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  • At the end of the episode Chupacabra, Juliette woges into a Hexenbiest. What are people's opinion of this? Is this permanent or just temporary?


    Now that we know that Juliette's powers are permanent AND that Nick knows she is a Hexenbiest, what are people's opinions on what will happen next?

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    • I think permanent, or at least long-term. She's being turned into a Wesen to give her the ability to stand up against Adalind and other strong Wesen instead of relying on Nick to take care of it. If she does become human again, I doubt it will be anytime soon, she definitely will settle her score with Adalind. Even if it's only lingering effects of the spell that will wear off (which I kinda doubt), she'll still have to kick some booty before hand.

      I seriously doubt that it will be as easy as, "Oh, hi Nick, I need some of your blood so I become human again". I read an interveiw that said she tries to keep it secret from the other guys, so maybe by the time everyone finds out, she'll decide it's safer for her to be a Hexenbiest. Or maybe there will be some other reason that she can't just take Nick's blood.

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    • That ending totally took me by surprise, definitely did NOT see that coming! Early in the episode when she was talking to Rosalee about not being pregnant, I was surprised even then by that news, though it made me wonder why she looked so stressed/emotional at the end of last week's episode.

      Even now, I'm not sure what to make of this--first and foremost, whatever is happening to her definitely appears to be one of those unforseen side-effects to get Nick's powers back that Sean Renard's mom talked about with the group.  Hard to say whether or not it's permanent or not--only time will tell--but perhaps there is a cure for what ills her buried deep in one of those Spice Shop books.  If Juliette truly has been changed somehow into a Hexenbiest though, it's only a matter of time before Nick finds out, either with his own eyes or from Juliette telling him first.

      Can't wait to see what happens next, this is one of the biggest curveballs I can ever remember happening in the show--this might be even on the same level as Nick losing his powers.  Great episode, and on an unrelated note, I hope Wu somehow gets his sanity back!

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    • If she's a Hexenbiest, why didn't her hair turn white upon woge?

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    • Since what made Juliette a Hexenbiest is the same ritual that took away Nick's grimm powers... we can at least assume It is at least as permanent as that was... 

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    • your kidding me!

      i should wait and see this episode tomorow in my country but i am so confused...u r saying that juliet transfer to a hexenbiest?!! i can not bleave it !

      writers maybe lose their mind? she is not pragnent and is a hexenbist!?!!!!!

      u r just kidding me!

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    • I don't like this break right now. How is Juliette going to tell it to Nick, what will happen to Monroe (probably and hopefully survive) how will Wu react. Writers you are doing a damn good job keeping me wondering about all these things!

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    • My internet was down for a month i came here for a little sneek pek before watching online and i see this. If yiu excuse my i have to go mumble somewere.In Hungary there still showin season 2.

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    • but if she become a hexenbiest, she can be normal again, by blod of the grimm dont you think?

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    • did really no one else see that coming? the moment she started having side effects i was sure she was a grimmm in making, with a 2nd being turned into a hexenbeist, now i am just wondering if her hexenbeist spriit will be the same one as the one nick took from you guys know who

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    • I don't think this will be so easily solved with the blood of a Grimm. The writers usually add some sort of twist when you think something is obvious

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    • PDXBlazer wrote:
      I don't think this will be so easily solved with the blood of a Grimm. The writers usually add some sort of twist when you think something is obvious

      Agree. I think it will be hard for her to accept but I think she will stay as a hexenbiest and evetually accept she is more in the wesen world.

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    • nice!

      A grimm marry a hexenbiest !

      one kill wesens and other is wesen... but not a normal wesen ... a hexenbiest ,

      Grimms and hexenbiest are against themselves for centuries, and how she will make potion and move object?

      and their child is a grimmbiest

      nice

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    • Honestly I kinda want her to stay Hexenbeist. I wanted another Wesen in Nick's group and having Juliette become one is pretty cool.

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    • I don't think the whole wesen/grimm relationship has ever been discussed or come into play on the show...so that would be interesting. I have mixed feelings about Juliette being a Hexenbeist or Half-Hexenbeist.

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    • Well didn't Renard's mum say there would be side effects. It could be in her mind to like when she was afflicted by the memory spell. Back then she was seeing ghost Nicks and holes in the floor.

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    • I think she's legit a hexenbeist it's not in her head.

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    • Skaaaa wrote:
      I think she's legit a hexenbeist it's not in her head.

      me too

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    • I love the twist ending. I can already imagine the epic showdown between hexenbeist Juliette and Adalind. ;) 

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    • 71.127.152.188 wrote:
      If she's a Hexenbiest, why didn't her hair turn white upon woge?

      She isn't fully Wesen, she is part Wesen, like Leonard

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    • Skaaaa wrote: I think she's legit a hexenbeist it's not in her head.

      It may or may not be permanent though. It could be like Nick's zombie affliction and might fade on its own. Still I suppose we will have to wait and see how things develop.

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    • Perhaps now that she's a Wessen, Juliette can now see other Wessen freely, and be more active in helping Nick out.  Also, being a Hexenbiest could come in handy if she wants to intimidate someone.

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    • Niop3 wrote:
      71.127.152.188 wrote:
      If she's a Hexenbiest, why didn't her hair turn white upon woge?
      She isn't fully Wesen, she is part Wesen, like Leonard

      Leonard? lol It's Renard.

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    • 71.127.152.188 wrote:
      If she's a Hexenbiest, why didn't her hair turn white upon woge?

      Because she doesn't have blonde hair

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      • My brain explodes*
      • My brain explodes from another angle*
      • My brain explodes from a third angle*
      • My brain explodes in slow motion*

      But yeah, I think it'll be permanent. As for how I feel about it, see above.

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    • Am I the only one who thinks it is to soon to call Juliet a hexenbiest?

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    • 76.0.18.173 wrote: Am I the only one who thinks it is to soon to call Juliet a hexenbiest?

      In nbc site they mentioned that julette is a hexenbieast NBC.com/grimm

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    • I guess it's a sideffect of the Contaminatio Ritualis still at work in Adalind.

      Maybe thats why Juliette shows signs of pregnancy, the power of the Hexenbiest is kind of 'beeing born' from her, not just transferred

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    • Bheadr27 wrote:
      I guess it's a sideffect of the Contaminatio Ritualis still at work in Adalind.

      Maybe thats why Juliette shows signs of pregnancy, the power of the Hexenbiest is kind of 'beeing born' from her, not just transferred

      She's getting headaches and nausea because she's turning into a hexenbeist not because she's pregnant. When young wesen first woge it's painful to them and eventually they get used to it. Since Juliette was originally human she never got used to wogeing hence the pain.

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    • What we know. Both NBC site and the Wiki site show Juliette as a hexenbiest so she is a hexenbiest. Is she half or full, does she have all of the powers? 

      We know she will stay a hexenbiest for  a while. Bitsie inteview indicates a big fight secne between her and Adalind. 

      Her being a hexenbiest being a secreate will not last long. Renards friend Henrietta shows up in the third episode 1/23/2015 after the 1/9/2015 return. Henrietta a hexenbiest will be there to help the gang with a problem. (can we say Juliette). Will the help be a cure or to teach control? I

      If Sean knows by the third episode then Nick and the gang learn about it in the second episode. or the end of the first episode (1/9/2015).  

      Not going to be something she can hide for long.  Under stress Wesen Woge.  I hope the reveal is not that she Woges when her and Nick are in bed!  That would kill the mood. 

      After all of the potions Juliette has taken and suffered the side effects. Using a portion to remove her Hexenbiest condition is not something she will want to under take. Her first though would be and "and the side effects would be what".   A good twist. To get ride of her Hexenbiest condition Nick has to give up his Grimm again. 

      So the decission for Juliette would be .

      Do I stay a Hexenbiest so Nick can stay a Grimm??   You thought sleeping with Nick as Adalind was a big desission, this would be even bigger. 

      They get through this, if she does not accept his marriage proposal she never will. 

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    • Can we please not do the "possibly sacrifice nicks powers to return Juliet to normal" story arc? I have had my fill of normal Nick in the initial episodes of this season.

      Personally, I see great story potential with her staying as a hexenbiest. Not to mention the comical shock that Monroe and Rosalee will express when she shows them ("but...that's not...you're not really...what the hell?").

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    • What about Sean.  He likes the hexenbiest look. Sean and Juliette already had the attraction thing going. even though it was from a spell. How about her leaving Nick for Sean?? NIck does not see Hexenbiest beauty. Because Nick can't get beyound the look Juliette turns to Sean.

      I also see this as a vehicle to explain what Wesen go through as the start to woge. Bud seeing Juliette will scare the pants of of him. 

      Rosalee will take it well. Monroe not so much. 

