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  • Time to get in your final predictions on what you think the keys lead to in the Black Forest as it will be revealed very soon.

    I'm going to go with something to do with the origin of Wesen.

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    • Either the origin of Wesen or something that can destroy or make everyone Wesen. 

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    • I've always liked the keys leading to something having to do with the origin of Wesen myself, though I would want to know how exactly that could help the Seven Royal Families rule the world.  However, with the Black Claw, the origin of Wesen idea would fit in well with that current storyline, so I definitely think that prediction could end up being accurate.

      Looking at what Renard told Nick some of the things it might lead to, my guess would be the nails used to crucify Jesus along with pieces of the cross, but I actually don't think it will end up being any of the things he said were rumored to be the "treasure" the keys lead to back in Season 1.

      Here's my official prediction, which I would say only has a 1% chance of being right, but I'll go with it anyways!  I think the keys lead to some kind of weapon (think something along the lines of like an ancient nuclear weapon) that is actually so destructive that it could destroy the world--and if something like that ever fell into the hands of the Royal Families, that would in turn actually give them all the leverage they'd need for a world takeover.  I could see the Seven Knights looking at an object like that and deciding something that's potentially that destructive is better off never being found again by anyone.

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    • honestly

      i have no idea

      i saw a movie about a hidden treasure and when they found it,it was jesus cross!

      and i was like: really dude??

      after all these adventures and drama your treasure is some wood that might have some blood or DNA on it?

      so

      i guess this  treasure might ruin all our imaginations too!

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    • I'd say it must be some kind of ultimate weapon or artefact that can mind-control people. Or a Virus that only effects Wesen i.e. a bio-weapon (hey, we already had possesive ghosts and telekinetic Hexenbiester, anything can happen, right? XD)

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    • I think it is origin of Wesen and Grimm

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    • It migh give info that Wilhelm and Jacob (People "should" know who they are) were the creators for the Wesen/Grimm world.  Showing who is the direct descendant and has power over the Wesen world. 

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    • if the keys turn everyone into Grimms or something. BTW I'm not caught up I'm only season 4.

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    • i know what the door leads to in nick and adalind new home i know what it is is a office big enough for nick to make it a grimm  office that he can put all of his new and old books and weapons in

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    • and I did like to say something about the keys to I think the keys leads to another big creature I heard some Hollywood reporter's say nick may have the map big enough to take a trip to the black forest to find out what kind of creatures it leads to what get me is they said creatures not treasure

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    • wait even if they do find the treausre how are they going to   open if they are missing 2 keys

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    • Monroe said...way back when Nick first showed him his original Key...that it looked like it went to a Warded Lock.
      Warded Locks are old school locks, that are considered now to be 'low security' locks...since they are so easily picked.

      So I'm thinking that Monroe will be able to pick the 2 locks that they don't have Keys for.
      We saw how easily Monroe picked the lock to that big Trunk, which was probably a Warded Lock. Not sure. But it probably was.
      They may have showed us that as foreshadowing of what was coming.

      Out of all the 'theories' of what the Treasure could be...I like the theory that it could be "Something that turns people into Wesen."
      That seems plausible, since we've seen a normal person turned into a Wesen before: Juliette.

      Turning people into Wesen would be a powerful thing.
      Especially if you had control over what 'type' of Wesen you were creating.
      You could create Wesen armies...an army of Hexenbiests, or Siegbarste.
      The possibilities are both awesome and scary.

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    • I hope it's not a ripoff from Supernatural; that the keys lead to a bunker/base that holds everything grimm/wesen related.

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    • my guess if it smth that valuable it wont be pick locked easily

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    • 203.206.97.215 wrote:
      I hope it's not a ripoff from Supernatural; that the keys lead to a bunker/base that holds everything grimm/wesen related.

      That would be awesome ^^

      @Lurkenfrau - scary indeed....

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    • Do we know why the Royals wanted it in the first place? I mean, we know they wanted it and could help them rule the world, but if the Royals are well aware of Wesen and we don't know if they are Wesen (never had any evidence that they were) maybe the artifact could give them access to a dangerous, ancient Wesen that would help control other Wesen, or - if going down the route the artifact turns humans or Grimms into Wesen - the Royals would get what they wanted; they could turn into, maybe a powerful Wesen, and thus would probably command and control Wesen much easier and without the use of Grimms.

      I think it either leads to a dangerous origin of Wesen, an ancient Wesen, or a device that could turn humans (or maybe even Grimms) into Wesen.

