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  • WHY WAS NICK'S MOMS HEAD INSIDE OF THAT BOX 

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    • That sounded al ot like trubel because she chops off heads

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    • Theory: DIANA NOW MAKES OP ILLUSIONS

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    • Agree with the illusion theory. But I think we will know the truth only in season 5.

      My theory: Nick warned Kelly when he saw the ashes on the mouse pad. In an email he told Juliet had burned the trailer. Kelly went to the trailer to check Nick and Juliets story. The trailer burned down so Kelly knows Nicks speaks the truth and that she cannot trust Juliet. Then Diana makes a long lasting illusion.

      My reasoning. I have looked closely at the shoes of Trubel. It seems toe me that the shoes we see when Tubels kicks the hundjagers head are not the shoes we see in the trailer when she pick up something. The heel and the juncture in the front of the shoe (I don't know the English word.. sorry) are different. And it just does not make sense that Kelly entered the door on the front and that Diana did not defend her. If this is really what has happend that it's bad writing. Not telling Nick anything about the illusion would fit Kelly's character.

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    • this theory makes a point, i mean knowing that her son was in trouble she could've been prepared but no she arrived like it was nothing like she was just a normal mom visiting her son while carrying a baby im really hoping she is not yet dead

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    • Interesting--I like the illusion theory and have heard it before on other posts. Note--when Nick in and finds the mouse pad moved--that raises a red flag for me. Did he contact his mother and briefly explain what's going on? If it's all an illusion and Kelly is still alive would be fantastic! I hope for thrills and didn't-see-that-one-coming hoping to the finale this Friday.

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    • Someone above pointed out that the shows of the person in the trailer and when Trubel's kicks the dead head away are a little different--I'm going to rewatch and check it out. That's good eyes and @agrimmster paying excellent attention to details.

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    • I just checked. I'm pretty sure they're the same

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    • PDXBlazer wrote: I just checked. I'm pretty sure they're the same

      Yeah, they looked the same to me too.

      And Kelly wouldn't know how to find the Trailer, would she?
      Kelly left town with Diana before Nick & Trubel moved the Trailer out to the woods.

      Trubel was shown with the same black gloves on too...same as the gloved hand in the Trailer.

      Rosalee probably mentioned to Trubel, that Juliette had torched the Trailer, so Trubel stopped by there first to see for herself.

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    • Well, personally I wish the illusion theory is right, but the thing about the illusion theory that falls through is, the physical aspect of it. Meaning, if they had chopped off Kelly's head, wouldn't the illusion wear off? I'm really really really hoping Diana makes OP illusions to the point it stays for really long. Just so they can bring Kelly back.


      P.s. F*** Kenneth and his phony accent. F*** Juliette too. [No profanity, please - PDXBlazer]

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    • Yeah at least she went out as a concern mother

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    • 101.127.73.143 wrote:
      Well, personally I wish the illusion theory is right, but the thing about the illusion theory that falls through is, the physical aspect of it. Meaning, if they had chopped off Kelly's head, wouldn't the illusion wear off? I'm really really really hoping Diana makes OP illusions to the point it stays for really long. Just so they can bring Kelly back.


      P.s. F*** Kenneth and his phony accent. F*** Juliette too. [No profanity, please - PDXBlazer]

      Maybe she does something like transforming matter, remember this world has magic

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    • Since Trubel cut the head off near the house. Maybe it is the head trubel cut, magically made to look like Kelly.  Maybe Kelly had  been staking out the spot saw Trubel cut the head and had Diana make it look like Kelly.  Of course that does not account for Kenneths reaction when he came back in the house. 

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    • There is a lot of conjecture about Kelly.  Just to add to the discussion does anyone know who phone Trubel when she was in Bud's car.  Trubel was loathe to answer the call and made it sound like she was talking to Nick but it was a woman's voice.

      Trubel said she was going to contact later but I could not find the scene where she did.

      Thanks

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    • 101.174.44.95 wrote:
      There is a lot of conjecture about Kelly.  Just to add to the discussion does anyone know who phone Trubel when she was in Bud's car.  Trubel was loathe to answer the call and made it sound like she was talking to Nick but it was a woman's voice.

      Trubel said she was going to contact later but I could not find the scene where she did.

      Thanks

      it was chavez that's why she arrived in the end she was calling trubel because of a possible undercover mission?

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    • thanks

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    • I am sure she is still alive.........I think Juliet, as a last sign that she still loves Nick, warns Kelly. My husband thinks we are all nuts and that she is absolutely dead......Will have to wait and see.

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    • The actress has moved on to other things. Kelly's dead. She may appear in flashbacks, but that's it.

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    • Guys... There is no Illusion! Check out Kelly's face... NO SCARS ANYMORE!!! I think the head didn't belong to Kelly... even her walking doesn't fit with Kelly's... And I also think it wouldn't be so easy to kill her even with 20 dog's... If that's it for Kelly its a fuckin' weak end for her... I bet 20$ she's gonna pop up in season 5 again! Diana would have protected her for sure!

