and they were only just getting to know one another in their new circumstance that didn't involve hurting one another, hence Nick never reciprocated and that was the right call on Nick's behalf. I would not have expected him to act differently. Nick couldn't articulate his feelings for Adalind when Monroe asked him but he certainly felt something for her. Honestly, I have always believed he found her attractive (their first scene together) but they made the worst first impression with the whole Grimm vs Hexenbiest thing exercebated by Adalind doing Sean;s bidding in S1 and working with the Royals between s2 and S4. Whatever he felt in S5, I believe that only intensified when he "lost" her to Renard and his rigged mayoral campaign. You never know what you've got until its gone and all that.

      The Nick in S6 is one that is much surer of his feelings for her and the moment to tell her didn't present itself for whatever reason until they faced down the possible end of the world and Nick did the exact same thing Adalind did in S5. However, him saying ILY then didn't feel as rushed or out of nowhere by comparison. Even the way he said it, it seemed like a great weight had come off his shoulders since he'd been holding on to that confession for too long and Adalind didn't even come across as surprised that he'd said probably because Nick is better at expressing himself with action than with words, lol. In all of S6, Adalind didn't act like she doubted what was between them as we saw her often in the second half of S5, where she was constantly walking on eggshells around him regarding their almost relationship.

      Was he waiting for the perfect moment to say it and it just never came? Nick has almost always been going from one crisis to another crisis since the show began. The difference between him with Juliette and him with Adalind is that he didn't meet Juliette when his life was in turmoil compared to Adalind. With the latter, it was hardly the best of time to begin a romantic relationship where they could do things the right way round like actually go on dates and all that. Their most romantic time together was hijacked by a disgruntled hotel staff bent on exacting revenge on the cop that arrested his father years ago. The oddest thing is that this would always be Nick's life, dealing with wesen crisis at the most inconvenient of times and Juliette couldn't handle the strain on their relationship as a result compared to Adalind, who was a wesen and understood even if they were from two opposing sides as Hexenbiest and Grimm. They were unconventional, this imo doesn't negate any strong feelings they had for one another. In fact they were the most unconventional couple I have ever witnessed on screen, sometimes real life works the same and doesn't follow a set script of relationship expectation. I have no problems with them being in love with one another at all. In many ways it's a tv trope of enemies turned loves but in other ways it isn't because of its execution, intentional or not (with these writer, I can't tell) and I liked that about them.

      As for whether they were fated or not, I'm of two minds. The show never explicitly said they were. However, a lot of what happened in S6 ended up hinging on what came before. I don't believe the writers planned it that way, or else they did a crappy job of it. I do think that without meaning too, the writers kept Nick and Adalind tied together in some form or another since the moment they first laid eyes on one another. I think as viewers if we want to connect the dots, it's not so hard to link everything up, it doesn't make for one tiny pretty bow but there's something there nonetheless. Like they said, they were each other's firsts, the both stripped each other of powers and come from difficult backgrounds. There was that weird vision link during S4, both Kellys, even Diana who got weirdly attached to Nick's photo hanging on his mother's chain, you get the picture, pain, shared circumstances have forced them to adapt and grow that ultimately led them to each other. I know Monroe mentions fate at the end of S6, it is the simplest way to explain everything that happened in every season leading up to the end but I also feel it's a latent hand wave from the writers to unmuddy the waters.

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    • @vandersad the reason we didn't see any romantic interactions between nick and juliette season 6 is nicks operating under the premise that that juliette is gone and that eve is a completely different person. How I understand eve is juliette wanted to abandon her emotions and her connection with her old self and decided to be a new person that's emotionless and her life purpose is completing the mission. By season 5 end juliette emotions come back and so does her feelings for Nick, at a certain point nick asks eve of it's juliette and she answers back no. So nick believes juliette is gone but in reality juliette is still there trying to repress her old emotions and when nick realizes this fact it will make his relationship with Adalind complicated.

      I don't see the finale really offering closure to these issues but we do know supposedly nick and Adalind are together still in two years.

      @a grimmster: I think nick does find Adalind naturally attractive since Adalind notes nick was staring at her even before she vvoge. And I don't doubt nick has intense feelings for her but to say it's true love I don't know, way I see it nick has loving affection for her alot having to do with her being the mother of his child but there's to many loose ends to say it's true love and if juliette is truly back you don't think he would feel conflicted in who to be with? When nick finally said he loved adalind it was in a moment of crisis if he truly loved her then why wait till then. How i see ot nicks in a very emotiomal state in his life he lost loved ones his lige and friends and child are in constant threat. I just dint tgink fir me anyways the series solifified what they have is true love yet.

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    • It’s pretty obvious to me why nick took so long to admit out loud he loved Adalind because he felt guilt for loving Adalind. Nick didn't want to admit to loving Adalind because of all the trouble they had caused to Juliette’s life. Which is why when Juliette/Eve told him quoute , You're here because of me. None of this would have ever happened to you if you hadn't met me. So you think I wanna change that? - Yes, I do.- Well, I don't. A lot of bad things happened to me when all of this started. I didn't understand it.I didn't understand it. I was scared and angry, and I did a lot of terrible things. Things I can never forgive Juliette for. But I'm not Juliette anymore, Nick. She's gone. There may be a part of me that is like her, but it is not who I am now and it's not who I'm gonna be again. I don't blame you. When we were together, I only knew a part of who you were. You only knew a part of who you were. [solemn music] None of us are who we used to be. And that's good.

      She basically allowing Nick to let go of his guilt over what happened to her thus Nick finally feels able to admit out loud to Adalind about what Eve said he felt about Adalind in 6x02 when she says you love Adalind I feel it.


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    • I think "true love" is a hollywood construct. You either love someone or you don't. I don't real life on that concept nor do I do the same for fictional characters. And even with the fairy tale premise on which this show is built, I can say "true love" played a minimal role, or rather it was nothing more than a plot point, often subverted. This show didn't folow the Disney way of happiliy ever after with the main character (Nick) getting his girl (Juliette as main love intererst for four seasons). He wasn't the prince that woke her from her curse but his blood did eventually save both Juliette and Renard as it saved Hank's life. He's the Huntsman who end up with the wicked witch. This is more in line with the original Grimm tales that what Disney has fed us for the last hundred years. 



      As I said, you either love someone or you don't and Nick had deep feelings for Adalind. It's already established that he was attracted to her in the earlier season but he wasn't in love with her. Having a son together got these two to be in the same room together witghout killing one another. For the first time they were able to see the other person and not see the enemy. When Monroe asked him if he loved her, I don't think he did. However, he framed his feelings for her around her being Kelly's mother and I think that was a convenient crutch for him, like it justified not only hating Adalind anymore but why he found her attractive. 



      As @Vandersad said, Nck felt a lot of guilt over Juliette's situation from the moment he found out she was a Hexenbiest. In S4 he tried to fix it. In S5 he buried his head in the sand because she was Eve. Then at the beginning of S6 the stick "brought her back". Nick reverted back to the same man that felt responsible for her fate but it wasn't comning from a place of love between a man a woman. It was the same guilt he felt but he wasn't the same man a before because in his heart he'd moved on. In S6 Nick still loved Juliette but he was in love with Adalind. When Juliette landed in hospital and Nick called her Juliette before rushing to see her, I think that was a legit time to show that Nick was still in love with her since they used flashbacks but the show only played up Nick's guilt by showing us the consequences of not listening to his aunt that ultimately led to his mother's death.  Nick's guilt holding him back from fully expressing his love for Adalind is more in line with what happened on the show, especially after that confrontation between Nick and Juliette in 6x11 than the idea of "true love" on a show that subverted a lot of fairy tale tropes. 



      Nick felt guilty for his life working out better than he expected with Adalind while Juliette's life continued to spural downwards because of him (according to him). He thought she wanted her old life back, undestroyed, uncomplicated, like going back to a simpler time. Juliette as Eve had better clarity of mind. Nick had found his place and had everything he basically ever wanted but with Adalind and Juliette had finally found herself. They went through a lot of pain to get to a place where their lives were truly fulfilled. Nick needed to understand that. I think he still struggled a bit but Julirtte basically set him free. I'm not a fan of the clunky dialogue because I feel a lot was still left unsaid and the focus was too one sided on Juliette and how she felt about her own actions which she continued to separate herself from. Nick unhampared by any more guilty finally spoke what was in his heart. As I said, he's better with actions than he is with words, I'm convinced Adalind knew Nick loved her, so hearing the words didn;t seem all that surprising.



      Twenty years is a long time to be with someone that you don't truly love in your heart when you have other options. These two were not beholden to one another, they could have co-parented much like Adalind and Renard. Real love for one another kept them together.

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    • I have to say that’s exactly how I saw the relationship between Nick and Adalind ,true love or not who cares it was real love that lasts at least 20 years according to the Grimm writers in the post show interviews.

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    • When i say true love i mean this is the person you want to spend the rest of your life with and no one else. I dont think nick didnt confess to adalind before out of guilt but out of confusion. Its clear both nick and juliette have feelings for each other but shes said shes supposedly moved on so nick decided to do the same. And i think by the end of the series nick got rid of his cold feat in the relstionship and decided hes going all in. To me the end of the series truly marks the begining of the relstionship of nick and adalind.

      Nicks intial commitment to adalind was due to her son and through that got to know her as a person and nick might of been attracted to adalind since the beginning. So nick definitely has affection for adalind, but unlike adalind which is pretty obvious why she would fall in love with nick hes a man shes never dealt with before he has every reason to hate her treat her bad but he puts being a good father first and goes out of his comfort to make sure she is. While i think nicks in the stage figuring out and just becsuse nick said i love you mean theyre marrying soon it took years after nick said i love you to juliette before nick proposed. I see that end of series i love you just meaning nicks gotten rid of his hesitation and really wants to try this relationship.

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    • Clearly you and I were watching totally different shows than because I saw a lot of guilt that kept nick from moving on with Adalind until the Eves speech in 6x11 allowed him to finally admit out loud his feelings for Adalind.

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    • Nick had already moved on with Adalind, even with Juliette living under his roof, he never once acted like a man still holding a candle for his ex. He didn't draw away from Adalind, in fact he grew closer. He still cared deeply for Juliette's wellbeing but there was no romatic love on his part. That was the show having it's cake and eating it as well. Juliette knew Nick's heart was already elsewhere (as soon as 6x02) and he tried to play it down because not too long ago they were the ones together with the intention to marry and eventually start a family. He felt awkward about her candid expression of something he'd been hiding within himself and it's reflected again when the gang was at the loft and Monroe made that faux pas comment about N/J and you can see Nick's discomfort rearing its head again. Nick was stuck between allowing himself to be happy when confronted with Juliette's destroyed life almost constantly. How can he truly embrace his new life, no holds barred when her life is basically in ruins?

      You are right about his confusion for what he felt for Adalind, perhaps he couldn't reconcile the reality of loving someone that he once hated oh so very much. I don't know how any of us could handle it if we were in his shoes. We saw a lot of that confusion in S5 from his hesitation but S6 did away with most of it, not all obviously or else we wouldn't be discussion this issue right now. When he healed Eve with the stick and saw Juliette had returned, he still ran to the mansion and kissed Adalind passionately. He wanted her back at the beginning of S6 as much, if not more so at the end of S6 after Zerstörer had killed her.

      Something clearly held Nick back and I don't think it's the intensity (or lack thereof) of his feelings for Adalind. The show never once showed him hesitating being with Adalind at all in S6. The show did however bring back his guilt and pointed it out in the dialogue and flashbacks. Nick fell in love with Adalind against his better judgement. His commitment to taking care of his son and by extension, Adalind, didn't need to turn romantic and yet it did. In a twist of sorts, I'd go so far as to say that Nick felt more passionately for Adalind in S6 than she did. I cannot agree that his feelings for Adalind are as placid as claimed. Not expressing his feelings as we viewers may expect (it's fiction television after all) doesn't mean he didn't love her as much as she loved him. I don't believe you can box love in so simplistic a concept. It's already established on the show that Nick was essentially a closed off individual because of his background that even when he met Juliette, it took him a while to loosen up. Falling in love with Adalind could not have been be easy because of everything that had happened before. He was already in love with Adalind, Juliette's speech just made it okay for him to move on without the baggage of his past mistakes hanging over his head every time he saw Juliette/Eve. 

      Another thing to remember is that Nick wasn't even the only one who had to move on, Juliette was in the same boat, we saw that between 6x03 and 6x05 as she was confronted with Nick's family life. She was shown to still love Nick in S6 (maybe even in S5 seeing as she threatened Adalind about hurting Nick) but she already knew he loved Adalind. We saw her nearly woge emotionally when she was in the tunnels and heard Nick tell Adalind he thought he'd go crazy with her. Diana knew that it had made Eve sad to see Nick and Adalind together but Eve decided to leave the past behind because it was painful for her and the last time she had expressed her pain, very bad things happened. Holding on to the past was both painful (for Juliette) and kept them stagnant (for Nick). It's no way to live one's life. These two had to both come to a place of acceptance of their new lives and each other's new realities and grow from thereon hence 6x11 is closer for them both.

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    • Juliette ruined her own life herself. Would have been able to continue with his work or get something new. And that sleep in the car is pure nonsense of Juliette. Would have money in the bank to pay for a hotel or would believe that Nick would persecute her for being Hexenbiest. I never saw him accept what was.Nick stayed with Adalind for the welfare of his son, an action without egoisms-how did your aunt act-.it's true that it would be weird for him to be with Adalind with whom he fought.I also think that he was very closed due to the loss of his parents, not so expressive to show what he felt.I do not think he would have told you about Ariel's kiss-some things it is better not to tell the couple-and not the suspicion about Farley/Marie-That would have been worse, because maybe she could have thought that as a human she was not worth it etc.

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    • 122.60.74.191 wrote:
      I prefer Nick's relationship with Adalind. When Adalind tried to kill Aunt Marie it was at the behest of Renard  under the insistance of her mother. When she tried to kill Hank, again, it was under Renard's orders. When Adalind lost her Hexenbiest, Renard whom she loved at that point and her own mother threw her away like so much garbage so she got her revenge on Nick by making Juliette forget him and got her revenge on Renard at the same time. At first she may have intended to sell her child to regain her Hexenbiest but after bearing Diana she found that she could not go through with it and wanted to raise her herself. She wanted to be a good mother. However, because Diana was an extremely powerful being and due to their past experiences with Adalind combined with the fact that the Royals wanted Diana as well, Nick and co. kidnapped Diana and gave her to his own mother to raise. When Adalind came to them in desperation they refused her, concealed the facts from her and lied to her about the whereabouts of her child. This meant that the Royals had something to hold over her, to make her a pawn yet again. She thought that the Royals had Diana and that the only way to see her daughter again was to do as they asked and take away Nick's Grimm. She did it because she was desperate and no one was willing to help her. You should never underestimate a mother's love and protective instincts. From Adalind's point of view, Nick was between her and her baby, so she took him out in order to get to her child. This is not her being selfish. This is her loving her child and wanting to be with her to take care of her. Juliette becoming a Hexenbiest was an unintended side affect. She certainly didn't know it was possible, so how can you blame her for it. And most importantly, when Adalind tried to hurt Nick and co. she owed them nothing. She did not have their trust, their love, their friendship, she owed them no loyalty, they were her enemy. And when she does owe Nick and co. these things, when she does have these things, she does not destroy it, she does not betray them. She is far more solid in her resolve, far more trustworthy than Juliette ever was when it really matters.