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    • Perhaps a weapon that will lead all humanity & wesen into balance.

      Possibly this weapon or two might connect to both Kelly & Diana.

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    • It might be the artifact that created Grimms in the first place, or gave them part of their superhuman powers.

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    • It would have to be an object that gives power that in the wrong hands is very dangerous to the user and the ones it is used against. If it could create Hexenbiests from Kehrsette like what happened to Juliette there would be a lot of unrestrained, power mad Royals on the loose. Even if they could be controlled as Eve is they would make a very formidable army.

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    • Bheadr27 wrote:
      203.206.97.215 wrote:
      I hope it's not a ripoff from Supernatural; that the keys lead to a bunker/base that holds everything grimm/wesen related.
      That would be awesome ^^

      @Lurkenfrau - scary indeed....


      it may and may not happen... i mean the truck did got destroyed by Juliette... but now they've got so many rare grimm books and weapons...

      Idk what else they'd need.

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    • @Beheadr. Did you ever see "Das Blut der Templer" ??? The "Holy Grail " is protected by warriors and can only be activitate by the chosen person with the right blood.

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    • Perhaps it'll hold the key to bringing back Juliette.

      Especially that would involve Kelly & Diana's destinies.

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    • I definitely think it is about the origins of/how to make Wesen.

      We know the Royals want it to help them rule the world, and we know that basically all of their footsoldiers are Wesen (seemingly Hundjägers). A massive army made up of Wesen of their choosing could definitely get them this. I'd think the Grimm Knights would have realised this too. 

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    • Considering the origine of the keys (crusades), and the fact that the series always takes real myths and fairytales as inspirations for their story line, PLUS the rumours about the cross, the nails etc. I would guess the hidden object is the holy grail itself. In history - especially the legends of the crusades, there is no other object as important, as powerful, and as prominent, as the holy grail. If there are rumours about the hidden object being related to Jesus' death, the most obvious object would be the grail, however they are stating everything BUT the grail (cross, nails...) therefore it seems even more suspicious... Other legends of the keys talk about immortality, so do some of the legends about the holy grail. Or maybe it turns people into wesen, or makes one powerful. Who knows...  All the crusade legends are talking about the knights bringing the cup to Europe, but hiding it indtead of giving it to the church. Sounds familiar?


      Well, that's my guess... what do you guys think?

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    • Sorry if this has already been said before, but I think the keys lead to the final resting place of the Knights who took part in the Crusades (i.e. original Grimms themselves). This resting place may also host further Grimm books and artifacts that belonged to these Knights.

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    • I don't know how it could be used to control the world. Speaking of which, the Royals probably have fake keys.

      I don't know what they could possibly lead too. I think I'll stick to that they make everyone Wesen.

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    • i think is a box of old grimm sold's in wen is get open all of the grimm from year in year a go that die will come out in help nick fight the wesen's up riseing in he and trouble will get to see ther mom's in dad's again because ther grimm's too now that will be awesome in way to cool

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    • I think everybody want to possess it but only a choosen one can have access or control it.

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    • What did they say about the 7th key again? Wasn't there something unique about it?

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    • 171.6.131.127 wrote:
      What did they say about the 7th key again? Wasn't there something unique about it?


      That's a good idea. What if the 7 key isn't a key but a person ?

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    • I think it's probably a diamond-like crystal of sorts

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    • 171.6.131.127 wrote:
      What did they say about the 7th key again? Wasn't there something unique about it?

      What Renard said... "One of the seven betrayed the other six" to get the key but after severe torture. 

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    • I wouldn't be surprised if it's not more of the Coins of Zakynthos. Look at the amount of damage the three coins that have already appeared did - and we know that that was nowhere near all of them. They can control people's minds - which is why the Royals are after them, but they're dangerous enough to keep the rest of them locked away. And since Hitler had them and Black Claw are trying to follow Hitler's original plan to remake the world, they'd definitely want to get their hands on those coins.

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    • (P) Macabros77 wrote:

      171.6.131.127 wrote:
      What did they say about the 7th key again? Wasn't there something unique about it?


      That's a good idea. What if the 7 key isn't a key but a person ?

      I think that's an interesting theory, if there is a certain person or bloodline that hold the secret of the seventh key, they could have to be found by Nick and the gang, leading to probably some new places and Wesen.