      Nick's response will depend on how Juliette takes it. The problem with Nick will be not being able to look at her when she is Woged. 

      As a Hexenbiest the writers can add her to so many more plot lines. 

      Chaves.....  When she finds out for one Nick is in fact a Grimm and his girl friend is a hexenbiest that's going to through kink into what ever her plans are. 

      If the Secundum Naturae Ordinem Wesen hate mixed relations. What are they going to say about a Grimm and a Hexenbiest.

      Juliette first revel will be to Rosalee when she Woges to protect her from S.N.O.W  ok that is stupid acronym.

      Does this mean Juliette doesn't need her gun any more? 

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    • Why lose the gun?  A hexenbiest with firepower would be a double threat. :-)

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    • @syscrash53 lol S.N.O.W. Still easier to say than the actual term

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    • Bullet holes have to be explained. Then there is the balistics.  You rip their throat out no one can convict you.  What are they going to say. This little tiny women riped the throat of a 250lb man. The judge would have you commited. I say rip their throat out, because that is the threat Adalind, Catherine, and Elizbeth make when attacked. Plus with super streangth and long nails throat riping would be the obvious defense. We know Juliette is not beyound killing when needed. (why else would she want a gun). If she was none violent they would have given her a tasier or pepper spray. Plus they don't give her a girly little revolver, they make it a 45 automatic. During pratice every shot was a kill shot. So Juiettee riping someone throat out, I could see it. It might shake her up abite. It might make her question if she really wants to be a Hexenbiest. 

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    • 50.101.217.173 wrote:
      Can we please not do the "possibly sacrifice nicks powers to return Juliet to normal" story arc? I have had my fill of normal Nick in the initial episodes of this season.

      Personally, I see great story potential with her staying as a hexenbiest. Not to mention the comical shock that Monroe and Rosalee will express when she shows them ("but...that's not...you're not really...what the hell?").

      Grimmblood is all that's needed to destroy a hexenbiest, so why should they reverse the reverse-spell?
      Yea, the faces they're gonna show will be hilarious XD

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    • Grimm blood was already used with Adalind - Then Adalind did her ritual to regain her "hexenbiest" - Then a spell to take away Nick's "grimm" - Then another spell by Juliet, to become Adalind (she didn't mix it but she used it) to help Nick get his "grimm" back - Who knows if grimm blood would work on Adalind or Juliet now, since it was a catalyst for everything that followed.  It would only be a one episode arc if grimm blood would work - I personally expect a multiple episode arc before Juliet is cured or confirmed as a permanent hexenbeist.

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    • reading interviews and seeing promos. Juliette will be a hexenbiest for at least three episodes. The only downside to Juliette being a hexenbiest is if her personality changes to her becoming evil. They say season 4 is going to be dark. Suppose Juliette hexenbiest problem  starts to make her evil an she becomes the WOW.  Nick did as a zombie. Then Nick is faced with does he stop her or not. Worse she starts to act like adalind ( being sneaky and plotting against the gang).  In her evil state Chazes recrutes her to spy on the gang.  Of course I would rather see Juliette use her new powers to help the gang. Juliette already has trouble with the fan base why add more reasons to dislike her. Why would you want to put her in the same company as Adalind. 

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    • There is reported to be a shwdown between Juliette and Adalind. I would take this to mean Juliette will not turn dark. Unless the fight is two hexenbiest fighting for power.

      I am curious why Sean would contact his hexenbiest friend rather then contact his mother. Elizabeth is the one who did the spell that turned Juliette. Unless that was Elizabeth's plan, to use Juliette to get Nick to find his mother. 

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    • 76.0.18.173 wrote:
      Grimm blood was already used with Adalind - Then Adalind did her ritual to regain her "hexenbiest" - Then a spell to take away Nick's "grimm" - Then another spell by Juliet, to become Adalind (she didn't mix it but she used it) to help Nick get his "grimm" back - Who knows if grimm blood would work on Adalind or Juliet now, since it was a catalyst for everything that followed.  It would only be a one episode arc if grimm blood would work - I personally expect a multiple episode arc before Juliet is cured or confirmed as a permanent hexenbeist.

      I hope it's the latter honestly.

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    • I think that if Juliette is suffering from side-effects the way Nick suffered from side-effects, her "Wesen" stage should be temporary.

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    • For Juliette Hexenbiest being temporary. NBC and Wiki Grimm have done a whole lot of editing to include Juliette as a Hexenbiest.

      She is no longer under the human catagory. even though Nick, Kelly, and Trubel are.  

      List if Hexenbiest


      Adalind Schade

      Sean Renard(half-Zauberbiest) Diana Schade-Renard(3/4 Hexenbiest) Elizabeth Lascelles

      [1]Frau Pech [2]Catherine Schade [3]Serena Dunbrook [4]Camilla Gotleib William Del Negro Danielle Lanive
      Beatrice, Renard's second cousin
      Olympia
      Alexandros (hybrid)


      Adalind remained catagorized hexenbiest even when she lost how power. 

      They even have Diana as 3/4 hexenbiest. Oh course this could be the writers way of maintaining the suspense and speculation while they are on fall break. But reading bitsie interview and her talking about dealing with it. sounds like it is not going away.

      Nick was not changed to a Zombie.

      Juliette is the only one that has had a complete change in her profile.  That leads me to believe it is a permenant thing. 

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    • Just one thing about all of the speculation of is she or isn't she.  Do you think that the people editing this wikia are the actual writers of the series?  The same goes for those updating the NBC site.  Everyone who adds or edits is doing it with the best of intentions and best of the information they have.  That being said, I will be reserving my judgement about Juliet.  After all can anyone honestly say that they haven't been supprised about something they were sure was going to happen and didn't?  That is one of the things I love about this show - the unexpected suprises!

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    • 205.186.223.50 wrote:
      ...The only downside to Juliette being a hexenbiest is if her personality changes to her becoming evil. ..

      Why should she become evil, just because of the hexenbiest? The Wesen per se doesn't change her personality instantly. Push the button and kaboom... Dr. Jeckyll's gone and hello to Mr. Hyde? Sound much to schizophrenic. And it's not like there's no other way for a Wesen but to live like the inner beast 'tells' you to. Otherwise Monroe never could've gone Wieder against his Blutbad-nature.

      It's even like what Nick's doing. He goes against every Grimm-rule and instinct in befriending Wesen. Just because it's tradition, it doesn't mean you can't change course of things.

      And Renards doesn't seem to be so bad just because of the Biest within, but mostly because of the way the family treated him and his mother (and they probably won't stop doing so any time soon...). There's a saying: "Wie es in den Wald hineinschallt..." or 'We reap what we sow'...

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    • I think the same ways as Bheadr27. I think Juliette will be a "good" Hexenbiest.

      What do you think, has Nick same Hexenbücher / Spellbooks in his trailer? ^^

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    • LittleNaiad21 wrote:
      I think the same ways as Bheadr27. I think Juliette will be a "good" Hexenbiest.

      What do you think, has Nick same Hexenbücher / Spellbooks in his trailer? ^^


      :) should search very hard !!! and the hat adlind used for spell is good too!

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    • Bheadr27 wrote:
      205.186.223.50 wrote:
      ...The only downside to Juliette being a hexenbiest is if her personality changes to her becoming evil. ..
      Why should she become evil, just because of the hexenbiest? The Wesen per se doesn't change her personality instantly. Push the button and kaboom... Dr. Jeckyll's gone and hello to Mr. Hyde? Sound much to schizophrenic. And it's not like there's no other way for a Wesen but to live like the inner beast 'tells' you to. Otherwise Monroe never could've gone Wieder against his Blutbad-nature.

      It's even like what Nick's doing. He goes against every Grimm-rule and instinct in befriending Wesen. Just because it's tradition, it doesn't mean you can't change course of things.

      And Renards doesn't seem to be so bad just because of the Biest within, but mostly because of the way the family treated him and his mother (and they probably won't stop doing so any time soon...). There's a saying: "Wie es in den Wald hineinschallt..." or 'We reap what we sow'...

      i am agree, why she should be a bad wesen when she is good person
      ?

      as bheader said, the most anti-nature-rule character in film is nick. 

      i think juliet is the frist good hexenbiest in film(after sean mother maybe?) and it is cool! hexenbiest are so powerfull and you mix it with a good person= somthing like nick but a little fewer.

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    • I wonder  if Juliette will use adalind's grimoire. remember Elizabeth left the grimoire and the hat with Sean. I could see her using the Grimoire but I don't think she would want anything to do with the hat. Unless it has other abilities beside transformations. Or she could use the hat to transform into the top weseren leader and grant monroe and rosalee a parden. That would be interesting, Julittee as a man. The jokes about her getting use to having male parts. Like shifting back and forth ask how do you walk with this thing.  Or after changing into the weseren leader she tries to kiss Nick he pulls back. And just like when she became adalind, she tells him "its still me". 