      Juliette, on the other hand, went completely off the rails and had one huge temper tantrum about becoming a Hexenbiest. She had, had some time to come to terms with what she was when she told Nick which was a huge shock to him (though admittedly he could have handled it better) and after a day she expects him to be totally fine with what she is and tells him to kiss her as a Hexenbiest to prove that he can be with her without giving him any time to get used to her as she is now when she isn't even okay with it herself. The fact that he can have a good healthy relationship with Adalind in the end is proof that, had she given him an adequate amount of time to come to terms with it, Juliette being a Hexenbiest was an obstacle he could have gotten over. She doesn't give him that chance. She had their trust, their love, all they wanted to do was help her and she betrayed them in the worst possible way. She did four completely unforgivable things. First she burned the trailer, second, she tries to kill Monroe, third she succeeds in getting Nick's mother killed and let's not forget that she tried to kill Nick. How can any of you forgive her for these things? How can you give her a pass for this when the choice was entirely her own? The Hexenbiest did not take over, it is not an entirely seperate entity. She betrayed those closest to her, those who loved her. Behaviour such as hers has no excuse, no reason behind it that would make it in any way, okay.

      And that is why Nick x Adalind is so much better than Nick x Juliette, and why Adalind is better than Juliette overall. Because when they have Adalind's love and loyalty she does not betray them, she does everything she can to keep them safe, she is worthy of their trust. She only turned on Renard after he betrayed her. But the moment things start to get hard for Juliette, the moment she becomes something she doesn't like, she betrays all those closest to her, she even actively tries to end them. She is unworthy. She is despicable. She is a traitor.



      ​​​​​​​Are you really this daft? Every SINGLE thing that EVER happened to Juliette was Nick’s fault. I actually wanted Nick to be killed. He was heartless and he absolutely no remorse over the things that happened to Juliette. He was selfish and as long as he had a girl to stick it in he was fine. Juliette’s  anger was not displaced and yes he chose Adalind’s side over her. Trubel should have been killed as well...she was just a second rate wanna be whom JULIETTE helped by letting her stay with them. Everyone except Monroe and Rosalee betrayed JULIETTE..not the other way around.

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    • I also believe and consider that Juliette was always the most guilty and a killer by nature. Then telling Nick that she did not know what would happen-season 4 x 22-,it's another of his antics.It was not a baby to not realize what would happen also betray Kelly. Looking at Nick with the excuse that nobody understood her, why she had become a "Hexenbiest". She never understood nor understood Nick nor her friends.

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    • Personally I loved Adalind in the first few seasons, she was a great antagonist. She willingly played the pawn to other people's games and caused so much harm. Finally trying to be free once she decided to keep her baby was a good plot move, even her going back to what she knows best (being a weapon for someone else's plan because she is desperate) makes a lot of sense. But in the event of getting rid of Nick's Grimm powers she rapes him and that is the point in which she became irredeemable for me. Yes rape. Because hiding your identity to have sex with someone who normally wouldn't want to be in the same room with you otherwise is rape.

      Juliette and Nick at the beginning had a great loving relationship which eventually broke down because of a burden of secrets and mystical shenanigans. Juliette/Eve going so far off the rails felt like the writers trying to balance out Adalind trying to be a less harmful character (a sort of 'she can't be bad because the other one is badder' situation). Ultimately the Nick/Adalind stay together for the kids and fall in love plotline felt forced (and for me it felt quite icky). What really annoys me is the way the other characters re-accept Adalind so eventually a nuclear family could form. The show couldn't allow itself to be awesomely different by killing off Adalind and letting Nick and Sean platonically co-parent raise the two kids as siblings.

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    • Adalind didn’t rape nick she sexually assaulted him, by taking Juliette’s form and seducing him into bed, no one forced Nick to have sex he consented to sex, yes it’s deeply wrong he was tricked and I consider it sexual assault but she only did it to see her kidnapped daughter again. A kidnapping Nick played a major role in so for you to put the whole blame on Adalind is just total bull.

      Also your comment about Nick and Renard should have been able to raise the kids is just laughable. So you believe Adalind is unredeemable and shouldn’t be allowed to raise her own kids for her supposed rape of Nick. Adalind who was just a desperate woman willing to do anything to see her daughter is too evil to raise her own children yet you claim Renard an evil piece of garbage on the show should somehow be allowed to raise the children.

      Renards crimes Renard treated women like crap the entire series had an affair with Diania’s grandmother and her mother at the same time, he was the one who sent Adalind agianst Nick in the first place as his pawn, he was the most corrupt cop on the show even running a number of criminal rackets in season one including sending innocent drug addicts to thier deaths in the season 1 gladiator games racket, he then had the gladiator racket leader bumped off in order to cover up. He set up his own brothers murder and had kimura poisoned in police custody in his own precint, sent Adalind to kill Nicks aunt, killed his own friend Meisner after betraying him and everyone for more power with BC, joined BC a terrorist group and plotted a possible genocide with BC of all the wesen that opposed them, used his daughter as a pawn agianst Nick in early season 6, blackmailed Adalind along with BC using her children then repeatedly tried to force himself upon Adalind despite her claer disdain for him, he had Rachel’s assistant/crush murdered in season 6 after he tried blackmail Renard.

      So this guy should get to raise Diana instead of Adalind.

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    • I always laugh when people place Adalind at the top of the most irredeemable people on the show while giving Renard a pass. 

      I get not liking Adalind in a relationship with Nick because of her sexual assault on him, but I also get there were extenuating circumstance that drove her to that point and Nick and Renard played a hand in it as she rightfully called them out on it when she showed up at the precinct pregnant with Kelly. Adalind isn't an innocent flower but she isn't a vile person either ever since she decided to set her life straight for the sake of her children. And practically all the characters on the show, including Nick have done some very questionable things that paint them squarely in the bad guy light like taking Diana away from her mother and lying to her and falsifying evidence against Kenneth (framing him for the Ripper murders) and then killing him  out of vengeance as opposed to carrying out justice, either as a cop or killing him in the line of duty, anything to justify his actions and that's just two things at the top of my head that I know for a fact were wrong but we're suppost to pretend otherwise because Nick is good guy and for some reason Adalind can't be seen as redeemable and can never be as the show's bad girl even when she actually turn her life around.

      Renard became worse and vile between S5 and S6 but he's still seen in a better light than Adalind who never once waivered once she consciously decided to turn her life around...How odd.

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    • I don’t care what anyone thinks personally I’m really happy Adalind ended up with Nick because I really enjoyed thier relationship despite it being kind of creepy how they brought them togther in particular kellys conception . Personally it was the actors chemistry that drew me in to thier love story despite some terribly dodgy writing. I thought the actress really sold the fact that Adalind really loved Nick I thought she give a really believable portyal of a woman in love.

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    • I do think the actress did better to sell her relationship with Nick than Bitsie/Elizabeth did with Juliette in the four years they were in love. There was always something missing/off between those two, at least for me which explains why I didn't shed a single tear/throw a fit when they suddenly put Nick and Adalind together. I didn't expect to like her with Nick but they won me over despite their relationship having more baggage than regular couples.

      Nick and Adalind simply worked. The rivalry passion they felt at the beginning easily translated to passion of the romantic persuasion and I bought what they were selling. The tension and hesitation felt natural because of their past. I'm reminded of a line that says you can't help who you love and Nick best examplified this. He easily fell for Adalind but it's like remembering who and what she was, he hit the brakes on their burgeoning relationship only to fall madly and deeply in love because he could not help himself and as the other saying goes, you never know what you've got until it's gone (Renard "stealing" her away to make her his Stepford wife with a ready-made family). They were more in sync as a couple in barely one whole season compared to him and Juliette who, for four years, felt more like two ships in the night, missing each on so many important issues of their relationship until it blew up in their faces in the most spectacular and very tragic way.

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    • MichaelMay24 wrote:
      I can't really tell which love is the true one. Is it:

      1.) Nick's love for Adalind and their baby son?

      2.) Nick's love for Juliette?

      I don't really buy into the concept of "true love." To say there is "true love" is to imply that there is false love, and I don't think that's how love works. You either love someone or you don't. You can love people in different ways and to different degrees, but love is either present or it's not. As for Nick's relationships with Adalind and Juliette, I don't think one was "truer" than the other. He loved Juliette, and then later learned to love Adalind. His love for one doesn't invalidate his love for the other. 

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      ​​​Are you really this daft? Every SINGLE thing that EVER happened to Juliette was Nick’s fault. I actually wanted Nick to be killed. He was heartless and he absolutely no remorse over the things that happened to Juliette. He was selfish and as long as he had a girl to stick it in he was fine. Juliette’s  anger was not displaced and yes he chose Adalind’s side over her. Trubel should have been killed as well...she was just a second rate wanna be whom JULIETTE helped by letting her stay with them. Everyone except Monroe and Rosalee betrayed JULIETTE..not the other way around.

      I'm not sure we watched the same show. Nick had his faults, but he was never heartless towards Juliette. He demonstrated near saint-like patience with her when she didn't remember him. After she revealed to him that she was a hexenbiest, he assured her he would never hurt her, assumed the blame for her condition (even though he was no more at fault for it than she was; neither of them knew that would happen to her), and said he'd find a way to reverse it. When she told him it was irreversible, he refused to give up on her or their relationship. It was only when she became a real danger to other people that he accepted the idea of killing her. And in what way was Trubel a wanna be? No one betrayed Juliette, they all--Juliette included--did what they felt they had to do, and their decision had unforeseen consequences. 

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    • Well for me "Nick and Juliette" had started crumbling the moment that Nick first saw Adalind and she woged in front of him. That also served as a foreshadow of what will be the endgame of the series. Also, in my opinion why I think that "Nick and Adalind" were truly the ones meant to be was that Adalind sucks at trying to hurt Nick. She first tried to kill Hank and then erased Juliette's memories and even when she took his Grimm powers, all of those were reversable and they've been reversed. However, when Juliette hurt Nick, it was something that even the purest of soul might find unforgivable. She endangered their friends, tried to kill his unborn son, cheated on him, and have his mother killed all at once and she succeeded. What more sign one could ask to specify that they are not meant to be.

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    • Looking back at the show I noticed something I can't tell whether it was intentioanl or not. For the first four seasons of following Nick's story as a newly minted grimm with his wesen friends and perpetually endangered live-in girlfriend, we were also following Adalind's story. We watched her blindly follow orders from people she thought cared for her who ended abandoning her, we watched her lose her powers and desperately seek them back, fall in love with her unborn child, lose that child, do everything she could to get that child back, fall pregnant again and fall in love with the father/hero of the show. It's almost like Grimm was about her journey as much as it was Nick's, at least more so than all the other supporting casts include those who were closest to Nick like Monroe and Juliette who barely got developed beyond being used as a prop for Nick to save the day. It's not surprising then that Nick and Adalind do end up together and are actually happy together after all that they went through.

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      Looking back at the show I noticed something I can't tell whether it was intentioanl or not. For the first four seasons of following Nick's story as a newly minted grimm with his wesen friends and perpetually endangered live-in girlfriend, we were also following Adalind's story. We watched her blindly follow orders from people she thought cared for her who ended abandoning her, we watched her lose her powers and desperately seek them back, fall in love with her unborn child, lose that child, do everything she could to get that child back, fall pregnant again and fall in love with the father/hero of the show. It's almost like Grimm was about her journey as much as it was Nick's, at least more so than all the other supporting casts include those who were closest to Nick like Monroe and Juliette who barely got developed beyond being used as a prop for Nick to save the day. It's not surprising then that Nick and Adalind do end up together and are actually happy together after all that they went through.

      That actually make sense. You know, when I first watch Grimm, it was during the 3rd Season and it were the episodes after Nick met Monroe's parents. I don't know much about Nick back then except that his the Hero of the show. I also don't know a thing about Adalind (Hell, I don't even know her name back then) and her past interactions with Nick. However, when I watch those episodes without any ideas of what happened during Season 1 and 2 and the earlier episodes of Season 3, it feels like the story was split between what's happening on Nick's side and what's going on from Adalind's side that it gave me an impression that this story is about those two than just about Nick.

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    • Wow I have watched all episodes 5 times now and you can clearly see in there eyes and face expressions Nick and Eve juliet. Adelind has done so much to them tricking them trapping Nick. In season 6 at the end he called Eve he was going to tell her he loved her. He loved Adelind because he thinks she is the mother to Kelly but he is truly in love with Eve. I would love a Spinn off where it turns out Kelly is Eve's son because Adalind was juliet when she slept with him. Rosaly a really great friend stuck up for Eve. I love Eve's powers want to see a lot more

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    • Between S1 and S4 Nick loved Juliette and only her. However, Nick may have loved Juliette/Eve but by the end of the show, he was in love with Adalind. I know some argue against the probability of this but some things in life aren't about how you start, it's about how you finish. By season 4 Nick and Juliette were pushed to the extreme exposing certain truths about who and what they were to themselves and to one another. With or without Adalind, these two would have broken up regardless. Circumstances were pushing them further and further apart. 

      Hard as it may be to believe but Adalind didn't trap Nick when they somehow ended up together. That didn't happen on the show. Nick falling for Adalind wasn't beyond his capacity to stop it at any given time after finding out he was Kelly's father. He was the one that invited Adalind to stay with him. He was attracted to her and told her so. When Eve returned, he didn't turn Adalind out so he and "Juliette" could pick up where they left off. When Adalind went to live with Sean, he went after her and more than once he confessed to wanting Adalind back in his life, first to Adalind, then to Sean and lastly to his mother and aunt. Nick was the furthest thing from trapped when he had plenty of occasions to be free of Adalind. Just because they shared Kelly didn't mean they had to be together. Adalind and Sean certainly weren't and they shared Diana. Nick could have worked out a custody agreement with her, if that was what he only wanted. Adalind wouldn't have objected. She didn't expect much from Nick as it was. I mean why saddle with the woman you despised for YEARS unless you actually truly love her?

      I don't remember Nick (calling) wanting to tell Eve he loved her at all in S5 and certainly not in S6. He may have called Eve Juliette when she landed in hospital and had felt terrible for bringing so much pain and suffering in her life ever since he became a Grimm and he thought she wanted to go back in time and live a normal/problem-free life (re:Grimm-free) when they were in the mirror world. He thought she was miserable as a hexenbiest and he had blamed himself because he's a grimm and remaking him one had cost her her everything. When she lost her abilities, they all thought it would make her happy but they were all wrong. Things change. Feelings change.

      Nick has thought about his feelings for Adalind since S5. He may have thought he didn't feel too deeply for her separate from her being Kelly's mother but the first episode of S6 showed other wise. He'd found happiness with Adalind and Eve sensed he in fact loved her but he couldn't truly move on with his life because of the deep guilt and responsibility he felt over Juliette. In the hospital he had the flashback to a warning given by his aunt. Nick had ignored that warning and we know what it lead to. Juliette became a hexenbiest and his mother was murdered as a result. Nick carried a lot of guilt and Eve finally released him from his guilt and misplaced obligation to always protect her and told him so. (I think it's what made her snap in the first place. Nick had switched to fixing Juliette's hexenbiest instead of accepting their new reality. Nick is naturally a protector and Juliette felt abandoned as he focused on correcting a problem he helped to create and no matter the love between the two, the connection was severed.) He would always care for her and instinctively want to protect her as he'd always done for years but things had changed for him as they did for her.  He may have thought she wanted to go back in to a simpler time when none of the terrible things had happened because he thought it was what would make her happy but she set him straight. They couldn't go back.