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    • For me Kelly was the best Grimm in the show. I don't believe that she walks blindfold in a trap with the argument she trusted Juliette. That's nonsense.

      Nick hasn't see his mother for almost 20 years. How can he even judge how she reacts ?

      And even if Kelly is dead, she didn't run in her death without a second thought.

      Beside Juliette send an unusual E-mail to Kelly. And the page in the torched trailer with the description of a Hundsjäger. What for a coincidence. Who put this page in the trailer. ? That looks like a message...

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    • I'm looking for answer too. And i have one question: who was calling to Trouble when she was in the car with Bud in the last episode?

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    • 46.252.216.42 wrote: I'm looking for answer too. And i have one question: who was calling to Trouble when she was in the car with Bud in the last episode?

      I think it was Cheavaz.

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    • (P) Macabros77 wrote:

      For me Kelly was the best Grimm in the show. I don't believe that she walks blindfold in a trap with the argument she trusted Juliette. That's nonsense.

      I don't know. Even the very best can make mistakes. If she was ambushed by over twenty people, I can believe she wouldn't make it out alive (though there should have been more dead Hunjager's).

      Still I imagine the scene was intended to have gone better, but they were unable to get the actress back, as she was busy filming her new show. So they had to cut it back.

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    • Did you guys not watch the first seasons? Nick sent some reaper heads to the royals. So the verrat took off her head and put it in a box as a return

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    • Perhaps Elizabeth Lascelles (mother of Sean) has found Kelly and teamed up with her. She used the verfluchte zwillingsschwester to switch places with Kelly. Perhaps Kelly is the co-pilot in the heli.

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    • Unlikely, but I would love that.

      I would love Elizabeth and Kelly to meet, after their each others shadow counterparts (just as Nick and Renard are).

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    • guys i really REAALLYY want kelly to be alive as much as all of you to, but sadly unfortuantely, she has a main role in another tv show which means she's probably hella busy

      but tryynna be optimistic and hope the illusion theory's correct otherwise imma threaten to leave this fandom :(

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    • wait i just thought of something

      letting everyone think she was dead would be a really great advantage for her right? especially if she was working with meisner about it.

      sooo maybe diana performed an illusion spell on another person that would bring diana to nick's house. then once diana is in the helicopter, that was where meisner intervened

      then that way, everyone except meisner, herself, and diana would think she was dead thus whatever enemies after her wouldn't be looking for her

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    • Just because the actress who plays Kelly has a major role in other shows means nothing. Kelly was almost entirely out of previous seasons, and she can come back in cameos or single episodes now and again.

      There are just way too many holes and this whole thing REEKS of a set-up.

      I also think that Juliette will need to come back (maybe as a ghost) for some kind of redemption plot; they will not leave a major character hanging unresolved like that, with no chance to atone. 

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    • Just another thought--Juliette may come back and possess Adalind to reach Nick and somehow atone for her crimes.

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    • Also, do you guys really think they would leave a major, critical scene such as the assassination of Kelly, such a fantastic fight scene, off camera if they weren't pulling something (I mean, tricking the audience into thinking she is dead)? 

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    • 63.143.236.172 wrote:
      Also, do you guys really think they would leave a major, critical scene such as the assassination of Kelly, such a fantastic fight scene, off camera if they weren't pulling something (I mean, tricking the audience into thinking she is dead)? 


      No. I never believed it. But we'll see...

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    • 63.143.236.172 wrote:
      Also, do you guys really think they would leave a major, critical scene such as the assassination of Kelly, such a fantastic fight scene, off camera if they weren't pulling something (I mean, tricking the audience into thinking she is dead)? 

      The reason for this is because Mary Mastrantonio who plays Nick's mom wasnt available for filming when they shot the fight scene.  Think its because she was filming  for Limitless on CBS.  To do a fight scene they would need her for close up shots and all. So since that wasnt possible, they did it from Juliette's POV.

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    • I have a theory as to how she might still be alive.

      Yes, she did die in a fight with Kenneth, but Hadrian's Wall somehow brought her back to life, even though she did lose her head. We know that Hadrian's Wall took Kelly's head and that they made Eve from Juliette's body. Since this has happened, I think it is very possible that Hadrian's Wall somehow revived her.

      This is just a speculation, so don't hate on my possible theory.

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    • With each episode I get more of a feeling that Kelly's death was and illusion. Especially with HW involved at the mansion, and the house. Also Trubel is in town and goes to the house before going to find Nick. True Trubel responds like she doesn't know what is going on. But now we have seen you can't believe everything Trubel says or does.  

      Plus we now know dead does not mean dead. Using and illusion excuse would not be outside the context of the show.  

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    • There is really a possibility that Kelly is still alive.  They didn't show her fighting, mind you a Grimm is strong but still vulnerable.  If she got attacked by say 4 Wessen and Kenneth, chances are slim especially from a surprise attack.