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    • I will ask the question. When they are in bed, even if Nick could get past the look. How is she going to handle seeing her sole in Nicks eyes. I am sure people would say just don't woge. Well it seems the first level of the woge is triggered by emotion. They are in bed, so she has to be emotionlist? 

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    • Syscrash53 wrote:
      I will ask the question. When they are in bed, even if Nick could get past the look. How is she going to handle seeing her sole in Nicks eyes. I am sure people would say just don't woge. Well it seems the first level of the woge is triggered by emotion. They are in bed, so she has to be emotionlist? 

      That's a very interesting question. But my guess is that when they are in bed and Juliette woges, she will just have to get use to seeing her dark soul through Nick's eyes, just as Nick will have to get use to seeing Julietee as a wesen.

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    • as is told u before Grimm and hexenbiest...! oh boy! and the intresting point is at the time of sleeping, and how she will explain it for trubel is she came back? i think that time josh is a grimm...

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    • Maybe emotions do not control when hexenbiest  woge. When Adalind realized she was at Nicks house she did not woge. So if for hexenbiest, a woge is intentional and not instinctual. This would mean Juliette would only woge when she wants to. Wesen like Monroe, Rosalee, and Bud have to prepare (get in the mode) to woge. Adalind, Catherine, Elizabeth even Sean can woge at will. For them it is like flexing a muscle. In the beginning I could see Juliette woge unintentionally. The only way I would buy Juliette being ok with the hexed look is she sees it as a show of power. If you notice when hexenbiest woge, they do it like a warrior drawing their sword.  If Juliette embraces being hexed and uses it to intemidate this will work. But if they have her all whinny complaining i'am ugly this hexed thing will suck. I hope they don't go through a long arc of convincing juliette to woge and learn to use her powers. I would want to see her go through the scream of shock. But then look at her self in the mirror and woge again. She stands there looking at herself  un-woges turns walks away smiling. 

      She hates Adalind, but knows Adalind is a witch with super strength and no way she could bet her in a fight. Now she is Adalind equal. She can now get revenge.  The money shot is Adalind woges to intimidate Juliette, and Juliette woges back. Would adalind un-woge in shock??

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    • I think Rosalee, Monroe and co can't control the woge because they're animal and Hexenbiest/Zauberbiest are human. Animals have a higher flight instinct than human. ^^°

      I want to see the Hexenbitch-fight between Adalind and Juliette. ^^

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    • but the frist wesen nick see was adlind and she woged on the street and i think that was not related to she Want to woge in street, nick saw her woge. renard is half zauberbiest, he couldnt see woge of caschey(i hope right pronance)  and he can not woge what people dont see and only grimm.

      i think it is not controlable

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    • When Adalind woged in the pilot she deliberaetly turn to him and woged. Other then when Sean was in the barn with Monroe and Hank  (the Nick Zombie ep) I can't think of any other time he woged in front of humans.

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    • sure,if u count on muse as a human,he did, but point is, now i am thinking on wildeshier episode"wild hunt" when monroes father told "when wildeshier come, something happend in somewhere that change the world" , and all people who watch that think that Diana was that accident, i think, the big changing world accident was adlind  take her powers back and make a Grimm to not Grimm and than his love to a hexen biest, i dont think in all  proudly grimms history never ever "(even in theory or as friend) a hexenbiest and grimm stay toghther as nick and juliet,

      i think they should deal with this situation . make history by the team: Grimm- blutbad-fochsbau-zauberbiest-kerseite-even bud -and hexenbiest.

      if not

      nothing will be left

      cool!

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    • Syscrash53 wrote:
      Maybe emotions do not control when hexenbiest  woge. When Adalind realized she was at Nicks house she did not woge. So if for hexenbiest, a woge is intentional and not instinctual. This would mean Juliette would only woge when she wants to. Wesen like Monroe, Rosalee, and Bud have to prepare (get in the mode) to woge. Adalind, Catherine, Elizabeth even Sean can woge at will. For them it is like flexing a muscle. In the beginning I could see Juliette woge unintentionally. The only way I would buy Juliette being ok with the hexed look is she sees it as a show of power. If you notice when hexenbiest woge, they do it like a warrior drawing their sword.  If Juliette embraces being hexed and uses it to intemidate this will work. But if they have her all whinny complaining i'am ugly this hexed thing will suck. I hope they don't go through a long arc of convincing juliette to woge and learn to use her powers. I would want to see her go through the scream of shock. But then look at her self in the mirror and woge again. She stands there looking at herself  un-woges turns walks away smiling. 

      She hates Adalind, but knows Adalind is a witch with super strength and no way she could bet her in a fight. Now she is Adalind equal. She can now get revenge.  The money shot is Adalind woges to intimidate Juliette, and Juliette woges back. Would adalind un-woge in shock??

      Every Wesen can woge when they want to. They also sometimes just do it when they are under stress or a surge of emotion without intentionally wogeing.

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    • It appears to woge at will is not easy. Look at how hard of a time Bud had when showing Juliette. He even states he can't woge at will.  The three time Monroe demostrated the woge he had to get ready. And each time he looked as to be in pain or at least discomfort. Or maybe because he is blutbad  the clinched teeth is part of his look. When Rosalee woges especially when looking at Monroe there is no sign of discomfort. 

      By the way what's with the head roll they do when wogeing. Is it how you woge are the result of the woge?

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    • Syscrash53 wrote: It appears to woge at will is not easy. Look at how hard of a time Bud had when showing Juliette. He even states he can't woge at will.  The three time Monroe demostrated the woge he had to get ready. And each time he looked as to be in pain or at least discomfort. Or maybe because he is blutbad  the clinched teeth is part of his look. When Rosalee woges especially when looking at Monroe there is no sign of discomfort. 

      By the way what's with the head roll they do when wogeing. Is it how you woge are the result of the woge?

      Actually, woging at will is rather easy, as monroe has demonstrated in numerous episodes. The difficulty is in woging so that Humans can see them (a "full woge"). When Bud stated he could not woge at "the drop of a hat" he was referring to this woge type.

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    • Syscrash53 wrote: ...By the way what's with the head roll they do when wogeing. Is it how you woge are the result of the woge?

      It's similar to the nodding of Jeannie the djinni, it just marks the point where something's happening.
      Think of it like just a way for the guys to do the 'moviemagic' i.e. the CGI ;-)

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    • Bheadr27 wrote:
      Syscrash53 wrote: ...By the way what's with the head roll they do when wogeing. Is it how you woge are the result of the woge?
      It's similar to the nodding of Jeannie the djinni, it just marks the point where something's happening.
      Think of it like just a way for the guys to do the 'moviemagic' i.e. the CGI ;-)

      makes sense. with the head movement you mask the switch to CGI. If they hold there head still, you would see a skip if not lined up exactly. 

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    • what is CGA?

      please who r english think about who r not english!

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    • CGI

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    • CGI - Computer Generated Image

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    • Used for effects whem smoke and mirrors just don't cut it.

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    • oh thx i get it

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    • Something I've posted before and believe it is now on it's way is that Sean and Julliette are meant to be together. If the writers follow the mythos of grimm fairy tales it's inevitable. They have a great deal in common and more now. They both have sacrificed for the ones they love or care about with tragic results for themselves. If Nick goes rogue there is no place for Julliette. Also, if you recall, Julliette has already ingested Nick's blood. How can they be together without Nick loosing his Grimm? I think it would be fun and fascinating to see Sean and Julliette get involved. If the phone conversation is an example of how it would go, how fun will that be? The story line of a couple starting with angst towards each other is an old theme and so much fun. There has already been a couple of interviews where Bitsy T. Says that Julliette keeps her change a secret from Nick, Roselee and Monroe and turns to someone else. It's must be Sean. Her change is a gigantic secret to keep from Nick. Think of all the other complications. The secret of her change is just the start. If Sean and Julliette get involved it will multiply the complications to the extreme. After all, Sean's only connection to his child is threw Nick's communication with his mother, Kelly. Sean would have to keep a relationship with Julliette a secret. The writers introduced the demand that Sean help the resistance and Elizabeth is also in the hunt. Adaline is on her way and Nick will be her focus. It wouldn't surprise me if Nick turns to the dark side this season. Well, enough theorizing. Time will tell.

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    • I don't see juiette and sean being together.

      1. Juliette cares to much for Nick to have an affair with his boss. 

      2. During the memory lost when the attraction was magically induced she rejected him.

      3. Sean status and postion. both in the Wesen world and the human world, would not allow the relationship to be serious

      4.Juliette does not strike me as someone to have a fling. Adalind yes Juliette no.