      I think people also forget that in S6 we saw that Eve still had residual feelings for Nick but she saw that their circumstances had changed, she accepted it. Both of them had to let the past go and moved on with their lives. Juliette had found contentment and purpose as Eve and Nick had contentment in the family he's basically longed for in the form Adalind (the woman he finally allowed himself to love without the past or his grimm life hanging over his head) and the the kids.

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    • THE Show made it clear that the only woman Nick wanted nick romantically in season 6 was Adalind, in the opening of season 6 he literally goes rushing into her arms at the mansion and gives her the most possiante kiss I’ve seen him give anyone on the show, I don’t even recall him kissing Juliette like that. Then Eve herself even senses Nicks love in 6x02 when she says you love Adalind. Also in the final episode of season 6 he tells his mother and aunt he wants Adalind back, if he was so in love with Eve as you claim why didn’t he say her name to kelly and Marie instead of Adalinds.

      Nick tells Adalind in 5x12 he loves her and lovingly removes the cursed ring while mourning death and is going to try and revive her first with the staff before the staff dragged him back through the mirror. Adalind is also the first person Nick embraces as he comes through the mirror also the final scene before the epilogue is them being emaberced by thier friends while they are passionately hugging in the middle of the room.

      I get it you think Nick should have ended up with Juliette/ Eve and that’s fine we are each entitled to are own opinions, but the showruunners decided to have Nick be in love with Adalind and not Eve and made that claer on screen you can deny that until your blue in the face but it doesn’t change show canon.

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    • Another thing, (I'm not sure whether I misinterpreted the previous post about Adalind trapping Nick) Nick never once called Eve/Juliette for anything in S5 or S6. Before Black Claw's destruction, she was the one always calling him to give an update. Nick never called her. He also threw shade at her that Kelly wasn't her son, this is after Adalind left the loft. She was trying to tell him not to do anything rash and Nick threw that in her face. I know there's some people who imagine Kelly is actually Juliette's but the show never once entertained the idea not even  in the fleeting thought when Adalind apologised to Nick for pretending to be Juliette. The writers thought they were being smart in using the actress' real life pregnancy and specifically worked it into the show to change things up. They wanted Adalind to have a child with Nick. Not everyone accepts this but it is what it is. 

      We can't change what happened on the show. Nick still cared for Juliette/Eve but the simple fact is by the end of S5, he had fallen in love with Adalind. And in S6 he showed it publically and finally expressed it verbally. I personally believe when Nick said the words, Adalind already knew it to be true even though she was hearing the words for the first time. Plus Nick isn't so fickle as to say something and not actually mean it. In the end, Adalind was the woman he wanted to spend the rest of his life with and he did, judging by the epilogue with grown up Diana and Kelly.

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    • No if eve have any kind of sign if love for him he would have told her he loved her. Adelind mother if his child he even said that. He also keeps having flash backs of juliet. The chemistry is far greater with Juliet eve than Adalind. I'm watching all again on netflex this weekend. Just wish I could show you the love in his eyes and actions with Eve juliet.

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    • You sure you watched all the end go back and watch. Eve never gave him the chance to love her. Yes again he loved Adalind but was in love with Juliet eve. He tries to tell her. And every time he thought she died he was in bits. Eve started to get feelings back. Diana ask her if her belly hurt for Nick, but she could feel Nick loved Adelind and stayed quite. There's lots if twists you need to look at chemistry between them. It was Adalind that told the royals about his mum and Eve so I blame her.

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    • If Nick wants to run off with Adelind and Captain Renards daughter let him. No one has mentioned the love they had Adalind and Renard. Then have a Spinn off with Eve her powers and the resistance with Munroe Rosaly and triplets and Renard.

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    • What utter nonsense, the shows canon has Nick telling Adalind he loves her 5x12 end of story. He also literally begs aunt Marie and his mom for to let him hand over the stick to get Adalind and his family back. He passionately kisses Adalind as soon as he comes back through the mirror and just gives Eve a hug.

      As for Renard, Adalind hasn’t even appeared to have anything approaching romantic feelings for him since season 4, also Adalind hated his guts for the past two seasons even when forced by Diana and BC she refused to share his bed and even threatened to kill him if he hurt Nick. Also even though Adalind cared deeply for Renard in season 1 before he beytrayed her Nick is the only man she has ever told she loved on the show.

      Also the writers confirmed in several interviews after the show that Nick and Eve are just close friends and Nick and Adalind are still togther in the epilogue as are Monroe and Rosalee.



      Below are snipets of the interviews with the show runners/ writers.


      Throughout this last season it kind of felt like Eve was switching back into Juliette mode, and that at some point she was going to proclaim her love to Nick, and try to get him back. Was that ever a possibility?

      JK: Not in our minds. In other people's minds, it was definitely a possibility. We shot where she felt the strength of being a hexenbiest, all that power. She went from bad to good. But she didn't want to give up that purpose.

      DG: It wasn't like she was converting; she was coalescing in this last season. In the third to last episode [she and Nick] had a big scene in that other place/dimension, and she spells out that she wouldn't go back if she could. They both did a lot of stuff, good, bad and indifferent. But she was no longer interested in simple happiness. She discovered a purpose in life.


      At the end of the final episode, we get the sense that Nick and Adalind are still together. Is that fair?

      JK and DG: Yes, that's fair.

      And obviously Monroe and Rosalee had the triplets, and are - hopefully - still together.

      JK and DG: Yup.

      What happened with some of our other characters? What happened with Renard and Eve and Trubel?

      DG: Whatever you think happened to them!

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    • Wow every one to there own opinion dont like nasty words. Watching the end could of been away for a spinn off so he could move on. He did say he wanted to direct Grimm. But please dont crap me again

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    • 2getheragain wrote:
      No if eve have any kind of sign if love for him he would have told her he loved her. Adelind mother if his child he even said that. He also keeps having flash backs of juliet. The chemistry is far greater with Juliet eve than Adalind. I'm watching all again on netflex this weekend.

      Just wish I could show you the love in his eyes and actions with Eve juliet.

      Chemistry btw, is in the eye of the beholder. I didn't see any chemistry between Nick and Juliette from day one and they were together for four straight years on the show.

      The show specifically showed Nick had moved on and it would have been inappropriate for Eve to reinsert herself in his life when she knew he was happy with Adalind. She overheard their very private and intimate reunion at the loft and saw them every day for maybe weeks of living with them. Nick didn't belong to Eve/Juliette and as a grown man he made his choice every single day to be with Adalind instead of Juliette. He's very monogomous and basically principled in that he would never be with one woman if he wanted to be with another at the same time. He literally tells Hank that hes a "one woman" man in the very first episode of the show just before he sees Adalind across the street. He loved Juliette for four seasons but they were not all happy times and things degraded between them and eventually they couldn't maintain the relationship. Things changed. In S05, he discovered feelings for Adalind and by the end of S05, his heart was no longer with Juliette at all, not even when she stood in front of him after the stick "fixed" her and she was basically her old self again but still a hexenbiest and Adalind was stuck in Sean's mansion. 

      At the end of S05E22 he senses Juliette's back (he even calls her Juliette) but barely an hour later in S06E01, he's running to Adalind and kissing her passionately, not once but twice.

      In S06E02 he's embarrassed because Eve/Juliette KNOWS he's in love with Adalind, how awkward for Nick to have his ex talk about his feelings for his new lover.

      In S06E03 he says in front of everyone that his first kiss with Adalind was in the woods in S01, which is very telling because he never told his friends how he broke Adalind's curse on Hank. To him it's no longer him, a grimm "disarming" his enemy, a hexenbiest in order to save his friend and partner. It's somehow become intimate and he mentions it in front of the woman who was his live in girlfriend when the kiss happed. You would think if Nick wanted to be with Juliette, he'd shut up about kissing Adalind during their relationship.

      In S06E07, even under the effects of the potion, Nick knows who he's in a relationship with. We see him waking up and fetching Adalind a cup of coffee and he doesn't react when Eve throws herself at him. If he wanted Eve/Juliette, this would be the perfect time to act on those old feelings but we see clearly that Nick no longer feels that way. After the spell is broken, Nick makes a beeline past Eve/Juliette towards Adalind. He hugs her fiercely and apologies for his behaviour. 

      The only flashbacks to his life with Juliette were at the hospital with Nick remembering his aunt warnning him to basically dump Juliette for her own good. He didn't listen and that eventually lead to Juliette losing her mind and her setting his mother up which lead to her death. He felt responsible for all of her bad luck. Those flashback aren't even romantic becaus after she wakes up, he questions her like he's investigating a crime and wants to know who/what attacked her. I don't think he even asked her how she felt. By the way, Adalind didn't originally know Kelly had Diana, Viktor actually deduced it when he finally let Adalind out of the dungeon and listened to her story. She couldn't get to Kelly herself that's why she went after Juliette. It was Juliette who brought about Kelly's doom.  She allowed herself to be used by the Royals and tricked Kelly into coming back to Portland over a fake email and set the trap in Nick's house.

      After Eve goes into the mirror, Nick protectively prevents Adalind from going after her even though at that moment they believed only a hexenbiest can open the portal. He doesn't want anything to happen to her because he loves her and yes she's Kelly's mother so that a given as well. He's already told her he was worried Zerstörer would come after her since she was a hexenbiest and he'd already gone attacked Eve. Nick is super protective so him wanting to protect Eve wasn't anything soecial at this point. He's been doing it since S01.

      In the mirror world, Nick assumed Eve wanted to go back to when things were simpler between them (before he became a grimm since all of her problems were cause by him becoming a grimm). He didn't imply that he wanted to go back. He thought she was unhappy and miserable as s hexenbiest after she had suffered so much while being his girlfriend. Just like in S04, Nick wanted to fix/save Eve/Juliette and she finally told him she didn't need saving, that she was content with the way her life turned out. Yes, she suffered badly but everything turned out exactly as it was supposed to be for both of them, Her as a hexenbiest  with a new purpose in life and him happy with his new family, something that was implied Nick wanted for himself since he lost his parents as a child.

      Nick and Adalind are together at the end of the show, the writers wrote it this way. Just because it isn't what you wanted for Nick and Juliette, doesn't change the fact that he's in love and happy with Adalind, even after twenty years (basically confirmed in an interview given by the writers).

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    • Is there any one out there that cares abouy juliet eve. The way she was treated. Why she ended up as Eve. And yes I have watched again and again and I can see the love. I wish I could load up all the photos of Nick kissing juliet crying for her and telling her he loved her. They are not made up put together every photo from grimm. Go search find. I know everyone loves that he is with Adalind and good for you. I am for juliet and Eve and can see the love i suppose i can read between the lines and see real passion i have watched again and again in fact I watch every weekend. Love the show and the fans

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    • The love you are referring to in between S1 to S4. In S5 and S6, that never happened. Nick was angry at Eve in S5 and in S6, for the most part, he was uncomfortable and in the last few episodes was overwhelmed by his guilt over her circumstance. There were zero scenes of love, at least not the romantic kind of a man in love with a woman. I don't know if you ever saw any deleted scenes of S5 and S6. They are mainly scenes between Nick and Adalind growing closer and closer and falling in love with one another. Nick stopped loving Juliette but he never stopped caring about her. Nobody is saying he didn't love Juliette at the beginning of the show, only that at the end of the show, he was in love with Adalind.

      What happened to Juliette was terrible but she also did some horrible things herself. It's not about what fans like and don't like. It's about what actually happened on the show. Our feelings don't determine the actions of the characters, Nick CHOSE Adalind over going back to Juliette, that is a fact.

      If you choose to "read between the lines" in S5 and S6, I can assure that isn't what was written on the show. It's what you wanted to happen but didn't. You are welcome to feel this way but it's not the reality of the show as they filmed it.

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    • Still for Eve. Always sorry but that's my choice. Adalind told the royals about Eve and Nicks mum. Eve told Nick she didn't know they were going to kill her. She burnt the trailer because if everything happened to her. And Nick protecting the unborn baby not Adalind was the last straw. Yes Eve done bad things so did Adalind.

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    • Watching tv series is supposed to get you thinking if the programme was just here it is that's it. It would be boring. So yes I have watched and watched time and time again and still believe

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    • 2getheragain wrote:
      Still for Eve. Always sorry but that's my choice. Adalind told the royals about Eve and Nicks mum. Eve told Nick she didn't know they were going to kill her. She burnt the trailer because if everything happened to her. And Nick protecting the unborn baby not Adalind was the last straw. Yes Eve done bad things so did Adalind.

      Yes Adalind did very bad things, I don't deny that. After they took Diana away, she became rather desperate, and was willing to do anything to get her back (like sleeping with Nick) the same way Juliette was also pushed too far and burning the trailer was the first step towards doing terrible things.

      Kelly told Adalind about giving up her child (Nick) to protect him, to sacrifice what she loved the most and meant Adalind had to give up Diana and Adalind refused, that's why Kelly stole Diana anyway. Sean and and Nick lied to Adalind and they told her the Royals took Diana because they didn't want her going after Kelly, so Adalind went to Europe thinking Viktor had Diana. Viktor realised Adalind was deceived but he wanted to use her to ruin Nick. That's why Adalind pretented to be Juliette in order to take Nick's powers. Viktor promised Adalind that because Nick had originally taken her powers away, if she took Nick's powers in return, he'd let her see Diana again. But he was lying because he didn't have Diana. He then tortured Adalind but because he still wanted Diana, he told her the truth and asked her what really happened the day Diana was taken away.

      When Adalind told Viktor about what Kelly said to her that day, HE (not Adalind) is the one that  worked it out that Kelly was really the one that had taken Diana and basically told Adalind (You can go back and watch the scene. Adalind didn't know until Viktor told her). And because Adalind didn't know where Kelly was, she suggested going after Juliette to force Nick to reveal his mother's whereabouts. Juliette beat the crap out of Adalind, who then ran away with her tail between her legs. The royals realised Adalind was useless and so they basically "dumped" her and went dirently to Juliette themselves. Juliette is the one who wrote a fake email luring Kelly to come back to Portalnd because she lied and said Nick was in danger. She did it because she knew how to make contact with Kelly (Adalind didn't even believe that Juliette would betray Nick and Kelly no matter how angry she was but Adalind was wrong about Juliette).

      So for you to say that Adalind is the one responsible for Kelly's death is very incorrect. If you are going to blame Adalind for doing something she didn't even know then you must blame Juliette even more for bringing Kelly to the royals. She is the one who lied to Kelly in the email and on the phone (you can go back and watch the scene) and told her the house was empty when the house was full of people waiting to attack her. Juliette waited upstairs and listened to the fight that ended with Kelly's death. She could have stopped it or helped Kelly but she didn't. She thought that because Kelly was a Grimm she wouldn't be killed but that seems very stupid to me because Kelly was one woman against maybe twelve or so people. Kelly wasn't superwoman. Even Nick when he fought about twelve or so at the end of S5, he was killed but the stick brought him back to life. This is why Nick was angry at Eve in S5, he blamed her for what happened to Kelly and rightfully so. Without that fake email, Kelly would never have come back to Portland. She would have stayed in hiding with Diana.