      How did Mesnier get to the chopper? Unless he already knew about it.

      As what Truble said they've been keeping tabs on Nick among others.  So it could have been someone else that "looked" like Kelly. 


      I'm sure Kelly mom would have a heart attack when she finds out her grandson is HalfBeist. 

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    • Brimmski wrote:
      I'm sure Kelly mom would have a heart attack when she finds out her grandson is HalfBeist. 

      Kelly was willing to raise Diana, so have a grandson as a hexenbiest would not be hard to accept. If Kelly was what we saw in women in black, yes it would be hard to take. But by the time Diana became involved she was wesen friendly. 

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    • For those who say the the actress who plays kelly is in limitless yes she was but cbs cancelled it after one season

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    • 49.183.162.8 wrote:
      For those who say the the actress who plays kelly is in limitless yes she was but cbs cancelled it after one season

      That means they have to find a way to bring her back from the dead. It's possible, right?

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    • Well Renard's mom brought him back to life, so it is possible. On the other hand, there was not a huge time gap in between Renard's death and resurrection. It's been a while since Kelly died, and she was buried. So that, in addition to the fact that she was beheaded, could be against Kelly being resurrected (or at least make it extremely difficult).

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    • They could bring her back as we didn't see The photo that meisner gave nick to prove it was his mum all we saw was a grave with no head stone or anything so it could possibly be another persons grave

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    • Maybe the woman who was killed was someone else like she told Nick about the time his dad and supposed mom was killed.

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    • Its possible but then again they have used that story line so they may do it differently this time as to how they bring her back

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    • 49.183.178.93 wrote:
      They could bring her back as we didn't see

      The photo that meisner gave nick to prove it was his mum all we saw was a grave with no head stone or anything so it could possibly be another persons grave

      You saw Nicks reaction. If it hasn't been his mom we would have noticed a graver change in his behavior...

      Mom is dead and won't come back this time.

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    • @Beheadr. The question is why is she dead, if she's dead ?

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    • @Mac - because the Verrat and Kenneth didn't act fair?

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    • she possibly can come back as we didn't see a body or anything just because of nicks reaction doesn't mean Diana didn't pull an illusion

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    • Miesner showed  Nick the picture from where they recovered the body. He also showed her the grave where they barried her. 

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    • That mayebe so but they didn't show it on screen just nick saw it an it was an unmarked grave which could be anyone's

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    • Bheadr27 wrote:
      @Mac - because the Verrat and Kenneth didn't act fair?


      Do you really think Kelly wasn't able to consider this ? She was too smart for this trap. But which role did Diana really play ?

      You have seen how powerful she can be...   :))

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    • True, there are a lot of inconsistencies surrounding Kelly's behavior prior to her apparent death and her supposed death as well.  But it might just be as simple as the writers for her death episode did not review the previous episodes particularly when Kelly brought Adalind and Diana to Nick's house.  That happens.  There are too many writers, I think, for consistency.

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    • 178.84.93.228 wrote: Agree with the illusion theory. But I think we will know the truth only in season 5.

      My theory: Nick warned Kelly when he saw the ashes on the mouse pad. In an email he told Juliet had burned the trailer. Kelly went to the trailer to check Nick and Juliets story. The trailer burned down so Kelly knows Nicks speaks the truth and that she cannot trust Juliet. Then Diana makes a long lasting illusion.

      My reasoning. I have looked closely at the shoes of Trubel. It seems toe me that the shoes we see when Tubels kicks the hundjagers head are not the shoes we see in the trailer when she pick up something. The heel and the juncture in the front of the shoe (I don't know the English word.. sorry) are different. And it just does not make sense that Kelly entered the door on the front and that Diana did not defend her. If this is really what has happend that it's bad writing. Not telling Nick anything about the illusion would fit Kelly's character.

      In "cry havoc" Trubel gets a call while with Bud. Females voice, more than likely Kelly.

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    • 24.181.133.175 wrote: WHY WAS NICK'S MOMS HEAD INSIDE OF THAT BOX 

      I Do not think so, if you look close enough, they are two pilots in the helicopter...when Diana pushes the King out the door... I think the other pilot was Kelly :)..that's my theory.

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    • 158.106.91.4 wrote:

      24.181.133.175 wrote: WHY WAS NICK'S MOMS HEAD INSIDE OF THAT BOX 

      I Do not think so, if you look close enough, they are two pilots in the helicopter...when Diana pushes the King out the door... I think the other pilot was Kelly :)..that's my theory.

      Why are you replying to an old thread?

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    • Syscrash53 wrote:
      Since Trubel cut the head off near the house. Maybe it is the head trubel cut, magically made to look like Kelly.  Maybe Kelly had  been staking out the spot saw Trubel cut the head and had Diana make it look like Kelly.  Of course that does not account for Kenneths reaction when he came back in the house. 

      First of all, he´d be half zauberbiest, not hexenbiest. 

      Where would Diana be exactly? Would Kelly just leave her?

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