      5. If the Wesen world is so hard line on purity. What will it say about a human becoming wesen?

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    • You are probably correct but...1. Julliette is holding onto the Nick of the past and Sean may not remain his boss much longer. 2. Literature is full of romantic couples starting out hating each other. 3. It would be full of hazards but that's what would make it so interesting and a very good plot development. 4. It wouldn't be a fling. 5. Exactly.

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    • Kristin.m.greene.1 wrote: You are probably correct but...1. Julliette is holding onto the Nick of the past and Sean may not remain his boss much longer. 2. Literature is full of romantic couples starting out hating each other. 3. It would be full of hazards but that's what would make it so interesting and a very good plot development. 4. It wouldn't be a fling. 5. Exactly.

      1. It is not so much that she care too much for Nick to have an affair with his boss so much as she cares for Nick too much to willingly cheat on him period.

      2. Juliette does not "hate" Renard anymore than Renard hates her. Once the spell ended they simply ceased being part of each other's worlds. As for how this sort of thing happens a lot in literature, it does. It is called a cliche, and we do not want that in grimm.

      3.Sean is, even if we give him the benifit of the doubt, extremely calculating. Unless under the influence of some kind of spell, he will ensure that he does not take any action that could jeopardize his plans. Betraying Nick in this faction, who he has put a lot of effort into winning over, would run counter to his every instint.

      4.there are too many plots and side plots in the air at the moment for the writers to Portray such a relationship in a satisfactory way.

      5. We are already examining this from Monroes and Rosalees perspective. Dealing with it with Sean and Juliette would be redundant.

      Bottom line, I and most other fans do not want to see this happen. We already dealt with this in season 2 and I think we can all agree that we had more of that storyline than we wanted to. I know that some people enjoy romantic triangles, but Grimm is not the place for this. I do not want Grimm turning into a soap opera. It should stick with monsters and shadow governments and sarcasm from everyone's favorite Sargent. It's what Grimm is good at.

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    • I had not even thought about number 3. The last thing Sean wants is to piss Nick off. Nick has two keys and his mother has his daughter. 

      OF course they could go the direction Juliette becomes so much like Adalind that Sean can use her to get the keys and find out where Nicks mother is. 

      Remember Juliette knows where the keys are. And two knows about the email communication system Nick and his mom have to contact each other in emergancies. 

      My preference Juliette Hexenbiest yes. Turn into Adalind No. 

      When NIck lost his powers bitsie did a real good job acting as Juliette as if played by Adalind. Especially when she finished and was leaving.

      When Nick got his powers back Clair did a even better job, because she actual had to deliver her lines as Juliette. And she nailed it even the expressions. 

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    • The head writer, Mr. Greenwalt, said in an article that Sean's near death experience will have a dramatic effect on his character. We still don't know what the character change will be like. There have been a few clues, however. He told Nick that the choice to regain his powers was Nick's choice. He didn't try to influence him. Sean told Nick he could tell Wu if he wanted but to leave him out of it. He has put his own needs or desires secondary to what would be best for others. I've probably missed examples of his change but I'm sure there will be some more obvious changes in future episodes. It's always interesting to see characters change and grow. He has been the most complex character in the show from the start.

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    • Kristin.m.greene.1 wrote: The head writer, Mr. Greenwalt, said in an article that Sean's near death experience will have a dramatic effect on his character. We still don't know what the character change will be like. There have been a few clues, however. He told Nick that the choice to regain his powers was Nick's choice. He didn't try to influence him. Sean told Nick he could tell Wu if he wanted but to leave him out of it. He has put his own needs or desires secondary to what would be best for others. I've probably missed examples of his change but I'm sure there will be some more obvious changes in future episodes. It's always interesting to see characters change and grow. He has been the most complex character in the show from the start.

      Complex he may be, but every character follows a set of rules that they adhere to regardless of situation. Bud will never go on a killing spree. Wu will quip whenever he can, even when suffering from a breakdown ( see "once we were gods"). Prince Vicktor will never become a good guy. Despite the changes to Sean's character over the years (moving from mysterious antagonist to scheming ally to trusted superior), some constants do and shall continue to remain. He will always be the one plotting, the one seeing patterns, the one with the contacts and the plan. He will always be more calculating, more political and more cool headed than the rest of the cast (on average). So when I say that a relationship with Juliette is off the table, I am basing my claim on the grounds that such a development goes against the parts of his character that will never change, rather than the parts of him that are more fluid.

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    • if juliet can hurt nick becuse she has blood of grimm inside, nick can take her hexenbiest power with blood of the grimm,no one try it to addlind again. and they r slept togher when juliet was addlind and i think nights after that too( no resone if film didnt show it  they just slept as good kids! )

      so i dont think juliet hurt nick, but i am sure(after many disscution with other people here) nick for some resone can not take her powers, but i am not sure other grimms are the same( trubel, nicks mother and...)

      and beside, why should juliet before know the nick`s treatment make a relationship with renard? we all know if she tell it to nick, he wont cut her head off, and i think nick and juliet are very honest to each other and it is not matter how it difficult and dangrous is, they have many time of wesen problems and if she stays by nick, nick wont do anything exlosive!

      she will tell it to nick but visual or just words, i am not sure,

      point is, if it is against the law to marry two kind of wesens, why it is not against the grimm law to hexenbiest? this issue scares me, becuse i know nicks charachter is not like this that for a accident what he dont like it and puts other in danger he left them or leave them.

      and why you all think she will be hexenbiest for ever? she was a kersite and suudenly become wesen and stay it and her child be witch too, that dost not make sense for me.

      and why sean? because he is a zauber biest? or because their ralationship? or both?

      if nick left her, maybe she do it, but if not, it is a little crazy for her, juliet is not like that.

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    • mi parecer es que a Nick no le gusta Adalind por que intento matar a su tia , es por su personalidad egoista y mala.no creo que la sangre de Nick haga efecto-demasiado obvio-en Juliette quizas como se menciono sea por que Adalind ya esta inmunizada con el .

      podria ser que se volvio hexenbiest por que esta conectada a Nick y este a Adalind.

      recuerden que el baron samedi se enfrento a un GRIMM pero lo subestimo,el GRIMM aunque es humano reacciona de forma diferente,el baron creyo que tomaria el mismo tiempo que con un humano normal

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    • پدر بیامرز انگلیسی حرف بزن!

      god bless you speak english if you want we understand

      got dir hielfen, sprech bitte auf english

      no capito,

      all i just undersatand of your words was Grimm word, many people here are same.

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    • and humano normal i think it means normal human

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    • I've made the prediction that Sean and Julliette will ultimately end up together. I've received a few somewhat hostel responses. Going back to my original post, my reasoning was that grimm is a retelling of the Grimm fairy tales. If the writers keep to the mythos, Sean and Julliette would be destined to be together. Read the intro at the beginning of "The Kiss". I also based my prediction, really guess, on other shows this pair have made. All of my predictions about this show, so far, have been way wrong, so I'm probably wrong this time also, so those who are totally disturbed by my prediction, don't despair. Based on my past success rate, this prediction will be wrong.

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    • i support all Grimm-fan ideas, even i am not agree.

      problem is, you must wait for 19 jan and than see is it right or not... here allways movies cuts for several celebration and specefic months, and waiting, dont make  fans piss off,

      so wating may open our minds to think about all aspect of the movies. when you r not seeing you imaging and find all solution you think, and here all do the same with diffrent solution, it is good thing to spend time with others thinking.

      think wide!

      but i find Grimm + Hexenbiest very funny and chalanging than a Hexenbiest and Zauber biest.

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    • guys maybe it's just nick or juliette seeing a bad dream

      who knows

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    • 2.178.21.38 wrote:
      guys maybe it's just nick or juliette seeing a bad dream

      who knows

      special idea!

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    • but if juliette is become a Hexenbiest im gonna kill myself cause its too bad :D (( i have this feeling right now : 99% just a dream 1% true ))

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    • why? maybe you scare that she shot table to nick? dont worry she wont kill nick

      and beside, hexenbiest are more powerfull than you imagin but ofcurese ugly.

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    • it's not good at all that we seeing juliette as a hexenbiest 

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    • guys look at this pics you can see wu is ok and back to work https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqkAQeNJDgY


      and in this trailer juliette is ok and monro is in danger and nick is going to help him

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU6PrlK-aM4

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    • sorry!

      youtube is filter!

      some one can please take picture and upload here?

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    • 2.178.21.38 wrote:
      it's not good at all that we seeing juliette as a hexenbiest 

      why not?

      ripper(or hundjager or  what ever) (to juliett) : i am come to kill your husbend becuse he is a Grimm!!!!!

      juliet Woget

      ripper : oh holy carp! you r an hexenbiest !

      ripper pass down

      no one come to hurt them again!