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    • There's no such thing as a love that disappear. But love can be bested or overwritten. That's the story between Nick, Juliette, and Adalind. When Juliette lost her faith on Nick's love for her which lead to so many tragedies, his love became open to be bested and overwritten in which what Adalind did. I'm not gonna say much about Nick and Adalind pairing except that I had prefer it over the Nick and Juliette. There's an ease in Nick and Adalind's relationship that Nick and Juliette never had. I mean, it didn't help that Juliette's role for 3 and a half seasons was just to be "The Girl" of the show and it also didn't help that they are already in a relationship before the Pilot. Relationships like that especially in a show as dark as this has a huge chance of going downhill since it was not established and strengthened by the course of the show but was instead being desperately prevented from falling apart. Nick and Adalind became more acceptable since even though they are of the worst start, their characters developed throughout the show and the audience relate to them. How they change, how they set aside their differences for their son, and how the progress of the show establish their relationship as a couple. They are developed first as characters, as people, before they are developed as a couple in which what it should be if you're gonna make a relationship in a show like Grimm. Strengthen first your characters through the whirpools of the show and then make them a couple. Not being a couple first and then give them obstacles because most of the time that does not work both in a TV fiction and in real life.

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    • Pretty much this. It was a mistake to have them in a relationship from the start because it meant the only way left to go was down. In terms of romance on tv, the best thing to do is to build up to two people falling in love. For me, it was hard to care for these two. Nick was just learning who he was and there was the added baggage of him lying to Juliette, his work life being an ever present threat. The mistrust (several times Juliette thought he was cheating on her). In S4, it was apparent they had different ideas about the life they wanted. No matter how much they loved each other, I wasn't invested in this train wreck. They were given problems after problems without any real long lasting wins and I just wanted it over. At the end of S4 I wasn't surprised by Juliette's bitterness and resentment towards Nick. She should have left him back in S1 as soon as the second episode when she realised he was lying to her and kept at until the end when his life as a grimm nearly cost her her life and sanity. Sometimes even love is not enough to build a life together. They were forcing something that just wasn't working. His life with Adalind was like the difference between night and day. They had the worst start, beginning as enemies but both had grown and developed as individuals who knew themselves and ultimately what they wanted in life and shockingly, they found it in one another. It's very different to what he had with Juliette partly because it is Adalind. Nick is a protector by nature and Adalind responds to that in a way Juliette couldn't and would not accept after becoming a hexenbiest. She found it offensive while Adalind readily accepts it. Nick and Adalind fit one another in a way that is natural and surprising for a grimm and a hexenbiest. Juliette had an independent spirit while Nick (and Adalind) desperately sought to belong to and with someone. You see how all grimm are independent wanderers but Nick settled in one place surrounding himself with a growing number of people, something that was clearly ungrimm-like. I feel Nick and Juliette were fundamentally different and would never work out in the long run. They certainly tried and tragedy was a consequence of holding on to something they should have let go.

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    • I regret watching this show... I'm stuck between multiple feelings. Happiness, Sadness and crying...

      I'm having headaches over that shows ending... 

      Nick ending up with Adalind just felt forced for me from the get go even after reading what you'll had to say.

      Now i'm gonna go watch Teen Wolf in hopes of forgetting that Juliet is out there being forced to hide her feelings...

      Everything went downhill for me with the introduction of Kelly being Nick's child which he really was witched into having.

      Just felt like Nick was under another Adalind spell the whole time they were living together, you could see it in Adalind's face the whole time. She had a certain smirk on that the longer I watched it felt like I was Juliet suffering. She had every right to blame Nick cause he couldnt look at her after discovering what she was and for Juliet going from a normal person to looking like a dead person and knowing that everyone was scared of looking at you must have caused a lot of pain. Even i could feel how it felt being like that

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    • I think Nick and Juliette could have worked out their relationship, had she not reacted vengefully towards Nick. I actually felt sorry for her when she discovered she'd become a hexenbiest. Despite Nick's aversion towards them (as the worst of the worst) I thought with a little time, both would come accept what she'd become. Nick wanted to try because he did love her but Juliette lost her mind and started burning her bridges (to Nick's heart) literally. Things didn't have to escalate that far but Adalind being pregnant was the last straw for her and in her anger, she lost all rational thought. It's unfortunate.

      As for Adalind, she didn't cast a spell on Nick when he started having some type of feelings for her because her powers were suppressed. That's just wishful thinking. For half the time she lived with Nick at the loft, she didn't have her powers and when she got them back, she hardly used them except when she met with her old boss for her job back. By then, Nick had already formed a bond with her.

      Nick started the show in a relationship with Juliette, by today's standard tropes for romance on TV, that didn't guarantee that he would end the show still in a relationship with Juliette. Nick and Adalind meet the conditions of at least one popular trope, that of enemies to lovers. I feel N&J lacked fiery passion. They were just there (nothing memorable about them) when the show started and then it all went to hell in a basket when Nick's Grimm life presented obstacles for them/danger for her through Nick's enemies (Sean and Adalind) and it was at a disadvantage because the writers didn't show us how they got together. The best part of TV romance is often the Will they or won't they journey and as a view, that was a missed opportunity for them. Perhaps the writers wanted to be different but that decision and their writing failed the relationship from "beginning" down to its very end. Adalind shouldn't have been an option for Nick but the writers saw what they believed was an opportunity to shake things up and Claire Coffee fell pregnant in real life and they purposefully wrote her pregnancy onto the show but I'm getting ahead of myself.

      After S2, I was through trying to find excuses for N&J remaining in a relationship. The writers botched them and didn't write anything remotely romantic (being supportive of one another no matter what) for them like they did with Monroe and Rosalie. From general comments on the show, people hated one or the other of Nick's relationships (sometimes both) but they loved M&R. At the end of the day, I believe people watched this show for all of the wesen stories, not to see who Nick picked as a love interest because that wasn't the wtiters' strong suits.

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    • In my opinion, I'm starting to hate Juliette for some reason now after she became a hexenbiest. It's maybe because I didn't understand it well or Juliette is being stubborn. I understand that a hexenbiest is ugly and stuff but like she got the power to protect herself. She just gotta learn how to control it and continue living with Nick. (I'm only in season 4 ep 17). If I am misunderstanding something please tell me. Thank you.

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    • I have downright despised Juliette for four seasons. She annoyed the sh*t out of me even when she was still Human, almost from episode one on, however I think Nick loved her more than anyone else. She was the one for him. Also everything negative said towards Juliette goes to Adalind as well - what she did was equally as bad as what Juliette did. She spent four seasons being vile and bad to the core. She is responsible for everything bad happening in Juliette's and Nick's life. Juliette becomes a Hexenbiest because of Adalind. And then when Adallind realizes that Juliette is stronger than her and that Kenneth has no interest in protecting her, she uses her pregnancy to get Nick on her side (the finest manipulation from her side, again! She did that four seasons long, let's not forget that) How did Juliette feel seeing Nick protecting the woman who did so many horrible things to her and them as a couple? He sent her away. He kept her imprisoned. And while I understand why he did it, I can completely see why Juliette was raging and hated him for it. He was a s*** boyfriend in these episodes (not saying this justifies Juliette helping the Royals to get his mother, and also not saying that Juliette was a great girlfriend. I pretty much hated her for most episodes.)



      So, don't get me wrong, I don't like Juliette, and I don't like her with Nick. I wished they would have split up in season 2 already. I think partly this is also the fault of how the character was written, and quite honestly Bitsie Tulloch is not the greatest actress. Unlike Sasha Roiz who did a lot of shady stuff as Renard, she wasn't able to project the feeling of being torn the way he did. And unlike Claire Coffee she wasn't able to raise sympathy with the viewers.



      But I don't like Nick with Adalind either. She raped him. And to everyone who says she doesn't: She did. Rape by deception. In many countries this is a crime! Just imagine the gender roles would be diversed and it would be a guy taking advantage of a woman. None of us here would let it slide the way everone does with Adalind.



      I'm so sick of this shipping war. Both women are pretty much crap imo. The only difference between them is that Nick and Adalind's relationship is fanfiction level. And I'm honestly a bit shocked that the writers of this show went down such a fanfiction route within only a few episodes (!) and that many viewers buy it! Adalind pregnant with Nick's child and they both fall in love because suddenly she changed into a complete new person? This is so... weird and far from good storytelling (but then all of  Season 5 is completely weird. Including the super-power child Diana, the sudden appearance of Eve, and Renard's involvement with Black Claw. We are talking about Renard here - the interesting part about him was always that he was neither good nor bad. Renard would have never let an organization use him like BC did. He would have always kept a few backdoors open. Also the way they changed the plot completely with BC appearance made me shake my head. Wesen Council - cancelled. Royals - cancelled. Resistence - cancelled. Wesenrein - cancelled. All major plotlines gone for the sake of a new, boring one that appeared out of nowhere. But that's another topic.)



      I honestly wish the show wouldn't have gone down such a soap opera level. Rosalee and Monroe - great. Wesen cases - great. Nick's working relationship with Hank, Wu and Renard - great. Trying to create a world beyond ours with the Council, Wesen groups and Royals - interesting.  Trying to be a Grimm and a Detective, a man of justice - interesting! I wish the show would have kept all these ingredients which made it popular in the first place. Sadly they didn't. And sadly it's probably why it got cancelled with season 6.



      God, I'm so frustrated at this. Grimm is my one of my favorite shows. I hate that I feel so pissed at what they did with season 5 and parts of season 6. And the relationships between the characters.

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    • Isa0na wrote:
      I have downright despised Juliette for four seasons. She annoyed the sh*t out of me even when she was still Human, almost from episode one on, however I think Nick loved her more than anyone else. She was the one for him. Also everything negative said towards Juliette goes to Adalind as well - what she did was equally as bad as what Juliette did. She spent four seasons being vile and bad to the core. She is responsible for everything bad happening in Juliette's and Nick's life. Juliette becomes a Hexenbiest because of Adalind. And then when Adallind realizes that Juliette is stronger than her and that Kenneth has no interest in protecting her, she uses her pregnancy to get Nick on her side (the finest manipulation from her side, again! She did that four seasons long, let's not forget that) How did Juliette feel seeing Nick protecting the woman who did so many horrible things to her and them as a couple? He sent her away. He kept her imprisoned. And while I understand why he did it, I can completely see why Juliette was raging and hated him for it. He was a s*** boyfriend in these episodes (not saying this justifies Juliette helping the Royals to get his mother, and also not saying that Juliette was a great girlfriend. I pretty much hated her for most episodes.)


      So, don't get me wrong, I don't like Juliette, and I don't like her with Nick. I wished they would have split up in season 2 already. I think partly this is also the fault of how the character was written, and quite honestly Bitsie Tulloch is not the greatest actress. Unlike Sasha Roiz who did a lot of shady stuff as Renard, she wasn't able to project the feeling of being torn the way he did. And unlike Claire Coffee she wasn't able to raise sympathy with the viewers.



      But I don't like Nick with Adalind either. She raped him. And to everyone who says she doesn't: She did. Rape by deception. In many countries this is a crime! Just imagine the gender roles would be diversed and it would be a guy taking advantage of a woman. None of us here would let it slide the way everone does with Adalind.



      I'm so sick of this shipping war. Both women are pretty much crap imo. The only difference between them is that Nick and Adalind's relationship is fanfiction level. And I'm honestly a bit shocked that the writers of this show went down such a fanfiction route within only a few episodes (!) and that many viewers buy it! Adalind pregnant with Nick's child and they both fall in love because suddenly she changed into a complete new person? This is so... weird and far from good storytelling (but then all of  Season 5 is completely weird. Including the super-power child Diana, the sudden appearance of Eve, and Renard's involvement with Black Claw. We are talking about Renard here - the interesting part about him was always that he was neither good nor bad. Renard would have never let an organization use him like BC did. He would have always kept a few backdoors open. Also the way they changed the plot completely with BC appearance made me shake my head. Wesen Council - cancelled. Royals - cancelled. Resistence - cancelled. Wesenrein - cancelled. All major plotlines gone for the sake of a new, boring one that appeared out of nowhere. But that's another topic.)



      I honestly wish the show wouldn't have gone down such a soap opera level. Rosalee and Monroe - great. Wesen cases - great. Nick's working relationship with Hank, Wu and Renard - great. Trying to create a world beyond ours with the Council, Wesen groups and Royals - interesting.  Trying to be a Grimm and a Detective, a man of justice - interesting! I wish the show would have kept all these ingredients which made it popular in the first place. Sadly they didn't. And sadly it's probably why it got cancelled with season 6.



      God, I'm so frustrated at this. Grimm is my one of my favorite shows. I hate that I feel so pissed at what they did with season 5 and parts of season 6. And the relationships between the characters.

      Yeah, I kind of agree with you. Though I liked Adalind more as a character all throughout the series, neither of those two actually deserved Nick. But Adalind acquired the upperhand when Juliette exited the picture. They have a kid to consider and it's not that hard to like someone if that person is actually likeable especially if you two are stuck in the same roof. And that's what happened between Nick and Adalind during the 5th and 6th season.

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    • I mean, nick and Juliette would be married and have a family prolly if it wasn’t for adalind who started Juliette’s problems all in the beginning after the cat scratch. Juliette doesn’t want to be a Hexenbiest, she hates it. Her and nick were so adorable. Adalind tricked nick into sleeping with her, which got her pregnant, she poised Julie, and tried to kill his aunt!

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    • I don't think Nick is a prize. If anything, he didn't deserve either Juliette or Adalind.

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    • 72.213.50.19 wrote:
      I don't think Nick is a prize. If anything, he didn't deserve either Juliette or Adalind.

      It's the other way around. Neither of those two bitches actually deserve Nick.

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    • Nah. Nick doesn't deserve either of them.

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    • @Isa0na - I agree with most of what you said. I do believe Nick loved Juliette during the first four seasons but I despised her so much and couldn't understand why they didn't break up in S2.

      The rational part of me gets what  you're saying regarding Adalind's sexual assault of Nick, not to justify it or condone it, I will say there were extenuating circumstances surrounding her actions. Yes she did and it's terrible but she was decived into doing it as a means to get her daughter back that the gang had stolen from her and then lied to her about where she was. Claire Coffee had a way of making me sympathise with her during the Diana debacle so I looked at all sides where that was concerned. I will say I didn't see Nick and Adalind being together coming at all until it actually happened. I thought it was awkward and strange but their chemistry won me over and once they set aside their differences and turbulent past for their son,. It was easy to see them connecting on a basic level. I think they yearned for the same thing, family, and they were essentially characters that exhibited loyalty throughout the show, so once common ground was established, I figure they'd stick by each other, an unlikely pair if there ever was one. I ended up loving them, however, I do totally understand some viewers' hatred of the pairing. 

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    • MichaelMay24 wrote:
      I can't really tell which love is the true one. Is it:

      1.) Nick's love for Adalind and their baby son?

      2.) Nick's love for Juliette?

      These are good questions. Juliette would seem to have the better claim, since she and Nick started out together. They remained a couple for over 4 years and longer since their relationship was in full swing before the series started. But I don't know that what Juliette and Nick had would be considered true love since neither seemed to have any fond memories of the other once they parted for good. I can't really say that the Nick/Adalind relationship was so great because in order to believe they love one another, the viewer has to suspend many different levels of terrible and evil things just to get to the heart of their relationship. For instance, Adalind's poisoning Juliette and putting her in a coma and near death. No matter if Nick is in a relationship with Juliette or not, that's something that is beyond forgiveness. Likewise, Nick kidnapping Adalind's baby. Having children myself, I can't imagine a more terrible act, regardless of whether he was doing it to save her and the baby or not. And once a viewer gets down to the heart of this couple, there's not a lot there that would reveal a deep and true love for one another. 