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    • That would be an intersting theory if its a bloodline... Lets say the Kessler's bloodline AKA Nick but someone thats still "pure" say.... Kelly

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    • Brimmski wrote:
      That would be an intersting theory if its a bloodline... Lets say the Kessler's bloodline AKA Nick but someone thats still "pure" say.... Kelly

      Plot twist key found!

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    • Kelly is anything but...

      But following that thought about the seventh key beeing a person, why not go the distance and have an immortal guardian that stayed at the place since the Knights hid the treasure, if said treasure is something like a Philosophers Stone? ... yeah I know, too much Indiana Jones XDD

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    • The seventh key could possibly be the blood of a Grimm?

      Could be one explanation why the treasure wasn't found and taken so long ago... there needs be a Grimm present as the final key to open the treasure.

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    • 65.51.46.52 wrote:
      The seventh key could possibly be the blood of a Grimm?

      Could be one explanation why the treasure wasn't found and taken so long ago... there needs be a Grimm present as the final key to open the treasure.


      But the keys were all spread out and along that is a map.  The Royals never had the 6 keys at least. 

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    • I have several theories but first in Buffy they ended the series by giving a weapon that had enormous power for slayers and later was used to unlock the potential slayers. Second Grimm has its stories based in real stories therefore I agree with a grimsters theory. 1. The keys lead to the holy grail which will unlock people's potential within each of us(Grimm or Wesen) 2. A Grimm weapon of great power 3. Library As for #3 the is a library said to house all the worlds knowledge which I forgot the name but that is what I think could be there. However I believe their are still many surprises to come before we get any answers.

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    • My theory states that it indeed is teh holy grail.

      Why??  Well We know hitler was a blutbad that had the coins of Zakynthos and therfore wanted more, History states that he and his Heinrich Himmler did indeed search for the holy grail and atlantis.

      and we all know jim kouf loves his history.. 

      The grimms entire German thing.

      well you get it 

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    • 83.80.209.161 wrote:
      My theory states that it indeed is teh holy grail.

      Why??  Well We know hitler was a blutbad that had the coins of Zakynthos and therfore wanted more, History states that he and his Heinrich Himmler did indeed search for the holy grail and atlantis.

      and we all know jim kouf loves his history.. 

      The grimms entire German thing.

      well you get it 

      Actually, Hitler was revealed as a Schakal.

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    • Since the Buffy writers are the Grimm writers. I could see the keys doing just that. Unlock everyone with hidden Grimm powers. Our it could give people the ability to see wesen. 

      You mention Buffy.

      Spkie is Adalind went from bad to good. Juliette is Angel who bacame Angelus then back to Angel.  Making Nick Buffy. Who ends up in a love affair with their mortal enemy. 

      You even have Trubel is Faith. I

      It we make Rosalee Willow, a guess that could make Monroe Zander.

      Diana sort of fits the Dawn role minus powerers. both where a magical creation. 

      You even have the same story lines.  Spike tried to rape Buffy. But they are still friends and she trust her sister and her life with him.  

      Like Juliette Angelus killed those close to them but still they took him back. They even did the I am Angel agian and not Angelus. It was Angelus that did those things. 

      You have HW is the initiative. 

      BC with Lucien as Glory. 

      The show had a good run. why wouldn't Joss and David use it again. 

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    • Syscrash53 wrote:

      Spkie is Adalind went from bad to good. Juliette is Angel who bacame Angelus then back to Angel.  Making Nick Buffy. Who ends up in a love affair with their mortal enemy. 

      I haven't watched Buffy before but I actually liked Buffy and Spike together! :D Now I don't think I like Spike as much anymore.

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    • I've seen Buffy and I can see some of the elements of Buffy on Grimm!

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    • I have seen the same strings. ^^' From the first moment I thought HW goes the same way as the initiative.

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    • Is it amazing the initiative had Adam, HW has Eve. 

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    • my guess is they will fin d the treauser by episode 12 /100 but it will be opened later

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    • whatever is in it, i hope there will be some security over it. something like only a blood relation of those knights could open it.  

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    • I'm really hoping it's the secrets on how to become a grimm, maybe a way that anyone can become one 

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    • More keys! That lead to Sulu's phaser.

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    • Ryander7 wrote: I'm really hoping it's the secrets on how to become a grimm, maybe a way that anyone can become one 

      I thought the Grimm condition was genetic.

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    • Yaguaraté wrote:

      Ryander7 wrote: I'm really hoping it's the secrets on how to become a grimm, maybe a way that anyone can become one 

      I thought the Grimm condition was genetic.