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    • Wolfwand wrote:
      2.178.21.38 wrote:
      it's not good at all that we seeing juliette as a hexenbiest 
      why not?

      ripper(or hundjager or  what ever) (to juliett) : i am come to kill your husbend becuse he is a Grimm!!!!!

      juliet Woget

      ripper : oh holy carp! you r an hexenbiest !

      ripper pass down

      no one come to hurt them again!

      maybe you right but i dont like this :D

      dar zemn bara youtube ham az filter shekan estefade kon baradar :D

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    • goftam dadash, internetam ro mikhore,  shaba ham mikham bekhabam, pule internet ro khodam bayad  bedam pas  zuram miad. ax mituni begiri , begir post kon.

      do it for poor people! their Grimm of blood is going to less, it is only my fun in my life now

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    • Wolfwand wrote:
      goftam dadash, internetam ro mikhore,  shaba ham mikham bekhabam, pule internet ro khodam bayad  bedam pas  zuram miad. ax mituni begiri , begir post kon.

      do it for poor people! their Grimm of blood is going to less, it is only my fun in my life now

      me too ok let me see why i can do

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    • thx i am waiting for that

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    • I believe that the prince once stated that Adaline would be useful because she still has some Grimm blood in her. I assume that the ritual that returned her powers made her stronger than a usual Hexebiest, and that having been exposed to Grimm blood once gives her an immunity to that. Nick's mother also said that the events would resort in her child being much mor powerful and valuale than usual. Sean's moter stated that the ritual which Adaline used to remove Nick's power's was so complicated that it could only work if she had lost her powers and regained them with the other ritual while pregnant. I assume that Juliette's Wesen status is derived form Adaline's and thus she would also share the special advantages over a normal Hexenbiest. I do not think that Grimm blood would work to remove her new abilities, nor do I want it to. 

      I do wonder how she will learn to use all her new abilities.. Hexenbiest abilities do not seem as innate as most Wesen's strengths. Sure, she may already have superstrength when woges and maybe even be able to use telekenesis subconsiously when threatened, but most Hexenbiest powers rely on arcane lore around potion making. Sean and even Adaline were largely ignorant of how to make most of their zaubertränke, having to rely on more experienced Hexenbiests for guidance. Who will teach Juliette? Sean's mom has already left, and most other Hexenbiests would be hostile to them. I suppose she could experiment with the Zaubertank recipe book on her own, or perhaps with a little help from Rosalee, but that could be dangerous. 

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    • A new character, an old family friend of Sean's, will probably be the one who will help Juliette. Also, I asked at another stream, if anyone else remembers that Juliette also ingested Nick's blood. That would seem to be a problem for the couple. Either the writers will ignore that little detail or give us an explanation. That would seem contrived unless it is a very good explanation.

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    • A point to concider about Juliette being a hexenbiest. If Juliette does become a full hexenbiest like Adalind and continues to be the good character.  That would make her a super hero which would through off the shows balance.  We will never see Nick and Juliette fighting side by side as Grimm and Hexenbiest.  It might be a good idea but it is not keeping wth the show. Juliettes being a hexenbiest will just be another one of the complications that the two have to deal with. It will have a bunch of problems with none of the benifits. The resolution will be a cure or a way to make it dormant. Unless it is a only hexenbiest in look only. Then it will go on as a disability. But  i predict juliette will not be the kick ass super hexenbiest like Adalind who uses her abilities as a weapon.  Instead she will work with Rosale making Zaubertrank's. There will be episodes where Juliette goes under cover into places that are wesen only. The rest of the series we will not see Juliette woge very much. 

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    • Syscrash53 wrote:
      .... But  i predict juliette will not be the kick ass super hexenbiest like Adalind who uses her abilities as a weapon.  Instead she will work with Rosale making Zaubertrank's. There will be episodes where Juliette goes under cover into places that are wesen only. The rest of the series we will not see Juliette woge very much. 

      I can see that, too (having the Zombie-episode in mind). And it would be an immense relieve for Rosalee and Monroe. Giving them the opportunity and time to become parents for instance ;-)

      One thing's for sure, if Juliette wants to stay with Nick, she has to be a part of his world. One way or the other. That much was clear to her, by the time they encountered Baron Legba. And now with what little part of a hexenbiest she might have been given, she definetly is part of it. She did not volunteer for the biest, but she held on to Nick and his grimm, when she had the chance to leave him and the grimm for good.

      Only problem, they don't really talk about it... sigh...

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    • I don't believe Juliette is becoming a Hexenbiest. I think Renard's mother put in a little extra something in Juliette's potion that did more than change her appearance. I believe the baby is a Hexenbiest and it's causing Juliette to have Hexenbiest delusions.

      We saw everything Adalind had to go through to get her Hexenbiest powers back. If it was as simple as inhaling green smoke from a witches hat, I'm sure Adalind would have done that.

      Renard's mother didn't stick around to see if her potion worked. She got out of town fast. Could Renard's mother be trying to create the ultimate child? Juliette could give birth to a 1/2 Hexenbiest, 1/2 Grimm, and possibly bring down the ruling Royal Renard family.

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    • Kevin07kelly wrote:
      I don't believe Juliette is becoming a Hexenbiest. I think Renard's mother put in a little extra something in Juliette's potion that did more than change her appearance. I believe the baby is a Hexenbiest and it's causing Juliette to have Hexenbiest delusions.

      We saw everything Adalind had to go through to get her Hexenbiest powers back. If it was as simple as inhaling green smoke from a witches hat, I'm sure Adalind would have done that.

      Renard's mother didn't stick around to see if her potion worked. She got out of town fast. Could Renard's mother be trying to create the ultimate child? Juliette could give birth to a 1/2 Hexenbiest, 1/2 Grimm, and possibly bring down the ruling Royal Renard family.

      "I believe the baby is a Hexenbiest "

      What baby? As far as I know Juliette isnt pregnant but Adalind's baby is most likely hexenbiest yes!

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    • I think the theory is Sleeping with Nick as Adalind Juliette is now pregent with a hexenbiest child. It is the child making Juliette woge and break glass.  I sure hope that is not where they are going. 

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    • Syscrash53 wrote:
      I think the theory is Sleeping with Nick as Adalind Juliette is now pregent with a hexenbiest child. It is the child making Juliette woge and break glass.  I sure hope that is not where they are going.

      if you R right...

      imagaine their suprise!

      i dont think it happends. someone here must be hexenbiest to have a hexenbiest child and who were hexenbies? sure not nick. and juliet just transfer to adllind and in that change she was not hexenbiest. she didnt woge she was very under pressure and than loos her control. it is side effect of that potion that fefuuch,...what ever.

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    • Syscrash53 wrote:
      I think the theory is Sleeping with Nick as Adalind Juliette is now pregent with a hexenbiest child. It is the child making Juliette woge and break glass.  I sure hope that is not where they are going. 

      Juliette did a pregnancy-test, three times already. So she's currently most likely not pregnant.

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    • The nightmare was a creative way for the writers to allow us to see Juliette go all Adalind without changing the story. So now that we see this is Juliette biggest fear.  Could they make that fear come true. Especially if she is feeling evil each time she woges. That is why she had the nightmare of what could happen. Making  it even more ugent to find a cure.  How much longer before juliette finishes changing so she can control when she woges. I hope they don't make being a hexenbiest uncontrollable, I would rather see her able to own being a hexenbiest. To have Juliette turn into an uncontrolllable monster right after trying to convience Wu that wesen are good as going to make for some long conversations. Not to mention having to hunt your girl friend, could really put a strain on the relationship. 

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    • Syscrash53 wrote:
      .... Not to mention having to hunt your girl friend, could really put a strain on the relationship. 

      XD You could say that ;-)) I hope someone will notice what's happenig to her in the next episode.

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    • It looks like Tribunal will turn into one big battle. I can not see the writers not letting it come out. We have already seen Juliette trying to tell Nick, But always the wrong time. We have not seen Juliette woge at will be we know she will woge when stressed. I can not think of anything more stressful then the wesenrein. 

      The question is would Juliettes revelation and Monroes rescue be to much for one episode. Or is Monroes resuce a good point to show what Juliette can do. Then Tribunal could be where Juliettes freinds become afraid of her. If it is to show what Juliette can do, that was already done in the nighmare. The nighmare shows Juliettes big fear. This could be where that fear is made real. 