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    • MichaelMay24 wrote:
      I can't really tell which love is the true one. Is it:

      1.) Nick's love for Adalind and their baby son?

      2.) Nick's love for Juliette?

      These are good questions. If I go by the length of time spent together, I would say Juliette probably has the better claim to Nick's love since they were a couple before the pilot and remained a couple for over four years afterwards. But I don't know that I would call what they had, 'true love'. Nick showed very little fondness for Juliette after they parted ways. Juliette became Eve and near the end stated she could never go back. So that shows she had very little fondness for Nick. 

      Adalind and Nick are a completely different story. I don't mean because I think they had true love. What I mean is that in order to discover what kind of relationship they had, the viewer pretty much has to suspend 4 years of evil and terrible actions in order to get to the heart of this couple. The first example is when Adalind poisoned Juliette into a coma and near death. Regardless of what the viewer thinks of Juliette, there's no denying that Nick had a fondness for her during their time together. Regardless of Nick showing no fondness for her after they parted ways, Nick is portrayed as the kind of guy who has a heart. That kind of thing would not warrant forgiveness. Likewise, Adalind looking past Nick kidnapping Diana is also an unforgiveable act. Neither character was all that charitable.

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    • 72.213.50.19 wrote:
      MichaelMay24 wrote:
      I can't really tell which love is the true one. Is it:

      1.) Nick's love for Adalind and their baby son?

      2.) Nick's love for Juliette?

      Adalind and Nick are a completely different story. I don't mean because I think they had true love. What I mean is that in order to discover what kind of relationship they had, the viewer pretty much has to suspend 4 years of evil and terrible actions in order to get to the heart of this couple. The first example is when Adalind poisoned Juliette into a coma and near death. Regardless of what the viewer thinks of Juliette, there's no denying that Nick had a fondness for her during their time together. Regardless of Nick showing no fondness for her after they parted ways, Nick is portrayed as the kind of guy who has a heart. That kind of thing would not warrant forgiveness. Likewise, Adalind looking past Nick kidnapping Diana is also an unforgiveable act. Neither character was all that charitable.
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    • That's true. I wondered how long it would be before Nick turned on Adalind and vice versa. The series never had the characters come clean with one another.

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    • As much as Juliette was great with Nick, I think Nick and Adalind brings out the best out of each other and sadly sometimes the worst.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:
      As much as Juliette was great with Nick, I think Nick and Adalind brings out the best out of each other and sadly sometimes the worst.

      For me, I wish this was true. For me, the story never got down to the basics where the two of them could bring out the best or the worst in one another. It simply put them together and forced the audience to believe that they could somehow fall in love with one another without the ups and downs of a relationship.

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    • I don't like the term, 'true love'. Either a couple loves one another or they don't. What I think is missing is that flame that you see in couples who have been together for years and years and years and you know from looking at them that they are the end all for one another. That goes way deeper than just a love for one another. They live for one another. Nick and Adalind didn't have that. I think Nick and Adalind were attracted to one another, sexually and the sadly, the biggest fireworks of their relationship occurred whan Adalind raped Nick. I don't doubt that being together fostered a kind of love between them, but I don't see them being the end all for one another. They could tell each other I love you every morning or easily break up with one another. That flame that keeps couples together for the duration just isn't there for them.

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    • Despite what many loud voices may say, turning Adalind into the love interest was a mistake. It turned off lots of fans and without people watching your show cannot continue, unless you are on the CW.

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    • I'm starting to wonder what's still there to argue about regarding the women Nick had been in relationship with. If it's Adalind or Juliette? Well, here's the thing, 20 years later, Adalind and Nick are still together. They'd already outlived their former relationships especially Nick's 6 years with Juliette. Reading between the lines and the unseen, if they didn't truly loved each other, having a son or not, they would have broke up during the prior years of the '20 years later'.

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    • 72.213.50.19 wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote:
      As much as Juliette was great with Nick, I think Nick and Adalind brings out the best out of each other and sadly sometimes the worst.

      For me, I wish this was true. For me, the story never got down to the basics where the two of them could bring out the best or the worst in one another. It simply put them together and forced the audience to believe that they could somehow fall in love with one another without the ups and downs of a relationship.

      Well like Nick said "I like to think we live in an enlightened age Where fear does not drive belief." and like De Groot said. "So some of the things we've heard about this, uh, Grimm are true." and Alexander said to De Groot. "I don't think he is like anything we have ever dealt with."

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:

      For me, I wish this was true. For me, the story never got down to the basics where the two of them could bring out the best or the worst in one another. It simply put them together and forced the audience to believe that they could somehow fall in love with one another without the ups and downs of a relationship.

      Well like Nick said "I like to think we live in an enlightened age Where fear does not drive belief." and like De Groot said. "So some of the things we've heard about this, uh, Grimm are true." and Alexander said to De Groot. "I don't think he is like anything we have ever dealt with."

      Yes, but what does this have to do with a forced relationship? 

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    • That could seemed forced when they have a child together. But it does not seem to be.

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    • Vandersad wrote:
      THE Show made it clear that the only woman Nick wanted nick romantically in season 6 was Adalind, in the opening of season 6 he literally goes rushing into her arms at the mansion and gives her the most possiante kiss I’ve seen him give anyone on the show, I don’t even recall him kissing Juliette like that. Then Eve herself even senses Nicks love in 6x02 when she says you love Adalind. Also in the final episode of season 6 he tells his mother and aunt he wants Adalind back, if he was so in love with Eve as you claim why didn’t he say her name to kelly and Marie instead of Adalinds.


      But Juliette dumped Nick. Twice. If you look at Nick as a character that would have absolute respect for Juliette, wouldn't he honor her wishes and not pursue her romantically

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    • Well, I would not trust Juliette considering she lied to Nick's mother and had her killed and she took Diana.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:
      Well, I would not trust Juliette considering she lied to Nick's mother and had her killed and she took Diana.

      Juliette soon ceased to exist after Kenneth killed Kelly and Diana was handed over to the royals, so any mistrust Nick had in her would have died with Juliette.

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    • Marzarret wrote:
      Well, here's the thing, 20 years later, Adalind and Nick are still together. They'd already outlived their former relationships especially Nick's 6 years with Juliette. Reading between the lines and the unseen, if they didn't truly loved each other, having a son or not, they would have broke up during the prior years of the '20 years later'.

      Are they together 20 years later or is that something fans have implied?

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    • Lucille55 wrote:
      Dragonfly82 wrote:
      Well, I would not trust Juliette considering she lied to Nick's mother and had her killed and she took Diana.
      Juliette soon ceased to exist after Kenneth killed Kelly and Diana was handed over to the royals, so any mistrust Nick had in her would have died with Juliette.

      That does not forgive Juliette for everything she had done.

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    • Lucille55 wrote:

      Marzarret wrote:
      Well, here's the thing, 20 years later, Adalind and Nick are still together. They'd already outlived their former relationships especially Nick's 6 years with Juliette. Reading between the lines and the unseen, if they didn't truly loved each other, having a son or not, they would have broke up during the prior years of the '20 years later'.

      Are they together 20 years later or is that something fans have implied?

      Well, they could be so since when he came to agreement with Sean. Nick did say he wants his life back and Kelly as well Adalind.

      Future Diana did say.

      • Future Diana: Mom and Dad are waiting. We have got Wesen to kill. The triplets are coming, too.

      If they are married, then saying "Mom and Dad are waiting" Diana could mean Nick is her stepfather as Kelly and Diana have two different fathers and they share one mother and Sean could still be working in Law Enforcement.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:
      That does not forgive Juliette for everything she had done.

      But you're assuming then that Nick doesn't have the capacity for forgiveness.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:

      Well, they could be so since when he came to agreement with Sean. Nick did say he wants his life back and Kelly as well Adalind.

      Future Diana did say.

      • Future Diana: Mom and Dad are waiting. We have got Wesen to kill. The triplets are coming, too.

      If they are married, then saying "Mom and Dad are waiting" Diana could mean Nick is her stepfather as Kelly and Diana have two different fathers and they share one mother and Sean could still be working in Law Enforcement.

      But no where in this dialogue does it state that Nick and Adalind married, and remained together 20 years later. Viewers are implying that based on a statement from Diana. 

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    • Lucille55 wrote:
      Dragonfly82 wrote:
      That does not forgive Juliette for everything she had done.
      But you're assuming then that Nick doesn't have the capacity for forgiveness.

      She tricked Kelly to come out from hiding and had Nick's mother killed and had her head in a box for Nick to see. How forgiving do you think he should be?

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    • Lucille55 wrote:
      Dragonfly82 wrote:

      Well, they could be so since when he came to agreement with Sean. Nick did say he wants his life back and Kelly as well Adalind.

      Future Diana did say.
      • Future Diana: Mom and Dad are waiting. We have got Wesen to kill. The triplets are coming, too.

      If they are married, then saying "Mom and Dad are waiting" Diana could mean Nick is her stepfather as Kelly and Diana have two different fathers and they share one mother and Sean could still be working in Law Enforcement.

      But no where in this dialogue does it state that Nick and Adalind married, and remained together 20 years later. Viewers are implying that based on a statement from Diana. 

      I think they are.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:
      She tricked Kelly to come out from hiding and had Nick's mother killed and had her head in a box for Nick to see. How forgiving do you think he should be?

      100% forgiving.

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    • Lucille55 wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote:
      She tricked Kelly to come out from hiding and had Nick's mother killed and had her head in a box for Nick to see. How forgiving do you think he should be?

      100% forgiving.

      You are kidding, right?

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    • But the way. I have rewatched some of the episodes and I have come to find out that I had forgot about something. It was not Adalind's fault for Nick to lose his Grimm powers and to get them back as it was Victor to blame as he did force Adalind to do that as she thought Viktor had Diana.

      I think Juliette hates Adalind the most is for sleeping with Nick and having a baby with him, while the coma thing is serious, while not so much as that is a different story. You can see this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wblWNbvBXQo

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:

      You are kidding, right?

      I'm not kidding at all. Let me add that, Grimm has never been a show about repentence or forgiveness. It's the fans who are all steamed up about Kelly's betrayal. Nick himself really never gave it a thought once he met Eve. Maybe it's because she saved his life? So why would you write such a question? I actually thought we were having a really interesting discussion here.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:
      But the way. I have rewatched some of the episodes and I have come to find out that I had forgot about something. It was not Adalind's fault for Nick to lose his Grimm powers and to get them back as it was Victor to blame as he did force Adalind to do that as she thought Viktor had Diana.

      I think Juliette hates Adalind the most is for sleeping with Nick and having a baby with him, while the coma thing is serious, while not so much as that is a different story. You can see this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wblWNbvBXQo

      This makes me think that Adalind is a very weak minded individual.

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    • Aboutnici wrote:
      To be honest, I'm a Nadalind shipper and yes both Nick and Adalind did horrible things to each other, but Adalind never got Nick's mom killed, that's on Juliette for trying to steal Diana for the Royals. 

      Don't forget it was Adalind who tried to murder Marie, and then eventually got her killed. Nick himself said Marie was like a mother to him. 

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    • 72.213.50.19 wrote:
      Aboutnici wrote:
      To be honest, I'm a Nadalind shipper and yes both Nick and Adalind did horrible things to each other, but Adalind never got Nick's mom killed, that's on Juliette for trying to steal Diana for the Royals. 
      Don't forget it was Adalind who tried to murder Marie, and then eventually got her killed. Nick himself said Marie was like a mother to him. 

      Yeah, but they were enemies back then. In an act of war, that's to be expected. Adalind never took advantage of Nick's trust or love the way Juliette did when she betrayed him and got his mom killed. One that makes Adalind's former action more tolerable than Juliette is because she's an enemy to Nick and Nick will expect the worst from her. On the other hand, Nick remained to have faith in Juliette that she won't go that far but unfortunately, she did and that...well, let's just say that if an enemy hurts you, you can shrug it off but when someone you love betrayed you, that kills a part of you and that's the ultimate fate of Nick and Juliette's relationship.

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    • Marzarret wrote:
      Yeah, but they were enemies back then. In an act of war, that's to be expected. Adalind never took advantage of Nick's trust or love the way Juliette did when she betrayed him and got his mom killed. One that makes Adalind's former action more tolerable than Juliette is because she's an enemy to Nick and Nick will expect the worst from her. On the other hand, Nick remained to have faith in Juliette that she won't go that far but unfortunately, she did and that...well, let's just say that if an enemy hurts you, you can shrug it off but when someone you love betrayed you, that kills a part of you and that's the ultimate fate of Nick and Juliette's relationship.

      Juliette and Nick were also enemies at the time she betrayed Kelly. There's no difference.

      You also stated that Adalind never took advantage of Nick's trust or love the way Juliette did. She took great advantage of Nick's trust and love when she morphed into Juliette to remove his powers. She also took great advantage of Juliette. If that's not a betrayal, I don't know what is.

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    • 72.213.50.19 wrote:
      Aboutnici wrote:
      To be honest, I'm a Nadalind shipper and yes both Nick and Adalind did horrible things to each other, but Adalind never got Nick's mom killed, that's on Juliette for trying to steal Diana for the Royals. 
      Don't forget it was Adalind who tried to murder Marie, and then eventually got her killed. Nick himself said Marie was like a mother to him. 

      Well that was really Sean and Catherine.

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    • 72.213.50.19 wrote:
      Dragonfly82 wrote:
      But the way. I have rewatched some of the episodes and I have come to find out that I had forgot about something. It was not Adalind's fault for Nick to lose his Grimm powers and to get them back as it was Victor to blame as he did force Adalind to do that as she thought Viktor had Diana.

      I think Juliette hates Adalind the most is for sleeping with Nick and having a baby with him, while the coma thing is serious, while not so much as that is a different story. You can see this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wblWNbvBXQo

      This makes me think that Adalind is a very weak minded individual.

      Losing her powers and having being abandoned by Sean and her mother after being loyal to them, And having her child kidnapped and forced and lied to by the Royals to sleep with Nick to lose his powers or she will never see Diana again. Yeah. if you think that makes her very weak minded individual. Than I don't know what you consider to be a strong minded individual.

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    • Lucille55 wrote:
      Dragonfly82 wrote:

      You are kidding, right?

      I'm not kidding at all. Let me add that, Grimm has never been a show about repentence or forgiveness. It's the fans who are all steamed up about Kelly's betrayal. Nick himself really never gave it a thought once he met Eve. Maybe it's because she saved his life?

      So why would you write such a question? I actually thought we were having a really interesting discussion here.

      Juliette had killed Nick's mother and she burned down the Trailer and she blamed it on being a hexenbiest.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:
      Juliette had killed Nick's mother and she burned down the Trailer and she blamed it on being a hexenbiest.

      She didn't kill Nick's mother. Kenneth did. But you don't really believe Juliette the human would have betrayed Kelly or burned down Nick's trailer, do you?

