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  • I have reason to believe this piece of wood may be a sliver of the spear that pierced Jesus' side during his execution as it was discovered by the knights templar in one of romes holyiest cities. Any more thoughts? 

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    • Spear of Destiny, huh? I know Renard mentioned the story of how the treasure could be a piece of the cross that Christ was crucified on. Perhaps the magic either way would come from Christ's blood having seeped into the wood, which absorbed it.

      Imagine if Christ was depicted as Wesen, or something similar to Wesen but isn't like the Mexican ghost lady, La Llorona.

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    • Whatever that thing is, one thing's certain: That stick is definitely more than it looks.

      The ancient people weren't kidding when they say "Don't judge a book by its cover"; the ordinary look of this buried treasure could very well be just a way to throw audience off - an enemy underestimated is one to lose to. Think about it - if the stick really is just an ordinary healing item, then why the efforts? Even at 800 years ago people would still be massively using them(at least I would) - Common sense: the Crusaders would probably went ahead and use them in the armies for medical purposes and made their armies invincible already - they wouldn't be so scared of it and lock it in a box openable only to seven specific keys and a Grimm's blood, then bury it behind a bunch of dead people underground in the middle of nowhere!

      Can't shake the feeling that the stick is like some sort of charge-o'-meter - it heals wounds and illnesses, sure, but every time it heals it absorbs the... disease or injuries or whatever and charges up, and when it heals to a certain amount and the charge is complete it'll unleash a big wave of plague and... whatever comes next.

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    • Considering the time it was hidden people were very superstious and run by fear. If a person healed they could be called a false prophet or witch and come to a bad end.

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    • Good thoughts in this thread. Allegedly, what was hidden away was something so incredibly powerful that, in the wrong hands, it could disasterous. A stick that only heals doesn't really it the bill. Perhaps, in the hands of a Grimm it will do both heal and kill (or injure). Or, maybe it depends on the intention of the one who wields the stick. It does evil OR goood... I'm liking the later.

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    • I wonder if there will be an Epic battle between BC and HW, then Nick will have the stick with him or maybe read a ritual and could make him almost invincible, not totally just heals/regenerates very fast.   Cause the way I see it, Nick, HW and the gang seems to be fighting a losing battle. 

      Maybe Nick can wield the power of the Stick. 

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    • I was guessing it might be some kind of Christian Relic too.

      And I was thinking "why all the fuss over a healing stick?" as well. It has to have more significance than that. Is it like the ring of power, in that it has a mundane'ish ability (invisibility for the ring, healing for the stick) but is part of something much larger?

      Cynical me thinks: writer's get of jail free card. A mcguffin with undefined power and importance that can provide a Deus ex machina solution to an inconvenient plot point.

      Hopeful me: something like the ring of power that went unnoticed in the back ground that will be pivotal to the core story by the end.

      The way the wessen priest reacted when he saw where Nick and Monroe had been tells me he might turn up again with some answers. Or that the stick's true significance is known and will be revealed eventually.

      -DavicusPrime

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    • New thought 1...  The royals wanted the stick really baddly.  Baddly enough to hunt down and kill the grimms that had the keys.  The royals want control over wessen (and everyone else too, I suppose).

      What if the stick allows it's owner to control wessen (Another ring of power parallel)?  Having someone as powerful as Diana under your thumb wouldn't be quite so scary if you have the magic wand of wessen mind control.

      New Thought 2...  What if the stick doesn't just heal, but makes the holder stop aging?  A healing wand of immortality?  I totally understand why a King in a hereditary dynasty would want immortality.  It becomes like the effect of a star's heart in Stardust.  Not just king, but king forever.

      -DavicusPrime

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    • Here's a thought of how it might come back into play, in addition to helping Wu with lycanthropy:

      The extended trailer for the finale shows Bonaparte apparently turning Adalind to stone. If it's not a temporary show/warning of power but punishment for say, helping Nick, perhaps Nick could use the stick to bring her back, either in the finale or season six.

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    • The Holy Stick must be put in the ass of Bomaparte until his death!

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    • Monroe was talking about the local people being slaughtered in the black forest when he and Nick were searching the area. Then they find the box in the catacombs where likely some of  those people are interred. Sounds and looks like a hint to the power of the stick to help win a battle by decimating a large number of people in some way perhap with just a thought while holding it. That is what Nick was doing when he healed Monroe thinking of doing just that. Strong emotion plus stick equals results and the thought determines the action.

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    • I don't think so. The stick was found in Constantinople and buried in Wolfach, so it likely was already healing before it was buried in the catacombs.

      If it is a piece of Jesus's cross, I'm wondering, are they going to go all biblical and say he actually is the son of God, or is he going to be just a Wesen that is now extinct?

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    • Went back to Key Move and what Monroe was talking about was the German peasants war 1524 - 1526 so that would be 400 years after the Crusades. Place and time do not add up so that particular instanxe is no good. Still the theory of how it works could  be relevant. We do know that holding the stick is possibly a catalyst to activating it, what it can do is still the question. I do like the idea that strong emotion can result in realization of thought. It is a simple and logical possibility.