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    • huh, I can't really imagine anyone of the Scooby gang getting afraid of Juliette. Concerned yes, but afraid? They didn't even got afraid with Nick beeing a violent Zombie, so I think they can handle a 'little Hexenbiest-mess' ;-)

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    • Bheadr27 wrote:
      huh, I can't really imagine anyone of the Scooby gang getting afraid of Juliette. Concerned yes, but afraid? They didn't even got afraid with Nick beeing a violent Zombie, so I think they can handle a 'little Hexenbiest-mess' ;-)
      D a little hexenbiest-mess, ha?

      next time nick and juliet  got uppogn(I hope write currectly)  , i just want to know who will survive or how much going to pay for fix kaput things.

      nice!

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    • couldn't understand that comment.

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    • If she is like in her nightmare (out of control hexenbiest) her friends will be scared of her. In her nightmare she attacked Rosalee out of nature not because she was angry.  She even told Rosalee to run because she felt herself losing control. 

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    • DreamwalkerOfTheDreamscape wrote:
      couldn't understand that comment.


      sorry!

      i mean hexenbiest explode every thing when they are angry or shot somthing aside without hand. if juliet become angry because of nick than....maybe we must gather nicks pieces around the home or they should pay alot for broken staff.

      i hope explain better.

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    • IN the promo photos for S04E11 Death do us part.  Is that the hexenbiest page Juliette seems to be studing. I sure hope so that would mean wshe chooses to own being a hexenbiest. Which also means that episode 9 and 10 marks the change in the direction of the show.  This is the point where Nick and Juliette work as a team. 

      Season one Juliette was in the dark

      Season two Juliette becomes aware. 

      Season three Juliette's education begins.

      Season four Juliette graduates into a full blown wesen. 

      I predict

      Season five will be Nick and Juliette as a super team tracking down the keys and what the keys open. 

      If the first few seasons A Grimm working with a wesen was perceived to be unbelievable. The impression of a Grimm working with a hexenbiest. The Royals have one Adalind now the Resistence has one Juliette. 

      My speculation on the episode of S04E15 "Double Date"  Nick & Juliette plus Monroee & Rosalee need to go somewhere that only wesen are allowed. 

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    • in sneak peak , who want to Wge right to wu's face?

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    • poor Wu

      I agree which Syscrash53

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    • Syscrash53 wrote:

      ...If the first few seasons A Grimm working with a wesen was perceived to be unbelievable. The impression of a Grimm working with a hexenbiest. The Royals have one Adalind now the Resistence has one Juliette. 

      ...

      I don't think Nick can be regarded as a member of the Resistence...

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    • Bheadr27 wrote:
      Syscrash53 wrote:
      ...If the first few seasons A Grimm working with a wesen was perceived to be unbelievable. The impression of a Grimm working with a hexenbiest. The Royals have one Adalind now the Resistence has one Juliette. 

      ...

      I don't think Nick can be regarded as a member of the Resistence...

      i am agree too, he is not member of resistance or royals. that let him to do the right thing.

      my exprience learned me if you choose a side , you r not able to do right things in frist place.

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    • Sean is with the resistence and Sean has Nick so by association the resistence have a Grimm

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    • Syscrash53 wrote:
      Sean is with the resistence and Sean has Nick so by association the resistence have a Grimm

      we here somthing called "Beitol MAl" i am not sure what doest it mean in english but close to " public can use it freely and no one can blame them for that " and if somthing blong to Beitol mal no one ownes it . i means all people can use it. mybe seems funny but nick is Beitol mal's Grimm ( if persian people read this they will laugh long as they can!). no one own him. as her mother, no one own him

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    • i probly mistake in her him

      as his mother, no one own her

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    • For that matter Sean is "Beitol MA"  he works with the resistence but is not really apart. of the resistence. I am thinking of the resistence he was not really welcome.

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    • Sean have many sides ,and very diffrent sides thinks he is with tham, the not clear of his reason to do such a " be with everything and dont mix everything" for him is a big strategy you never find out what he is thinking to, if you watch series, you can understand all people who knows him,bleave what he said, but most no trust him.

      he is more complicated than choose a side and stick to it.

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    • he doesnt  blong Beitolmal i mean

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    • Using the nightmare sequence to show Juliette do a full woge, throws off Juliettes evolution. Without the nightmare we have only seen Juliette woge once. The second time she got the headache she only broke glass. Using Nicks progress of getting his Grimm back each time he went though gaining an additional ability it was precedded by pain. Also the process took two days. So far Juliette has only been going though the transformation for one day. She too goes through pain with the addition of a new ability. First the woge, second telekineses. At this point I can't wait to see what the next headache brings. Maybe pyrokinetic or the ability to create illusions. Because she is a transformed human maybe she will have a unique ability that other hexenbiest don't have. Something psychic like the ability to read minds, or the abilty to influence people.  Both would be something if she where to gain that ability it would take her awile to realize that the results where her.  

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    • Syscrash53 wrote:
      For that matter Sean is "Beitol MA"  he works with the resistence but is not really apart. of the resistence. I am thinking of the resistence he was not really welcome.

      Duh, 5 Minutes earlier you said Renard IS with the Resistance and therefor Nick an Associate... So... is he now or not?

      As for Juliettes 'upgrades' interesting idea. I sure would love her having special abilities :)

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    • Bheadr27 wrote:
      Syscrash53 wrote:
      For that matter Sean is "Beitol MA"  he works with the resistence but is not really apart. of the resistence. I am thinking of the resistence he was not really welcome.
      Duh, 5 Minutes earlier you said Renard IS with the Resistance and therefor Nick an Associate... So... is he now or not?

      As for Juliettes 'upgrades' interesting idea. I sure would love her having special abilities :)

      where were you bheader? we finished the 'beitolmal ' discuss 2 days ago! and new ability of hexenbiest without any derstoying,how can explain ? :)

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    • Juliette has her special powers, with more to come. Plus she OWNs being a hexenbiest juliettexnbiest. Her telling Renard first, opens for Nick hearing about Sean being with a hexenbiest. Nick thinks it's Adalind but finds out it's Juliette. 

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    • Syscrash53 wrote:
      Juliette has her special powers, with more to come. Plus she OWNs being a hexenbiest juliettexnbiest. Her telling Renard first, opens for Nick hearing about Sean being with a hexenbiest. Nick thinks it's Adalind but finds out it's Juliette. 

      make scense but i dont think if nick find out she is hexenbiest adlind or not KILL HER BY THAT AXE! that shown in promo. i thin she is dreaming. a bad one. nick is not such that Grimm. kill frist ask later.

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    • Or maybe not

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    • Wolfwand wrote: make scense but i dont think if nick find out she is hexenbiest adlind or not KILL HER BY THAT AXE! that shown in promo. i thin she is dreaming. a bad one. nick is not such that Grimm. kill frist ask later.

      lilyoftheval5: My first thought as well. But he's also a Grimm that was fooled once and did not notice that he slept with a wrong woman. So if Juliette acts weird, he checks up whether she is human/wesen/hexenbiest... I can see him coming ready to do the job properly this time if he confirms another false-Juliette. Especially if a hexenbiest is involved.

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    • Wolfwand wrote:

      where were you bheader? we finished the 'beitolmal ' discuss 2 days ago! and new ability of hexenbiest without any derstoying,how can explain ? :)

      Different time zone ;-)

      What do you mean? Destroying things around her like shattering glass?

      I think it's a dream. Nick has never swung the Doppelaxt til now. And he didn't even bring one to the tribuneral...

      But he's gonna get suspicious soon, if she keeps talking with Renard, but not with him.

      And Rosalee kind of confirmed, that Juliette's gonna have special powers. But it's really a very strong 'sideeffect' for beeing Adalind for about an hour or less... But even though she woged when attacked, she didn't do anything physical. No throat-riping. Do we know who shot her attacker?

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    • Juliette blow his head off. Just like she broke the glass and Adalind broke the car windows.

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    • You know.  Its possible that Juliette was always a hexenbiest, like through ancestors, but diluted.  The spell just "kickstarted" her abilities.

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    • I am loving Juliet as Hexenbiest.  How casually she gets back up after she microwave that blutbad, that expression was perfect. 

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    • 96.233.195.15 wrote:
      I am loving Juliet as Hexenbiest.  How casually she gets back up after she microwave that blutbad, that expression was perfect. 

      hexenbiest are very powerfull,who said thay are not strong enough as grimms? can a grimm ever do what she did?

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    • Nick odia a Adalind por que ella fue a asesinar a su tia Marie,no por ser una hexenbiest

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    • I'm loving Rosalee's comments about hexenbiest who are made instead of born being even more dangerous. Does that mean that Juliette will be stronger? Or that she will have more trouble controlling herself? Also, Adalind was born a hexenbiest, but she lost those powers. She later regained them. Would she still have the power of a hexenbiest who was born, or does that bring her to the same level as Juliette? I like to think Adalind still has her normal strength, as the ritual she followed was regaining her powers and not an original creation. Then again, part of her regaining those powers had to do with her child being born, didn't it? I may be wrong, my memory's not the best. But from my understanding, that was one powerful little baby. Could that have somehow boosted Adalind's powers beyond her original strengths? Perhaps not. Perhaps she's only back to her former self, which would still leave Juliette as the "more dangerous" hexenbiest according to Rosalee's ominous words. Either way, I'm really hoping to see a face-off between our hexenbabes in the future!