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    • Marzarret wrote:
      Yeah, but they were enemies back then. In an act of war, that's to be expected. Adalind never took advantage of Nick's trust or love the way Juliette did when she betrayed him and got his mom killed. One that makes Adalind's former action more tolerable than Juliette is because she's an enemy to Nick and Nick will expect the worst from her. On the other hand, Nick remained to have faith in Juliette that she won't go that far but unfortunately, she did and that...well, let's just say that if an enemy hurts you, you can shrug it off but when someone you love betrayed you, that kills a part of you and that's the ultimate fate of Nick and Juliette's relationship.

      Actually they were not enemies as Nick didn't know who Adalind was, so in reality, it makes Adalind's actions more appalling. The fact that she could hurt someone who she didn't know really shows what a cold person she really is.

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    • Lucille55 wrote:
      Dragonfly82 wrote:
      Juliette had killed Nick's mother and she burned down the Trailer and she blamed it on being a hexenbiest.
      She didn't kill Nick's mother. Kenneth did. But you don't really believe Juliette the human would have betrayed Kelly or burned down Nick's trailer, do you?

      Kelly trusted Juliette and yes, Juliette did burn down the trailer.

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    • Lucille55 wrote:
      Marzarret wrote:
      Yeah, but they were enemies back then. In an act of war, that's to be expected. Adalind never took advantage of Nick's trust or love the way Juliette did when she betrayed him and got his mom killed. One that makes Adalind's former action more tolerable than Juliette is because she's an enemy to Nick and Nick will expect the worst from her. On the other hand, Nick remained to have faith in Juliette that she won't go that far but unfortunately, she did and that...well, let's just say that if an enemy hurts you, you can shrug it off but when someone you love betrayed you, that kills a part of you and that's the ultimate fate of Nick and Juliette's relationship.
      Actually they were not enemies as Nick didn't know who Adalind was, so in reality, it makes Adalind's actions more appalling. The fact that she could hurt someone who she didn't know really shows what a cold person she really is.

      And betraying and hurting the people you claim to love is not any worse? Are you serious?

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    • Marzarret wrote:
      And betraying and hurting the people you claim to love is not any worse? Are you serious?

      You're not by chance assuming Juliette the hexenbiest and Juliette the human are exactly the same, are you?

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:
      Lucille55 wrote:
      Dragonfly82 wrote:
      Juliette had killed Nick's mother and she burned down the Trailer and she blamed it on being a hexenbiest.
      She didn't kill Nick's mother. Kenneth did. But you don't really believe Juliette the human would have betrayed Kelly or burned down Nick's trailer, do you?
      Kelly trusted Juliette and yes, Juliette did burn down the trailer.

      Juliette did not kill Kelly. Kenneth did. Juliette burned down the trailer. And I repeat my previous question. Would Juliette the human woman have betrayed Nick or burned down his trailer?  

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    • Juliette was dead to me after everything that happened with Kelly. But, I liked him with Adalind WAY better than Juliette anyway. 

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    • Lucille55 wrote:
      Marzarret wrote:
      And betraying and hurting the people you claim to love is not any worse? Are you serious?
      You're not by chance assuming Juliette the hexenbiest and Juliette the human are exactly the same, are you?

      While you are splitting hairs, because Nick did not blame his actions when he was Zombie Grimm and when Sean was possessed by Jack the Ripper. Adalind did not split hairs while things she did was out of her control.

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    • Lucille55 wrote:


      Dragonfly82 wrote:
      Lucille55 wrote:
      Dragonfly82 wrote:
      Juliette had killed Nick's mother and she burned down the Trailer and she blamed it on being a hexenbiest.
      She didn't kill Nick's mother. Kenneth did. But you don't really believe Juliette the human would have betrayed Kelly or burned down Nick's trailer, do you?
      Kelly trusted Juliette and yes, Juliette did burn down the trailer.
      Juliette did not kill Kelly. Kenneth did. Juliette burned down the trailer. And I repeat my previous question. Would Juliette the human woman have betrayed Nick or burned down his trailer?  

      She did kill Kelly and she did burn down the trailer. Because you can see here.

      • Kenneth: May I present Miss Juliette Silverton, without whose help this would not have been possible. Juliette, this is King Frederick Von—
      • Frederick: That's plenty. I cannot thank you enough. You will be well taken care of. A whole new life awaits you in Vienna. I have always had a soft spot for Hexenbiests. [To Diana] Look at you. You are so beautiful. Come give your grandfather a hug.

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      • Juliette: I didn't know Kenneth was gonna do that.
      • Nick: She trusted you.
      • Juliette: I know. I thought they just wanted Diana.
      • Nick: You betrayed her! [He grabs her and pins her against a wall to choke her]
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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:
      While you are splitting hairs, because Nick did not blame his actions when he was Zombie Grimm and when Sean was possessed by Jack the Ripper. Adalind did not split hairs while things she did was out of her control.

      Not at all. I just get tired of reading the same old replies from the people who favor the Nick/Adalind pairing. For example,

      Adlalind was a pawn, Juliette betrayed Kelly.

      Adalind was rejected by her mother and Sean. Juliette burned down the trailer

      It's the same old yada yada yada. It's as though the only things people can come up with in order to show Juliette in a bad light (and thus show how great Adalind is), is to point out that Juliette betrayed Kelly and Juliette burned down the trailer.

      None of you looks at the reasons why this came to be. Instead you act as though Juliette just one day decided she was going to betray Kelly and burn down the trailer. I'm not arguing that Juliette did either of those things. She did. However, there were mitigating circumstances. In other words, because she helped Nick, she paid the price by becoming a hexenbiest. As a hexenbiest, she betrayed Kelly and burned down the trailer.

      She would have NEVER betrayed Kelly or burned down the trailer if she hadn't become a hexenbiest.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:

      She did kill Kelly and she did burn down the trailer. Because you can see here.

      • Kenneth: May I present Miss Juliette Silverton, without whose help this would not have been possible. Juliette, this is King Frederick Von—
      • Frederick: That's plenty. I cannot thank you enough. You will be well taken care of. A whole new life awaits you in Vienna. I have always had a soft spot for Hexenbiests. [To Diana] Look at you. You are so beautiful. Come give your grandfather a hug.

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      • Juliette: I didn't know Kenneth was gonna do that.
      • Nick: She trusted you.
      • Juliette: I know. I thought they just wanted Diana.
      • Nick: You betrayed her! [He grabs her and pins her against a wall to choke her]

      Where in any of this dialogue is there proof to show that Juliette killed Kelly? From what I see, it supports exactly what I stated. Juliette did not kill Kelly. She even states she didn't know Kenneth was going to "do that".

      And again, this is typical of those who favor the Adalind/Nick pairing. In other words, read more into the dialogue and scene than what was actually shown or stated, and come up with a silly statement that Juliette killed Kelly. Nowhere did Kenneth ever approach Juliette and ask her to kill Kelly. He did, however, enlist her help in getting Diana back.

      Which, by the way, is exactly what Juliette herself states:

      "I thought they WANTED Diana"

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    • You are overlooking that Juliette did agree to help Nick to be a Grimm again, when her memories were restored and she remembered Nick, she could had asked Nick to leave as the house was her house or she could had sold it to Nick and left. She was not forced by anyone.

      She was warned there are consequences to make Nick a Grimm and she thought that was worth the risk for Nick to be a Grimm again.

      While Adalind was forced by the Royals or she would never see her child again.

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    • Lucille55 wrote:
      Dragonfly82 wrote:

      She did kill Kelly and she did burn down the trailer. Because you can see here.

      • Kenneth: May I present Miss Juliette Silverton, without whose help this would not have been possible. Juliette, this is King Frederick Von—
      • Frederick: That's plenty. I cannot thank you enough. You will be well taken care of. A whole new life awaits you in Vienna. I have always had a soft spot for Hexenbiests. [To Diana] Look at you. You are so beautiful. Come give your grandfather a hug.

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      • Juliette: I didn't know Kenneth was gonna do that.
      • Nick: She trusted you.
      • Juliette: I know. I thought they just wanted Diana.
      • Nick: You betrayed her! [He grabs her and pins her against a wall to choke her]
      Where in any of this dialogue is there proof to show that Juliette killed Kelly? From what I see, it supports exactly what I stated. Juliette did not kill Kelly. She even states she didn't know Kenneth was going to "do that".

      And again, this is typical of those who favor the Adalind/Nick pairing. In other words, read more into the dialogue and scene than what was actually shown or stated, and come up with a silly statement that Juliette killed Kelly. Nowhere did Kenneth ever approach Juliette and ask her to kill Kelly. He did, however, enlist her help in getting Diana back.

      Which, by the way, is exactly what Juliette herself states:

      "I thought they WANTED Diana"

      She gave all the support Kenneth and the Royals and the Hundjägers would EVER need to get the child, and several neighbors were brutely murdered. Of course Kenneth would kill a Grimm and since it was Nick's mother who is also a Grimm. So why not end it all.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:
      You are overlooking that Juliette did agree to help Nick to be a Grimm again, when her memories were restored and she remembered Nick, she could had asked Nick to leave as the house was her house or she could had sold it to Nick and left. She was not forced by anyone.

      She was warned there are consequences to make Nick a Grimm and she thought that was worth the risk for Nick to be a Grimm again.

      While Adalind was forced by the Royals or she would never see her child again.

      I'm not overlooking a thing. I know exactly what Juliette did. I also know that Nick voiced concerns over the danger to Juliette of doing the spell and then when he realized how much HE wanted to be a Grimm again, he was suddenly willing to risk Juliette in the process. 

      As for Adalind, let's focus on her for a moment. This whole issue arose because she renigged on her deal to trade Diana for becoming a hexenbiest again. You noticed that she got her hexenbiest as part of the deal, then decided to run away with her baby. All Juliette and Kenneth were doing was finalizing the deal that Adalind herself made. 

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:
      She gave all the support Kenneth and the Royals and the Hundjägers would EVER need to get the child, and several neighbors were brutely murdered. Of course Kenneth would kill a Grimm and since it was Nick's mother who is also a Grimm. So why not end it all.

      Right. She gave support because the outcome of the plan was to retrieve Diana, who Kelly had taken. There's nothing in the dialogue stating she was aware the neighbors were going to be murdered.

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    • Lucille55 wrote:
      Marzarret wrote:
      Well, here's the thing, 20 years later, Adalind and Nick are still together. They'd already outlived their former relationships especially Nick's 6 years with Juliette. Reading between the lines and the unseen, if they didn't truly loved each other, having a son or not, they would have broke up during the prior years of the '20 years later'.
      Are they together 20 years later or is that something fans have implied?

      The writers themselves inferred it after the show ended.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:

      Lucille55 wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote:
      She tricked Kelly to come out from hiding and had Nick's mother killed and had her head in a box for Nick to see. How forgiving do you think he should be?
      100% forgiving.
      You are kidding, right?

      I do think Nick forgave Juliette. He had a greater sense of guilt over what happened to her. He believed she could have had a good life had it not been for him. When they were trapped in the other world, she set him straight. They both finally had a life they wanted for themselves, Nick had his new family. Juliette or rather Eve had found purpose and it was okay to be content about that.

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    • Lucille55 wrote:
      Dragonfly82 wrote:
      While you are splitting hairs, because Nick did not blame his actions when he was Zombie Grimm and when Sean was possessed by Jack the Ripper. Adalind did not split hairs while things she did was out of her control.
      Not at all. I just get tired of reading the same old replies from the people who favor the Nick/Adalind pairing. For example,

      Adlalind was a pawn, Juliette betrayed Kelly.

      Adalind was rejected by her mother and Sean. Juliette burned down the trailer

      It's the same old yada yada yada. It's as though the only things people can come up with in order to show Juliette in a bad light (and thus show how great Adalind is), is to point out that Juliette betrayed Kelly and Juliette burned down the trailer.

      None of you looks at the reasons why this came to be. Instead you act as though Juliette just one day decided she was going to betray Kelly and burn down the trailer. I'm not arguing that Juliette did either of those things. She did. However, there were mitigating circumstances. In other words, because she helped Nick, she paid the price by becoming a hexenbiest. As a hexenbiest, she betrayed Kelly and burned down the trailer.

      She would have NEVER betrayed Kelly or burned down the trailer if she hadn't become a hexenbiest.

      While I think the last statement may be true, I believe Nick and Juliette would have struggled to maintain their relationship for much longer regardless. Hexenbiest Juliette was finally venting over all the crap that happened between them, basically since Nick became a Grimm. Juliette had bottled up too much and the hexenbiest simply let it all out in the most destructive way imaginable. While he was powerless, you saw just how disconnected they had grown with what they desired for their relationship. Juliette was making way too many sacrifices for Nick and it finally came to head. Finding out about Adalind being pregnant with Nick's baby, would have broken the camel's back just the same, so instead of betraying Kelly and burning the trailer, she would have simply packed her bags and left. At least that's what I wanted for her, for the sake of her sanity.

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    • Lucille55 wrote:
      Dragonfly82 wrote:
      You are overlooking that Juliette did agree to help Nick to be a Grimm again, when her memories were restored and she remembered Nick, she could had asked Nick to leave as the house was her house or she could had sold it to Nick and left. She was not forced by anyone.

      She was warned there are consequences to make Nick a Grimm and she thought that was worth the risk for Nick to be a Grimm again.

      While Adalind was forced by the Royals or she would never see her child again.

      I'm not overlooking a thing. I know exactly what Juliette did. I also know that Nick voiced concerns over the danger to Juliette of doing the spell and then when he realized how much HE wanted to be a Grimm again, he was suddenly willing to risk Juliette in the process. 

      As for Adalind, let's focus on her for a moment. This whole issue arose because she renigged on her deal to trade Diana for becoming a hexenbiest again. You noticed that she got her hexenbiest as part of the deal, then decided to run away with her baby. All Juliette and Kenneth were doing was finalizing the deal that Adalind herself made. 

      Adalind did run away because Stefania was working for the Royals. She was betryaing Adalind. Juliette had no righ to be angry at something which she agreed to. Yes, he did choose to risk Juliette in the process, she did agree to do that as he did not drug her or force her.

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    • Lucille55 wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote:
      She gave all the support Kenneth and the Royals and the Hundjägers would EVER need to get the child, and several neighbors were brutely murdered. Of course Kenneth would kill a Grimm and since it was Nick's mother who is also a Grimm. So why not end it all.

      Right. She gave support because the outcome of the plan was to retrieve Diana, who Kelly had taken. There's nothing in the dialogue stating she was aware the neighbors were going to be murdered.

      Who cares? They did not ask for no reason. Of course, they would kill them so they could spy on Kelly.

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    • Rpmaluki wrote:

      Lucille55 wrote:
      Dragonfly82 wrote:
      While you are splitting hairs, because Nick did not blame his actions when he was Zombie Grimm and when Sean was possessed by Jack the Ripper. Adalind did not split hairs while things she did was out of her control.
      Not at all. I just get tired of reading the same old replies from the people who favor the Nick/Adalind pairing. For example,

      Adlalind was a pawn, Juliette betrayed Kelly.

      Adalind was rejected by her mother and Sean. Juliette burned down the trailer

      It's the same old yada yada yada. It's as though the only things people can come up with in order to show Juliette in a bad light (and thus show how great Adalind is), is to point out that Juliette betrayed Kelly and Juliette burned down the trailer.

      None of you looks at the reasons why this came to be. Instead you act as though Juliette just one day decided she was going to betray Kelly and burn down the trailer. I'm not arguing that Juliette did either of those things. She did. However, there were mitigating circumstances. In other words, because she helped Nick, she paid the price by becoming a hexenbiest. As a hexenbiest, she betrayed Kelly and burned down the trailer.