      It is... 

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    • Oh good. So not just anyone can become one unless than have Grimms within the family. And even then, it's not a certain chance.

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    • Yaguaraté wrote:
      Oh good. So not just anyone can become one unless than have Grimms within the family. And even then, it's not a certain chance.

      Hey would you want to talk in the Grimm wiki chat? you and I have like similar opinions on the show and i'd like to discuss some more! :)

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    • Oh whoops! You posted this 2 hours ago. Hope you're still on :D

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    • Yaguaraté wrote:
      Oh whoops! You posted this 2 hours ago. Hope you're still on :D

      well shoot,now I am :D haha

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    • I'm fairly certain that:

      a) The 7th key is not a person. They've made most of the map out of the first 5 keys, and confirmed that there are two spots missing. So unless the seven knights made a very irregularly shaped map AND also did not give a physical key to one of them, this seems unlikely.

      b) The 'treasure' is not the Holy Grail or the some other artifact pertaining to Jesus Christ. Beyond involving the Crusades, the show does not have very many Christian/Catholic references, and there's no proof that anything that Jesus Christ touched was at Constantinople. It very well could be a weapon, a secret Grimm stash, or straight up treasure (as Constantinople was the trade center of the world at the time).

      My guess? It's a weapon, designed to wipe out Wesen. The knights, knowing that the Royal families wanted this to maintain their hold over Wesen, and feeling compassion for the Wesen (as we've seen, many species are not dangerous, and even members of the 'dangerous' species live non-violent lives), hid it. The Black Claw wants it to destroy it--or possibly modify it to target non-Wesen--and the Royals want it because they always have. The Grimms, surprisingly, do not seem to care enough to find it, outside of Nick. Likely, the knights did not tell their families what it was, to prevent them from looking for it and using it. Otherwise, the knights' grandchildren would have, very easily, found the keys and retrieved it together.

      Is anyone else extremely surprised that Kessler was actually the family lineage listed in the book? This means that from at least 1790's (but likely back to the 14th century), the Grimms in Nick's family were majority male (keeping the name)... but so far, the majority of Grimms shown were female (Marie, Kelly, Trouble vs Nick and that one old guy who's son was not a Grimm). Of course, the majority of Grimms referenced in the Grimm books are male, but this is very likely attributed to the fact that women were not encouraged to leave home or fight in most societies, and probably would not have been considered as Grimms. Still, it seems pretty weird that they were able to trace Nick's lineage through his mother's maiden name only... and that they didn't bother to trace Trouble's at all. I wish they would take some time to focus on her backstory rather than whatever the hell Juliette is or isn't doing.

      tl;dr I disagree with the 'Key is a person' and 'Treasure from Jesus' theories and agree with the 'It's a weapon' theory.

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    • Considering the times female Grimm back then dressed more like men. Even Kelly had a masculine dress.

      The promo and interviews have all ready side what it is not. Nick and Moroes happend to have the one key that marked the x on the map. Go figure. Thouge the map covers they could actually find the right spot. The episode ended they fell through a hole in the ground. The promos show Nick and Monroe finding the chest, having the right key, you hear the lock go click. The interviews say they know what it is just not what it is it for. It also sounds like it will cause trouble for the group. 

      We know it wount wipe out BC because that is Eve mission and she is there to the end of the show. From the way Wu responded about it. I think it has something to do with Wu's change. If I had to guess the chest releases the lyconthrope virus and Wu becomes infected so now he is a warewofl. Hank get Zuri a wesen girlfriend. Wu would be the only outsider. Plus as Wu said, he gets married to something. Having the whole gang having skin in the game, no longer outsiders. Make the fight with BC that much more interesting. Also makes accepting Adalind with her powers and Eve more understandable. I still don't she how Nick is not going to seem a hypocrite being with hexen Adalind. Unless thier relation is one catastrophe after another.  

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    • Jmillgrimmster wrote:
      Yaguaraté wrote:
      Oh whoops! You posted this 2 hours ago. Hope you're still on :D
      well shoot,now I am :D haha


      Aww man! Sorry for missing you! I was away for a week. Hope you'l be on this week! :D

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    • Yaguaraté wrote:

      Jmillgrimmster wrote:
      Yaguaraté wrote:
      Oh whoops! You posted this 2 hours ago. Hope you're still on :D
      well shoot,now I am :D haha


      Aww man! Sorry for missing you! I was away for a week. Hope you'l be on this week! :D

      It's all good :)

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