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    • Secret Grimm wrote:
      Went back to Key Move and what Monroe was talking about was the German peasants war 1524 - 1526 so that would be 400 years after the Crusades. Place and time do not add up so that particular instanxe is no good. Still the theory of how it works could  be relevant. We do know that holding the stick is possibly a catalyst to activating it, what it can do is still the question. I do like the idea that strong emotion can result in realization of thought. It is a simple and logical possibility.

      Monroe was just talking more about a history lesson for Nick not much about the stick or "what they were looking for that time".  Monroe was babling because he was uncomfortable. 

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    • Ok here is another assumption about the Stick, which I mentioned in the other thread.

      Maybe the reason why Royals and others desperately wanted the Stick is because it has both healing and possibly make someone a Wesen.  Because of this that's why the Grimm protected it with their lives? Cause lets face it the Grimm would have a huge challenge when every human can be converted to Wesen?

      Cause what if they kill someone soon and then use the stick to resurect the person AKA Hank but he will be something else or a Wesen?

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    • It would seem the stick can bring people back from the dead as it did Nick (I thought maybe they could do that with Meisner). On the other hand, there is also a possibility that Nick actually did not die but just passed out briefly as the stick healed him. But of course it was in his jacket pocket and not in his hand, nor directly touching the gunshot wounds. Hopefully we'll find out more next season.

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    • 167.56.9.130 wrote: The Holy Stick must be put in the ass of Bomaparte until his death!

      Nope... just a sword through the solarplexus by a marrionette Renard. Never screw with Diana's mommy. That appeares to be very bad for your health.

      It seems the stick just has to be on your person or in direct contact with the person bearing it for it to regenerate wounds. Its possible it works like wolverine's healing factor. It doesn't ressurrect, but regenerates otherwise fatal wounds. It needs to be tested, of course. But we saw what can happen when you bring someone back like Renard. Nasty little hitchhiker spirits would love it if thats how fhe stick works.

      We still don't see a downside to this relic. Other than someone misusing it, based on what we saw, I can't think of what it might be.

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    • Davicus it seemed to bring Juliette back, so there's a good chance that it might be able to transform people to Wessen or take that power away, depending on how it's used.   Just a theory.  I do believe it to be of the cross of Christ or the spear for sure.   Can't have Crusader's finding a treasure and it not being related to Christ in some fashion, that's against media politics lol. 

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    • My vote is a piece of the cross. The writers will have to be careful how deep they go into the weird medeval christian superstition stuff. Most modern christians see the extra-biblical as BS, but some might take offense. Vikings has included a bunch of it pretty seamlessly. So it can be done.

      The biggest negative of the stick is the lack of instructions. The healing/regeneration effect was stumbled across. What it does to Evette will be interesting and won't really be understood without experimentation. Nick needs to be writing this stuff down. 😉

      The Stick and You. By Nick Burkhart.

      -DavicusPrime

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    • DavicusPrime wrote:
      My vote is a piece of the cross. The writers will have to be careful how deep they go into the weird medeval christian superstition stuff. Most modern christians see the extra-biblical as BS, but some might take offense. Vikings has included a bunch of it pretty seamlessly. So it can be done.

      The biggest negative of the stick is the lack of instructions. The healing/regeneration effect was stumbled across. What it does to Evette will be interesting and won't really be understood without experimentation. Nick needs to be writing this stuff down. 😉

      The Stick and You. By Nick Burkhart.

      -DavicusPrime

      I know. We only got one glimpse of him this season writing down about one of his cases (the one with the mask). I hope next season we see more of him writing down about his present cases and old ones too. Those books and weapons are his legacy to pass on to his son.

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    • So another thing I'm thinking about the Stick! 

      1) What if its a "life for a life" thing, so Monroe and Juliette "almost" died but they were healed.  So I'm thinking what if someone, somewhere died because of that?  To make it worse, what if it was a family member/relative. But with Nick he actually died, getting shot few times!  

      or

      2) What if its still a "life for a life" but it needs to be "recharged" so someone needs to say be stab wit the stick and take away their life form. So it can be used to heal/resurect someone. 

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    • Brimmski wrote:
      So another thing I'm thinking about the Stick! 

      What if its a "life for a life" thing, so Monroe and Juliette "almost" died but they were healed.  So I'm thinking what if someone, somewhere died because of that?  To make it worse, what if it was a family member/relative. But with Nick he actually died, getting shot few times!  

      Sounds resonable, though I wonder how it would work - meaning would it be random or selective at taking a life to save a life? As for Nick, some have suggested maybe he actually did not die when shot, but rather the stick immediately began healing him and he just briefly passed out. After all, it only took him a second or two to get back on his feet.

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    • Trubel said, "Well, the Crusaders who buried this hundreds of years ago had to believe it came from God, right? I mean, that's what the Crusades were about." Then Nick said, "So does it prove God exists?" Trubel replied, "Damn, that's kinda big." The point is, what if the stick's healing ability is a sample of God's power? So, what if it is proof God exists? Also, what if it part of something else? I mean, when they put together the pieces of the map from the keys, they were still missing two keys with the last map pieces on them. What if it is part of something more powerful? On it's own, the stick is no threat. It can only heal people. But if it was combined with that something more powerful thing, it could do what Nick's mom said it would, if it's power was unleashed. It would allow the possessor to control the earth, rule the world, conquer the planet!