      She would have NEVER betrayed Kelly or burned down the trailer if she hadn't become a hexenbiest.

      While I think the last statement may be true, I believe Nick and Juliette would have struggled to maintain their relationship for much longer regardless. Hexenbiest Juliette was finally venting over all the crap that happened between them, basically since Nick became a Grimm. Juliette had bottled up too much and the hexenbiest simply let it all out in the most destructive way imaginable. While he was powerless, you saw just how disconnected they had grown with what they desired for their relationship. Juliette was making way too many sacrifices for Nick and it finally came to head. Finding out about Adalind being pregnant with Nick's baby, would have broken the camel's back just the same, so instead of betraying Kelly and burning the trailer, she would have simply packed her bags and left. At least that's what I wanted for her, for the sake of her sanity.

      She would had killed Nick if it was not for Trubel and likely left for Vienna to work for the Royals.

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    • Rpmaluki wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote:

      Lucille55 wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote:
      She tricked Kelly to come out from hiding and had Nick's mother killed and had her head in a box for Nick to see. How forgiving do you think he should be?
      100% forgiving.
      You are kidding, right?

      I do think Nick forgave Juliette. He had a greater sense of guilt over what happened to her. He believed she could have had a good life had it not been for him. When they were trapped in the other world, she set him straight. They both finally had a life they wanted for themselves, Nick had his new family. Juliette or rather Eve had found purpose and it was okay to be content about that.

      She had many times to leave and she did not leave him.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:

      Rpmaluki wrote:

      Lucille55 wrote:
      Dragonfly82 wrote:
      While you are splitting hairs, because Nick did not blame his actions when he was Zombie Grimm and when Sean was possessed by Jack the Ripper. Adalind did not split hairs while things she did was out of her control.
      Not at all. I just get tired of reading the same old replies from the people who favor the Nick/Adalind pairing. For example,

      Adlalind was a pawn, Juliette betrayed Kelly.

      Adalind was rejected by her mother and Sean. Juliette burned down the trailer

      It's the same old yada yada yada. It's as though the only things people can come up with in order to show Juliette in a bad light (and thus show how great Adalind is), is to point out that Juliette betrayed Kelly and Juliette burned down the trailer.

      None of you looks at the reasons why this came to be. Instead you act as though Juliette just one day decided she was going to betray Kelly and burn down the trailer. I'm not arguing that Juliette did either of those things. She did. However, there were mitigating circumstances. In other words, because she helped Nick, she paid the price by becoming a hexenbiest. As a hexenbiest, she betrayed Kelly and burned down the trailer.

      She would have NEVER betrayed Kelly or burned down the trailer if she hadn't become a hexenbiest.

      While I think the last statement may be true, I believe Nick and Juliette would have struggled to maintain their relationship for much longer regardless. Hexenbiest Juliette was finally venting over all the crap that happened between them, basically since Nick became a Grimm. Juliette had bottled up too much and the hexenbiest simply let it all out in the most destructive way imaginable. While he was powerless, you saw just how disconnected they had grown with what they desired for their relationship. Juliette was making way too many sacrifices for Nick and it finally came to head. Finding out about Adalind being pregnant with Nick's baby, would have broken the camel's back just the same, so instead of betraying Kelly and burning the trailer, she would have simply packed her bags and left. At least that's what I wanted for her, for the sake of her sanity.
      She would had killed Nick if it was not for Trubel and likely left for Vienna to work for the Royals.

      I'm talking about a Juliette that doesn't becoming a hexenbiest at all. The relationship would have ended no matter what.

      Hexenbiest would have killed Nick had Trubel not stopped her.

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    • Rpmaluki wrote:
      Lucille55 wrote:
      Marzarret wrote:
      Well, here's the thing, 20 years later, Adalind and Nick are still together. They'd already outlived their former relationships especially Nick's 6 years with Juliette. Reading between the lines and the unseen, if they didn't truly loved each other, having a son or not, they would have broke up during the prior years of the '20 years later'.
      Are they together 20 years later or is that something fans have implied?
      The writers themselves inferred it after the show ended.

      I wonder why the writers didn't just come right out and admit it.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:

      Lucille55 wrote:

      Dragonfly82 wrote:
      She gave all the support Kenneth and the Royals and the Hundjägers would EVER need to get the child, and several neighbors were brutely murdered. Of course Kenneth would kill a Grimm and since it was Nick's mother who is also a Grimm. So why not end it all.
      Right. She gave support because the outcome of the plan was to retrieve Diana, who Kelly had taken. There's nothing in the dialogue stating she was aware the neighbors were going to be murdered.
      Who cares? They did not ask for no reason. Of course, they would kill them so they could spy on Kelly.

      You apparently care a great deal, or you wouldn't be so keen on blaming Juliette for all of it. 

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    • Rpmaluki wrote:

      While I think the last statement may be true, I believe Nick and Juliette would have struggled to maintain their relationship for much longer regardless. Hexenbiest Juliette was finally venting over all the crap that happened between them, basically since Nick became a Grimm. Juliette had bottled up too much and the hexenbiest simply let it all out in the most destructive way imaginable. While he was powerless, you saw just how disconnected they had grown with what they desired for their relationship. Juliette was making way too many sacrifices for Nick and it finally came to head. Finding out about Adalind being pregnant with Nick's baby, would have broken the camel's back just the same, so instead of betraying Kelly and burning the trailer, she would have simply packed her bags and left. At least that's what I wanted for her, for the sake of her sanity.

      I'm not a great fan of the Juliette/Nick relationship, but then I'm not a fan of the Nick/Adalind relationship either. I will say that while Nick and Juliette were never portrayed as a great loving couple, they often shined as a couple. I can see why you think there was a disconnect when Nick lost his powers, but I see it differently. If such a disconnect occurred, Juliette would have never offered to sacrifice herself to give Nick his powers back. That actually shows a real connection between the couple. The writers decided to throw a wrench into the works by making Juliette turn hexenbiest, but who knows what would have happened had she just remained human. 

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    • Lucille55 wrote:
      Rpmaluki wrote:
      Lucille55 wrote:
      Marzarret wrote:
      Well, here's the thing, 20 years later, Adalind and Nick are still together. They'd already outlived their former relationships especially Nick's 6 years with Juliette. Reading between the lines and the unseen, if they didn't truly loved each other, having a son or not, they would have broke up during the prior years of the '20 years later'.
      Are they together 20 years later or is that something fans have implied?
      The writers themselves inferred it after the show ended.
      I wonder why the writers didn't just come right out and admit it.

      I think they wanted an ambiguous ending.

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    • Lucille55 wrote:
      Dragonfly82 wrote:

      Lucille55 wrote:


      Dragonfly82 wrote:
      She gave all the support Kenneth and the Royals and the Hundjägers would EVER need to get the child, and several neighbors were brutely murdered. Of course Kenneth would kill a Grimm and since it was Nick's mother who is also a Grimm. So why not end it all.
      Right. She gave support because the outcome of the plan was to retrieve Diana, who Kelly had taken. There's nothing in the dialogue stating she was aware the neighbors were going to be murdered.
      Who cares? They did not ask for no reason. Of course, they would kill them so they could spy on Kelly.
      You apparently care a great deal, or you wouldn't be so keen on blaming Juliette for all of it. 

      She is to be blamed on it. She gave her censent to helping Nick be a Grimm again.

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    • Lucille55 wrote:
      Rpmaluki wrote:

      While I think the last statement may be true, I believe Nick and Juliette would have struggled to maintain their relationship for much longer regardless. Hexenbiest Juliette was finally venting over all the crap that happened between them, basically since Nick became a Grimm. Juliette had bottled up too much and the hexenbiest simply let it all out in the most destructive way imaginable. While he was powerless, you saw just how disconnected they had grown with what they desired for their relationship. Juliette was making way too many sacrifices for Nick and it finally came to head. Finding out about Adalind being pregnant with Nick's baby, would have broken the camel's back just the same, so instead of betraying Kelly and burning the trailer, she would have simply packed her bags and left. At least that's what I wanted for her, for the sake of her sanity.

      I'm not a great fan of the Juliette/Nick relationship, but then I'm not a fan of the Nick/Adalind relationship either. I will say that while Nick and Juliette were never portrayed as a great loving couple, they often shined as a couple. I can see why you think there was a disconnect when Nick lost his powers, but I see it differently. If such a disconnect occurred, Juliette would have never offered to sacrifice herself to give Nick his powers back. That actually shows a real connection between the couple. The writers decided to throw a wrench into the works by making Juliette turn hexenbiest, but who knows what would have happened had she just remained human. 

      Funny thing about the Nick and Adalind canon shipping was due to Claire's real life pregnancy. If she didn't got pregnant and the writers didn't incorporate it to the show, who knows what could have become of Nick and Juliette's relationship. Maybe they could have stayed together. However, the happenings in the real life are what dictates of Nick and Adalind's story which is impressive given that their shipping had a huge fanbase which is even far larger than Nick/Juliette even during the times that they together during the earlier seasons of the show.

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    • Awww. She was really pregnant.

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    • Marzarret wrote:
      Lucille55 wrote:
      Rpmaluki wrote:

      While I think the last statement may be true, I believe Nick and Juliette would have struggled to maintain their relationship for much longer regardless. Hexenbiest Juliette was finally venting over all the crap that happened between them, basically since Nick became a Grimm. Juliette had bottled up too much and the hexenbiest simply let it all out in the most destructive way imaginable. While he was powerless, you saw just how disconnected they had grown with what they desired for their relationship. Juliette was making way too many sacrifices for Nick and it finally came to head. Finding out about Adalind being pregnant with Nick's baby, would have broken the camel's back just the same, so instead of betraying Kelly and burning the trailer, she would have simply packed her bags and left. At least that's what I wanted for her, for the sake of her sanity.

      I'm not a great fan of the Juliette/Nick relationship, but then I'm not a fan of the Nick/Adalind relationship either. I will say that while Nick and Juliette were never portrayed as a great loving couple, they often shined as a couple. I can see why you think there was a disconnect when Nick lost his powers, but I see it differently. If such a disconnect occurred, Juliette would have never offered to sacrifice herself to give Nick his powers back. That actually shows a real connection between the couple. The writers decided to throw a wrench into the works by making Juliette turn hexenbiest, but who knows what would have happened had she just remained human. 
      Funny thing about the Nick and Adalind canon shipping was due to Claire's real life pregnancy. If she didn't got pregnant and the writers didn't incorporate it to the show, who knows what could have become of Nick and Juliette's relationship. Maybe they could have stayed together. However, the happenings in the real life are what dictates of Nick and Adalind's story which is impressive given that their shipping had a huge fanbase which is even far larger than Nick/Juliette even during the times that they together during the earlier seasons of the show.

      I'm not so sure it was a larger fanbase. It could very well be that the Nick/Adalind fans just crowed louder or were more likely to participate in polls.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:
      Awww. She was really pregnant.

      Yeah, and supposedly there should be a scene where Adalind get into labor during the Season 4 finale but was never realized because Claire got into an actual labor.

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    • Lucille55 wrote:
      Rpmaluki wrote:

      While I think the last statement may be true, I believe Nick and Juliette would have struggled to maintain their relationship for much longer regardless. Hexenbiest Juliette was finally venting over all the crap that happened between them, basically since Nick became a Grimm. Juliette had bottled up too much and the hexenbiest simply let it all out in the most destructive way imaginable. While he was powerless, you saw just how disconnected they had grown with what they desired for their relationship. Juliette was making way too many sacrifices for Nick and it finally came to head. Finding out about Adalind being pregnant with Nick's baby, would have broken the camel's back just the same, so instead of betraying Kelly and burning the trailer, she would have simply packed her bags and left. At least that's what I wanted for her, for the sake of her sanity.

      I'm not a great fan of the Juliette/Nick relationship, but then I'm not a fan of the Nick/Adalind relationship either. I will say that while Nick and Juliette were never portrayed as a great loving couple, they often shined as a couple. I can see why you think there was a disconnect when Nick lost his powers, but I see it differently. If such a disconnect occurred, Juliette would have never offered to sacrifice herself to give Nick his powers back. That actually shows a real connection between the couple. The writers decided to throw a wrench into the works by making Juliette turn hexenbiest, but who knows what would have happened had she just remained human. 

      By the time she made the decision to help Nick, it was due to Monroe and Rosalee being harrassed but that racist cult. An outside force leading her to that point. Her initial feeling regarding Nick getting his abilities back was that she didn't want him to. She had requested M&R not to look for a cure and felt it was a second chance of sorts for her and Nick, to be without the drama Nick's Grimm brought into their lives. Nick on the other hand wanted his powers back but also wanted to please her so he followed her lead, despite feeling like a big part of himself was missing. Like I said, there was a disconnect. They weren't communicating, an essential part of a healthy relationship. And honestly they struggled in this area quite a bit starting in S1 and in S4, it was more so. You see the result of which with Hexenbiest Juliette losing it. They loved one another but sucked at actually being together. I couldn't wait for the relationship to end. I just wish it happened sooner and more amicably.

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    • Rpmaluki wrote:
      By the time she made the decision to help Nick, it was due to Monroe and Rosalee being harrassed but that racist cult. An outside force leading her to that point. Her initial feeling regarding Nick getting his abilities back was that she didn't want him to. She had requested M&R not to look for a cure and felt it was a second chance of sorts for her and Nick, to be without the drama Nick's Grimm brought into their lives. Nick on the other hand wanted his powers back but also wanted to please her so he followed her lead, despite feeling like a big part of himself was missing. Like I said, there was a disconnect. They weren't communicating, an essential part of a healthy relationship. And honestly they struggled in this area quite a bit starting in S1 and in S4, it was more so. You see the result of which with Hexenbiest Juliette losing it. They loved one another but sucked at actually being together. I couldn't wait for the relationship to end. I just wish it happened sooner and more amicably.

      I see why you see it as a disconnect. But I do not. Monroe and Rosalee are merely external forces, for when it comes down to it, the real sacrifice lay with Juliette. And the sacrifice Juliette made was strictly for Nick, for it's his decision on how to help Monroe and Rosalee as he's the Grimm in all of this. The fact that Juliette was willing to do what she did for Nick proves to me that there was no disconnect between them.

      I can't count hexenbiest Juliette in all of this because in my opinion, she was a completely different entity than her totally human counterpart.

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    • Marzarret wrote:
      Funny thing about the Nick and Adalind canon shipping was due to Claire's real life pregnancy. If she didn't got pregnant and the writers didn't incorporate it to the show, who knows what could have become of Nick and Juliette's relationship. Maybe they could have stayed together. However, the happenings in the real life are what dictates of Nick and Adalind's story which is impressive given that their shipping had a huge fanbase which is even far larger than Nick/Juliette even during the times that they together during the earlier seasons of the show.

      I understood Claire's pregnancy/Nick is the father was written into the storyline because it gave the Adalind character something to do.  

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    • Besides, Adalind did confess her actions and did redeem herself while Eve did say that Juliette would not care.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:
      Besides, Adalind did confess her actions and did redeem herself while Eve did say that Juliette would not care.

      Adalind apologized to Eve for what she did to her. However, Eve did not acknowledge the apology. It seems like Eve did not forgive her.