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    • One idea the ritual Adalind went through to get her powers back, really was not for her but to make Diana a choosen one. That would make Adalind a restored hexenbiest and Juliette a created hexenbiest. We know Adalind has the same sonic ability as Juliette. You would think when in the woods and the blutbad was holding her down and she woged. I would have excepted more of a look of surprise. I do like that Juliette owned being a hexenbiest in that sceen. I was hoping they where not going to have her lose control. We are in for one big plot twist. With the power Juliette has the price will be really high. If Nick getting his Grimm back the price was Julieeete being a hexnebiest. What is the price for Juliette being a hexenbiest. For some reason she has to give up Nick?? 

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    • I think Juliette and Nick's complications will not be if they should take away his or her powers but that they can't, even if they want to. I think it could also mean that they can't mix, as in have babies. Remember when she thought she was pregnant and she wasn't? She seemed kind of sad that she wasn't, so even if it's not the time for babies now, I think the prospect of not ever being able to might put some serious doubts into the relationship. And about Juliette vs. Adalind: I don't think Adalind was made into a hexenbiest, because she already was one. She kind of just regained her powers (or took them away from someone else). A normal human would never have been able to turn into a hexenbiest using the ritual she did (she had to have lost her powers by a Grimm and then be pregnant). Juliette never had any hexenbiest powers, thus she was made into one and should therefore be more powerful than Adalind. Remember how teenage Wesen who are just starting to woge are sometimes highly unstable and dangerous? Well, Juliette wasn't eased into it, so I think her being new to her powers will make her just that, not evil. However, I think she will be able to get the hang of it eventually and become an even greater asset to the Grimm team. Plus, I think she will kill Adalind.

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    • The inability to have children would not make a story arch because of the time restrictions. Plus Sean is an example of purity not being a requirement. If Nicks Grimm blood would have an effect you would have seen that by now. AS a couple Nick and Juliette would have swapped bodily fluids by now. Also it does not make sense that Adalind has to go through this elaborite ritual and Juliette only has to use the hat. I am thinking the ritual was more for Diana then it was for Adalind.  

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    • Anyone else think that the look on Renard's face is priceless when Juliette woges?

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    • suprised yes speechless no.  EVen the guys who brains she blowup did not seemed that shocked when Juliette woged. In the nightmare Rosalee had a true expression of shock and suprise

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    • The Contaminatio Rutualis didn't need her to be pregnant. That just made a difference in performing the 'Verfluchte Zwillingsschwester'-curse.

      So the Ritualis was not done to make her daughter a 'superhexenbiest' in particular, but it was ment as Adalinds 'payment' for giving the baby away. People tend to forget, that she originally didn't want her baby, only to be a hexenbiest again. Maybe the Gypsy-Lady (can't remember her name - sorry) intended her child to become something special in performing the ritual while beeing pregnant, but it was never Adalinds original intention.

      And why shouldn't they be able to get a child? I don't see a real problem with that. It's like what Monroe once said, it's a question of 'Vorherrschen' and Renard is a mixed royal-hexenbiest-offspring. So... why not?

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    • a baby will explode the serie. because you should care the chid? mother? people? save the world?

      i told here before, nick and juliet child is a grimm biest!

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    • Bheadr27 wrote:
      The Contaminatio Rutualis didn't need her to be pregnant. That just made a difference in performing the 'Verfluchte Zwillingsschwester'-curse.

      So the Ritualis was not done to make her daughter a 'superhexenbiest' in particular, but it was ment as Adalinds 'payment' for giving the baby away. People tend to forget, that she originally didn't want her baby, only to be a hexenbiest again. Maybe the Gypsy-Lady (can't remember her name - sorry) intended her child to become something special in performing the ritual while beeing pregnant, but it was never Adalinds original intention.

      And why shouldn't they be able to get a child? I don't see a real problem with that. It's like what Monroe once said, it's a question of 'Vorherrschen' and Renard is a mixed royal-hexenbiest-offspring. So... why not?

      Stephania i think.

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    • 173.172.138.159 wrote:
      Anyone else think that the look on Renard's face is priceless when Juliette woges?

      lilyoftheval5: Absolutely. I keep rewatching both the ending of the episode and the promo.Priceless!

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    • 212.76.228.186 wrote:
      173.172.138.159 wrote:
      Anyone else think that the look on Renard's face is priceless when Juliette woges?
      lilyoftheval5: Absolutely. I keep rewatching both the ending of the episode and the promo.Priceless!


      i like at promo that juliet told him: "your mother says maybe side efect.. you call it ...side effect?!"

      i really become excited at that time.and laugh !!!

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    • The great part is you can not even speculate what Seans response is going to be. We know he seeks help from a friend, and that friend works with Juliette. I would think this means Sean will be supportive. It will be Sean that explains to NIck about Juliette being a hexenbiest and prepares him for what that might mean. It is this discussion where Nick realizes that if Juliette can not control being a hexnebiest he will have to be the one to stop her. This is what leads to him having the worse nightmare of his life. Enter the ax. He will be supportive an keeps telling Juliette she will be ok. It will be Juliette who will have doubts. It will be Juliette who starts to wonder should she leave before she gets out of control. 

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    • Why did Adalind have to go through the Contamination Ritualis but Juliette only needed to do the Verfluchte Zwillingsschwester ritual.  I just seems odd that it takes more to restore a hexenbiest instead of creating a hexenbiest. This is why I think Frau pech lied to Adalind, the Contamination Ritualis was for Diana. The returning of Adalinds powers was easy just like it was for Juliette to become a hexenbiest. 

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    • I think nobody knew what effects could have the Verfluchte, the mother said that there might be side effects, but I don´t think she refers to that. Besides sean was surprised when he finded out, and he knew the potion that Adalind was using and the effect on Nick.

      And Adalind became more powerfull with de contamination ritualis because she was pregnat of an already part hexenbiest baby, the mather of Sean said it.

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    • A big question for Juliette from this point forward does she leave the gun at home. It is obvious she is deadly without it. Also does she have telekinisis?   

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    • I like Juliette being a hexenbiest. It'll mean she'll have a more active involvement in Nick's Grimm life than just tagging along or doing research about Wessen. This will also afford her some means of defending herself instead of just relying on Nick for protection. After Teresa Rubel left, I think the writers wanted another central female character taking part on a bit of "action."

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    • I don't think ADalind is a superbiest like Juliette. When Adalind got mad she blow out car windows Juliette upset blow up a car. 

      I do wonder who has more power Juliette and Diana???  

      What I like most is Juliette now has a reason to show attitude. 

      the line "Nick you can't protect me , this is something I will have to do myself" 

      like in Tribunal when the gang was wlaking down the hall. It is hard not seeing the hexenbiest version of Juliette. When in the fight with Alicia boyfriend she backed up, AGainst the manticore she backed up. I thank that will be the last time we see Juliette back up from anything. In the promo instead of backing up Juliette attacks Adalind. 

      The conversation about there being one less hexenbiest. I think is missleading. It is made to make us think Nick still doesn't know. But then they had a promo with Nick cutting Juliette head off. I think Nick knows about Juliette and makes the comment without thinking. This will lead to wonder if Nick is also talking about her. if he does make the comment knowing of Juliette change. That would mean he does not see her as a hexenbiest.  FRom the way the show goes I don't think Nick will have a problem because Juliette is a hexenbiest. The problem will be what it means, or the consquences, or that it reminds him of Adalind. When Nick finds out about Juliette he is going to be appoligetic blaming himself for what Adalind has done. 

      If they don't let Juliette condition be know it wil be hard to write it into the WOW action. Unless they play it Juliette defeats the monster and then comes up with some lame excuse. The same that is done on everyother supernatural show where familly and friends are keep in the dark.  I  binged on Arrow this weekend. A show a lot like Grimm except that entire show is about keeping the ones you love in the dark. Even when it makes no sense. and comine sense would show their secret identity. So yes they could keep everyone in the dark and use lame excuses. such as :his missed, I got lucky" or the better one "I hit myself with the pepper mill". This come right afer "did i do that". It seems this hexenbiest thing is goign to be ore comical  then anthing. I see it week after week the gang covering up so Juliette won't get exposed. 

      I hope they don't make Juliette the jester on the show.