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    • There was a whole big theme of having to think like the original knights would have.

      Considering the Crusades were involved, an artefact that is as strongly linked to God as something like a sliver of the Cross (or the Tree, etc) would be viewed as an unending focus for war and chaos as different religious factions strive for control of it.

      Safest thing would be to simply make it disappear.

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    • 212.30.30.71 wrote:
      There was a whole big theme of having to think like the original knights would have.

      Considering the Crusades were involved, an artefact that is as strongly linked to God as something like a sliver of the Cross (or the Tree, etc) would be viewed as an unending focus for war and chaos as different religious factions strive for control of it.

      Safest thing would be to simply make it disappear.

      So, if it is liked to God, do you think the thing might be proof God "does" exist? Because if it is, then you might be right about it being too dangerous! 

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    • Participants in the Crusades reportedly returned to Europe with pieces of the One True Cross, which supposedly had healing powers.  This artifact fits the narrative better than anything else. The seven Grimm Crusaders lived in a time when the cause and transmission of disease was not at all understood.  Disease was thought to be the result of God's displeasure.  So having something that could cure any disease or injury would be an emormous asset.  If you could use the stick to cure yourself over and over, there is potential for you to live forever, or a least for a very long time.  For a Royal, the idea of extending one's life as an absolute monarch must have been very attractive.  And if you could use the stick to cure your soldiers in battle, then your army could be unbeatable.  The Grimms may have hid the stick because they didn't want anyone to have that kind of power.  Today, there are still many diseases and serious injuries that we can't cure, so something with this type of power would still be a highly desirable object.

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    • Here's my list of hypotheses: 1) I thought at first, because of the Crusader/Grimm connection, that it might be part of the cross of Christ. That would tie in to the "royal" connection, if one subscribes to certain conspiracy theories, a la the DaVinci Code stuff. But it doesn't fit into the general mythology of the show.

      2) So there are two other biblical possibilities that involve a lot of animals: 2a) Noah's Ark) the ancestors of every terrestial animal genus and species were on Noah's Ark---this would tie in to the entire Vessen thing, and might provide an origin story: perhaps the stick, or what it was attached to, generated an energy that "created" the Vessen. 2b) The Tree of Life) given that the writers of the show are Jewish, this seems the most likely thing to me, and something that could very well have been on Noah's Ark, or part of it. The enormous power of such a thing would do all that we've seen--though the offensive capabilities defy explanation, and the Garden of Eden was the only other time in history and/or mythology that all the animals were gathered together with humans.

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    • I was looking on the internet about spear of destiny and cross,and neither of them have healing power.From that time forth, according to legend, whoever claims the spear and solves its secret holds the destiny of the world in his hands for good or evil.I coudnt find anything about cross powers.

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    • Something that has not been brought forth is that the stick could be part of the box that held the Holy Grail.

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    • In Bitsie's Q&A in FB she mentioned that "we all that that it was what most of the fans thought it was BUT it wasn't!"

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    • Maybe a piece of "Pandora's Box"?

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    • Maybe its part of a grim reapers scythe?

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    • 75.145.84.109 wrote:
      Spear of Destiny, huh? I know Renard mentioned the story of how the treasure could be a piece of the cross that Christ was crucified on. Perhaps the magic either way would come from Christ's blood having seeped into the wood, which absorbed it.

      Imagine if Christ was depicted as Wesen, or something similar to Wesen but isn't like the Mexican ghost lady, La Llorona.


      Christ as a wesen with magical blood that can endow ordinary objects with god-like power! That would be epic as hell! also, much like hexenbiests with  abilities that could heal and harm, bring miracles or plagues,

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    • i think that the stick is a piece of the cross that jesus was in.

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    • Ok could the stick be part of the Staff that the "Zerstörerd" was holding?

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    • How does Adalind already know about the stick?

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    • NorseMay wrote:
      How does Adalind already know about the stick?


      I was wondering too! Thought I missed something!

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    • Please let me know if you find anything. Thanks.

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    • It could have been one episode where there were scenes that was deleted. 

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    • Brimmski wrote:
      It could have been one episode where there were scenes that was deleted. 

      Yeah? Which one?

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    • NorseMay wrote:
      Brimmski wrote:
      It could have been one episode where there were scenes that was deleted. 
      Yeah? Which one?

      We wont know until they will release the deleted scenes.  I posted a video from Season 5 deleted scenes between Adalind and Nick at the Episode thread.  

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    • Isn't it interesting that the only person that was able to touch without getting "burned" is Nick and Diana.  Even when Trubel took it and ran away, she got burned even though she’s a Grimm.

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    • I have a bad feeling as u all say that its more then just a stick.. I think that it not only heals the sick injured.. but can also "CURE" the weson out of people.. so when he healed Monroe he is not long a wolf.

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    • A Grimmster
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