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    • 72.213.50.19 wrote:
      Dragonfly82 wrote:
      Besides, Adalind did confess her actions and did redeem herself while Eve did say that Juliette would not care.
      Adalind apologized to Eve for what she did to her. However, Eve did not acknowledge the apology. It seems like Eve did not forgive her.

      No, that's not the reason. As Eve is concerned she is not Juliette so it is weird for her with Team Grimm talking with her as Juliette.

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    • Dragonfly82 wrote:
      No, that's not the reason. As Eve is concerned she is not Juliette so it is weird for her with Team Grimm talking with her as Juliette.

      I don't remember Eve saying anything about being concerned that she was not Juliette. I think it may be for a different reason. Eve has already been healed by the stick, so she has feelings, according to her, a lot of them. Yet when Adalind apologizes, Eve doesn't forgive her or even acknowledge the apology. I don't think it's due to her feeling weird about not being Juliette because Eve never felt weird about Juliette and later on, acknowledges that she can't go back to being Juliette. I just think Eve doesn't trust Adalind, hexenbiest to hexenbiest.

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    • Adalind caused every downfall happening from the start, she having nicks baby doesn't mean she and Nick could end up being together,she also had something to do with the death of Nick's aunt so why would nick even think of having any feelings for her, if he can't end up with Juliette because she killed his mum then I felt he should just be alone and not building any family with adalind.Nick is also to be blamed for keeping secrets from his so called girlfriend from the onstart.i wished he could end things up with Juliette cos she wasn't herself when she was doing all those bad things

      Edit: Do NOT use language banned on this wiki. Thank you

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    • Putting Nick together with Adalind makes Nick appear gullible, I think.

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    • 84.241.207.20 wrote:
      Also, I HATE the idea of Nick and Adelind together. But... They both are really independent people and would be fine with having their own lives as a priority and a family life as a second. It would be scrued up!!! BUT it could work.

      If that ever happens, I'll stop watching though. Juliette is much more interesting. Especially if she gets her Juliette personality back in combination with Eves fierceness!!I'm 

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    • I'm agree. The writer, please get Juliette back to Nick. In season 2 , Nick says " I never stop loving you... " . Please make this word true.

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    • Hi, new fan here who just recently finished the series a couple of days ago lol.

      I came searching for answers cuz I was really unsatisfied with the end ship and I am quite amused by how much I am seeing a 50/50 likeness of fans here on which pairing they prefer.

      I on the other hand prefer Nick/Juliette. They just seem to fit so perfectly well and better than, Nick did with Adalind. With Adalind it felt rushed and the normal procedure of what girls do of "I'm pregnant with your baby, you need to love me and take responsibility." that kind of shenanigan. Also, I'm on board with the rape case on this. Even if Nick did willingly say yes to the sex, it was a yes to Juliette, not Adalind. Had he known, it would've been a flat "Heck no."

      And now don't get me wrong, I don't hate Adalind, just thoroughly annoyed with her. And I actually can give her some kudos on the fact that she tried to be a good mother to her children. I tried to understand her on that part cuz, I'm still young and ya'll know what everybody says about the sacrifices parents make for their children lol so in a way, I tried to rationilized everything she did for her children.

      Still did not sit well with me, but she's a neutral on my book anyways lol

      Then, with Juliette. I have to admit her relationship with Nick ran rather stale for a couple of seasons. And then, I thoroughly disliked her at s2 because of how horribly she treated Nick. Like yeah, we all know she has amnesia but come on, the dude's trying and giving his best, she should at least try some more as well. Or maybe she did try but it was still too awkward and such for her.

      I can't fault her too much but at the same time, you can't help but get pissed at her actions still.

      And then, moving on to more of their faults. Nick has his own faults too, he's too heroic I guess? Too much of a saviour for everyone that he does sometimes lose focus of those around him. He also has a demanding attitude to him when it comes to help. Like, I know Monroe is his bestfriend and that lives are at a stake here but... He sometimes has no disregard for other people, sometimes his needs are at a priority even when those needs are for saving people. Bottomline is, he cares too much about the community that he doesn't realize how careless he can be sometimes until it's too late.

      Oh btw, one more thing I noticed in the thread is that people saying that Juliette became selfish when she only offered to help Nick get his grimm back when Monroe and Rosalee were being harrassed already. In all honesty, I saw nothing wrong with that. They didn't know at that time yet how horrible the world was becoming, Juliette thought that maybe there were still more grimms in the world and that maybe, one less grimm was alright just so she and Nick could have a normal life. They had tried it for a few weeks, they didn't deliberately stop trying to fix the problem.

      Now back to Juliette, cuz I really loved her when she became a Hexenbiest lol I think the Hexenbiest part of her was a really interesting take and made Juliette and even better character. Yes, given that she betrayed, become a bltch, then had Kelly killed. We also can't forget the fact that being a Hexenbiest makes you like that.Juliette is a new Hexenbiest who knows nothing on how to control her new self. And besides, it's normal for someone to want to kill the person who their s/o cheated on with, most especially had a baby with. But, the difference is the thought and action. Anyone would think like that but, not a lot of people would act upon it. But, given the circumstances of Juliette being a newborn Hexenbiest, I let it slide like 50% lol

      Only 50% cuz she has yet to really apologize for killing Kelly and such.

      The saying is true, hell hath no fury like a woman scorned lol

      In my opinion, the only difference between Adalind and Juliette (Hexenbiest) is that Adalind wasn't successful with her kills and Juliette was. Adalind literally tried to kill Nick and everyone because of just who he is and that is their way in general, how she was raised. Juliette on the other hand, killed because of not only revenge but also because she still could not control the Hexenbiest in her. If Juliette had not become Eve, then I think she and Nick really would have ended.

      I think Nick held onto Adalind because he thinks Juliette doesn't love him anymore and that Adalind gave him what he and Juliette couldn't have, a family. Adalind would hold onto Nick because she gave him a sense of security and safety. In my opinion, Nick loved both women but, with Adalind he loved her in a sense that she was the mother of his child. I think, instead of truly loving her as his lover, he loved her because she gave him what he wanted, what he thought he couldn't have with Juliette. And so, he held onto that because he didn't want to lose them the same way he lost Juliette.

      Also, I love one of the comments here saying that Adalind loved Nick because she needed him but, Juliette loved Nick because she wanted him.

      Besides, in the long run both relationships would've been really toxic anyways given the psychological rappor between the two so either way I'm good lol I just prefer the psychological damage and toxicity with Nick and Juliette bwuahahahahaha but also at the same time I think their love for each other is stronger than, that of Adalind and Nick who just had a baby together then, developed feelings lol not really a good grounds for starting a relationship, statistically a lot of couples break up and/or leave a child scarred if they decided to get together just for a baby. 

      Ohhhh last but not least, I still stand firm on the idea that Nick and Adalind did not last after 20 years lol it was such an open ending, like yeah I know Diana saying "Mom and Dad" were waiting for them but, that was all. No indication otherwise.

      That's all, thanks so much for reading my non-sense Ted Talk/Comment lol

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    • I saw the whole Nick and Adalind thing right from the start. Don't forget she was the first ever volga he saw, and before she volged, he was looking at her like he was attracted to her. If Adalind never tried to kill his aunt Marie who knows if they would of gotten together sooner.

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    • 92.1.12.69 wrote:
      I saw the whole Nick and Adalind thing right from the start. Don't forget she was the first ever volga he saw, and before she volged, he was looking at her like he was attracted to her. If Adalind never tried to kill his aunt Marie who knows if they would of gotten together sooner.


      In my opinion, seeing each other like first woge and first time seeing a grimm isn't that important. Not everyone ends up with their first love. Pushing on that one scene gives it that first love feel of teenagers and such. Let's not forget that Nick and Juliette were already a couple for 3 years and living together. Nick was literally supposed to propose to Juliette already if it wasn't for his grimm.

      Saying that if Adalind hadn't tried to kill aunt Marie they would've gotten together sooner kinda makes it valid that if Nick in the first hadn;t even gotten his grimm, he and Juliette would've already been a happily married couple.

      Still gonna stand by the idea that Nick only held onto Adalind because he was convinced that Juliette wants nothing to do with him and that Adalind gave him the family he dreamed of having with Juliette in the first place.

      Take out Kelly of the equation, and Nick and Adalind never would have even saw each other in that light. Hell, Adalind and Renard might have even become end game if she hadn't become pregnant with Kelly.

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    • 92.1.12.69 wrote:
      I saw the whole Nick and Adalind thing right from the start. Don't forget she was the first ever volga he saw, and before she volged, he was looking at her like he was attracted to her. If Adalind never tried to kill his aunt Marie who knows if they would of gotten together sooner.

      Hank was looking at her that way too. Look what happened to him. 

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    • I agree with all of this. I'd add that Adaliind was on eggshells was because her Hexenbiest powers had come back and she was apprehensive about how he'd react given what happened to Juliette. When she finally did tell him he reassured her that he would never hurt her because he would not leave his son without mother like he had been.. After this she was much more certain about his love for her even during the whole Black Claw./ Renard thing. Because she had been honest with him he realized he could trust her so during the Black Claw ordeal he never doubted her motivatiions  for leaving as being anything other than what she told him they were in that note she left saying she neeeded to protect him and her kids. 

      41.13.18.130 wrote:
      Saying ILY in S5 was definitely rushed and as emotional as Adalind was, it was still very too soon and they were only just getting to know one another in their new circumstance that didn't involve hurting one another, hence Nick never reciprocated and that was the right call on Nick's behalf. I would not have expected him to act differently. Nick couldn't articulate his feelings for Adalind when Monroe asked him but he certainly felt something for her. Honestly, I have always believed he found her attractive (their first scene together) but they made the worst first impression with the whole Grimm vs Hexenbiest thing exercebated by Adalind doing Sean;s bidding in S1 and working with the Royals between s2 and S4. Whatever he felt in S5, I believe that only intensified when he "lost" her to Renard and his rigged mayoral campaign. You never know what you've got until its gone and all that.

      The Nick in S6 is one that is much surer of his feelings for her and the moment to tell her didn't present itself for whatever reason until they faced down the possible end of the world and Nick did the exact same thing Adalind did in S5. However, him saying ILY then didn't feel as rushed or out of nowhere by comparison. Even the way he said it, it seemed like a great weight had come off his shoulders since he'd been holding on to that confession for too long and Adalind didn't even come across as surprised that he'd said probably because Nick is better at expressing himself with action than with words, lol. In all of S6, Adalind didn't act like she doubted what was between them as we saw her often in the second half of S5, where she was constantly walking on eggshells around him regarding their almost relationship.

      Was he waiting for the perfect moment to say it and it just never came? Nick has almost always been going from one crisis to another crisis since the show began. The difference between him with Juliette and him with Adalind is that he didn't meet Juliette when his life was in turmoil compared to Adalind. With the latter, it was hardly the best of time to begin a romantic relationship where they could do things the right way round like actually go on dates and all that. Their most romantic time together was hijacked by a disgruntled hotel staff bent on exacting revenge on the cop that arrested his father years ago. The oddest thing is that this would always be Nick's life, dealing with wesen crisis at the most inconvenient of times and Juliette couldn't handle the strain on their relationship as a result compared to Adalind, who was a wesen and understood even if they were from two opposing sides as Hexenbiest and Grimm. They were unconventional, this imo doesn't negate any strong feelings they had for one another. In fact they were the most unconventional couple I have ever witnessed on screen, sometimes real life works the same and doesn't follow a set script of relationship expectation. I have no problems with them being in love with one another at all. In many ways it's a tv trope of enemies turned loves but in other ways it isn't because of its execution, intentional or not (with these writer, I can't tell) and I liked that about them.

      As for whether they were fated or not, I'm of two minds. The show never explicitly said they were. However, a lot of what happened in S6 ended up hinging on what came before. I don't believe the writers planned it that way, or else they did a crappy job of it. I do think that without meaning too, the writers kept Nick and Adalind tied together in some form or another since the moment they first laid eyes on one another. I think as viewers if we want to connect the dots, it's not so hard to link everything up, it doesn't make for one tiny pretty bow but there's something there nonetheless. Like they said, they were each other's firsts, the both stripped each other of powers and come from difficult backgrounds. There was that weird vision link during S4, both Kellys, even Diana who got weirdly attached to Nick's photo hanging on his mother's chain, you get the picture, pain, shared circumstances have forced them to adapt and grow that ultimately led them to each other. I know Monroe mentions fate at the end of S6, it is the simplest way to explain everything that happened in every season leading up to the end but I also feel it's a latent hand wave from the writers to unmuddy the waters.

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    • nick is stronger alone. the devil can tell you that.

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    • 2601:140:4102:AE0:0:0:0:3 wrote:
      nick is stronger alone. the devil can tell you that.

      I like this statement....a lot! I never understood why he had to be paired up with anyone. 

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    • 2601:140:4102:AE0:0:0:0:3 wrote:
      nick is stronger alone. the devil can tell you that.


      This has nothing to do with how good he is at hunting criminal wesens tho... This is basically just theories and such about the relation ships of characters... And whether it was more logical and psychologically healthy for Nick to end up with either girls. Or for the girls to end up with Nick vice versa.

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    • 49.144.8.135 wrote:
      This has nothing to do with how good he is at hunting criminal wesens tho... This is basically just theories and such about the relation ships of characters... And whether it was more logical and psychologically healthy for Nick to end up with either girls. Or for the girls to end up with Nick vice versa.

      Juliette is one thing. She and Nick picked each other out and we don't know the basics of how they formed a couple. But I think Nick limiting himself to Adalind just because she has his baby a very odd aspect to the series.  

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    • Lucille55 wrote:

      Juliette is one thing. She and Nick picked each other out and we don't know the basics of how they formed a couple. But I think Nick limiting himself to Adalind just because she has his baby a very odd aspect to the series.  

      It's not a rare occurrence for a man to stay with a woman for the sake of family/their child. Many men are trapped in marriage for the sake of their children and it's not rare for women as well to drop the baby thing for men to stay with them.

      And regarding someone like Nick, he's a person who's very responsible with high regards to discipline and **** like that. As we can see from the series, he's a family guy who has a history of a broken or well almost-absent family. If we look at it on a psychological point of view, he has two ways: either stay together with the woman who's the mother of his child or end up broken like his family.

      And broken family does not pertain to just divorce and all that, I'm not sure for the term to use there (so please excuse my use of the term broken family) but, the possibility of him thinking he would not be able to protect his family if they were not together is high. So he has a lot to lose if he does not stay with Adalind.

      In all honesty, I think Nick and Adalind could love each other. But, with Juliette still alive and in the picture? We all can't deny the fact that if Nick was given the chance he would still choose her. If it wasn't for all the other factors of course: a.k.a. his son and the family he always wanted (and prob really wanted to have with Juliette if given the choice)

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    • Riyu von Julai wrote:
      It's not a rare occurrence for a man to stay with a woman for the sake of family/their child. Many men are trapped in marriage for the sake of their children and it's not rare for women as well to drop the baby thing for men to stay with them.
      Adalind bargained her way into Nick's life by offering the suppression potion in exchange for protection. Both Nick and Adalind made a fatal mistake in their bargain. Nick should have protected her, but was not forced to do so by giving her free reign of his house and then later, the fome. If Adalind had any fears of the fome, she should have put her baby first and overcome them rather than asking Nick to come and sleep with her. 

      Nick crippled Adalind by giving in to her fears and not allowing her to get on with her own life and support her children. Adalind crippled Nick by hanging on to him rather than by winning back her independence. 

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