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    • Juliette as comical relieve? Sorry, that job is already taken by Wu ^^

      And please, no mention of Arrow, I soooo much hate what they did to all the characters... Maybe I'm a comic-purist, I won't deny it, but I like Ollie in Smallville way better...

      But back to topic ^^

      The first season of Grimm was almost entirely about Nick leaving everyone except Monroe in the Dark. And we all know how that ended... with Juliette in a coma, forgetting about Nick and fighting their way back together; Hank almost going crazy (and actually bewitched); Wu getting suspicious (and bewitched, too) and really going crazy and Renard loosing the trust of his best Detectives. So... a whole show in wich they all keep their secrets from one another - to protect the ones they love (which won't love them much longer because of all the secrets) - hasn't worked out with Grimm. That's why the big secret won't last forever. The 'one less hexenbiest' surely is one sentence of a conversation between Nick and Juliette about what to do with Adalind. And I guess, Nick is suggesting to do what Grimms are supposed to do - kill bad Wesen. If Juliette is miffed because of thet statement and her also beeing a hexenbiest, than it's on her, for she hasn't told Nick yet.

      And when he's gonna get to know, he for sure is gonna appologise without end. And it will make him even more angrier in Adalinds direction...

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    • oh girls very long texts,

      but i think juliet  scear of nick  because she become a hexenbiests and her brain is full of Grimm stories. even she knew  nick is not killer but her instinct think not such that

      but 2 timess she wants to tell nick and both screw up.

      i dont think juliet kill adlind or even nick or even sean, she wont be killed, but i think victor will leave her in portland, it is a best way to got her killed. they never let a hexenbiest grow diana up. or being with them.

      i dont trust royals at all. and adlind is stupid trust them.

      even sean want to kill her and  nick are more trustable even for adlind. nick had chance 2 times to kill her but didnt and Sean dont forgive her but wont kill her.

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    • Better not to trust the Royals, and I doubt Adalind is trusting Viktor. Like she said, she may never forgive him for putting her in the dungeon. But she has to work together with him to get her daughter back. Better to live with Diana at the royal household, than without her...

      I'm wondering if Renard will seemingly give in to Viktors offer or not...

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    • Bheadr27 wrote:
      Better not to trust the Royals, and I doubt Adalind is trusting Viktor. Like she said, she may never forgive him for putting her in the dungeon. But she has to work together with him to get her daughter back. Better to live with Diana at the royal household, than without her...

      I'm wondering if Renard will seemingly give in to Viktors offer or not...

      he will do somthing, i think Sean know how  to make people to got mistake. in this situations i think ,he is only one who can survive all together , but how? i dont know

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    • Wait and see what the new Prince is going to add to this mess... ^^°

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    • Came here to look at the Wesen, and I find out that Juliette's a Wesen... What the shit, is going on!?!??!

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    • 70.196.77.53 wrote:
      Came here to look at the Wesen, and I find out that Juliette's a Wesen... What the shit, is going on!?!??!


      i think you are watching last seaons. i think you better not read this topic.

      may i ask where you from?

      ایرانی هستی؟

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    • Wolfwand wrote:
      70.196.77.53 wrote:
      Came here to look at the Wesen, and I find out that Juliette's a Wesen... What the shit, is going on!?!??!

      i think you are watching last seaons. i think you better not read this topic.

      A little late, I guess ;-))

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    • Can someone put together a montage of Hexen  woges. So far the best one is when she is showing Henrietta.  The one where she blows up the car seems generic. The one in the mirror looks like she is working at it. But the one in front of Henrietta shows attitude. She snap into her woge looking as though she is ready to attack. I think she should make that her signature move. Adalind has a slow and deliberate head roll. Sean sort of snaps into his woge. 

      Juliette is getting more bitchy or maybe it is cocky. Especially when she tells Nick he can't protect her. She has never been dismissive of Nick. Even though Nick is like that with her a lot. 

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    • Syscrash53 wrote:
      Can someone put together a montage of Hexen  woges. So far the best one is when she is showing Henrietta.  The one where she blows up the car seems generic. The one in the mirror looks like she is working at it. But the one in front of Henrietta shows attitude. She snap into her woge looking as though she is ready to attack. I think she should make that her signature move. Adalind has a slow and deliberate head roll. Sean sort of snaps into his woge. 

      Juliette is getting more bitchy or maybe it is cocky. Especially when she tells Nick he can't protect her. She has never been dismissive of Nick. Even though Nick is like that with her a lot. 

      i can do that, but i dont know why i can not load pics( no idea) maybe i send somone who can load. let me ask

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    • I just wonder whether Grimm will lose his power once he had sex with Juliet, as Adalind's to Grimm...Then juliet will lose her power when she had some Grimm's blood. What a mess....

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    • 2.222.59.197 wrote:
      I just wonder whether Grimm will lose his power once he had sex with Juliet, as Adalind's to Grimm...Then juliet will lose her power when she had some Grimm's blood. What a mess....

      i t is big quistion but you know juliet is a not - notmal hexenbiest. anything can go by writer mind.writers hade a wide hand to move grimm forward.

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    • question.. does juliette have the hexenbiest mark on her tongue? i'm assuming so... is it very visible or not, apparently no one noticed yet?

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    • Good question, but I think she didn't have one. Because she is not real Hexenbiest.

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    • LittleNaiad21 wrote:
      Good question, but I think she didn't have one. Because she is not real Hexenbiest.


      i think she is a real real real hexenbiest dude, but yes she is not a normal hexenbies. what she did to adlind only a real witch + x-men force+ harry potter forc just can do.

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    • 2.222.59.197 wrote:
      I just wonder whether Grimm will lose his power once he had sex with Juliet, as Adalind's to Grimm...Then juliet will lose her power when she had some Grimm's blood. What a mess....

      I think the Hexenbiest needs to have ingested the blood of the Grimm (and probably some potion is also required) and not just sex with the Grimm.

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    • 74.88.203.234 wrote:
      2.222.59.197 wrote:
      I just wonder whether Grimm will lose his power once he had sex with Juliet, as Adalind's to Grimm...Then juliet will lose her power when she had some Grimm's blood. What a mess....
      I think the Hexenbiest needs to have ingested the blood of the Grimm (and probably some potion is also required) and not just sex with the Grimm.

      they can try.

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    • I find it interesting that Adalind performs the contaminatie Ritual but Diana and Julette are super biest. If the Ritual made Diana a natural hexenbiest into a super biest why did it not do the same for Adalind.  My concern is the show has now laid a solid foundation that Juliette is pretty much unstopable. She is outside of Nick ability to control. This means something with some real power is coming. I imagine it will be a well trained zauberbiest. You have all of these hexenbiest but no males interacting with them as biest. They had Adalind and Sean go at it but Sean is not full biest and he supresses his innerself. I could see the new prince has a body guard that is a zauberbiest. This show is going to become more magical. You have Hentietta using magic just because. What she did with the front door, just because. You have Juliette see moves the salt the first thing she does is try to move the pepper. The fight one giant telekineses free for all. Do you really think Juliette is not giving to move things because she can. You know Adalind will. Every time Adalind fights she starts with using telekinesis to throw something. What could make the use of praticle magic reallly interesting is Henrietta's front door. Juliette knocks as the door opens Juliette is in the house looking out. Other then teleportation what's the explaination. 

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    • Is it coincidence The Elizabeth took part in Juliettes transformation and now Henrietta is there working with Juliette. It sure seems like Juliette condition is not a side effect but part of some plan. Some plan that involves Elizabeth and Henrietta. Is Elizabeth creating a weapon to use against the Royals. That weapon being Juliette. 

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    • Syscrash53 wrote:
      Is it coincidence The Elizabeth took part in Juliettes transformation and now Henrietta is there working with Juliette. It sure seems like Juliette condition is not a side effect but part of some plan. Some plan that involves Elizabeth and Henrietta. Is Elizabeth creating a weapon to use against the Royals. That weapon being Juliette. 

      you are right, didnt she tell sean that they would need a hexenbiest like her to defeat adalind

      are henrietta and elizabeth real friends like juliette and rosalee, do hexenbiests make friends with others , can you imagine this : e+h=bff

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    • The could go even further. Elizabieth could have planed to use Juliette to raise Diana. 

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      She could raise diana herself, she is the grandmother, very powerful, and sean would accept it. Adalinds opinion seems not  to matter to anyone  . she doesnt need juliette for this. Ok juliette is propably the only one who is able to control a child like diana with her hexenbiestpower but if elizabeth knows how to turn an ordinary human into a super-hexenbiest then findind a magic trick or spell that helps to deal with little diana wont take great effort . Besides i think diana has enough self control not to harm innocent people or the people around her. Do you remember the scene after sean gave her to viktor and she did the skull thing with his coffee?she is aware of what happens around her and who is bad and who is good(to her). Dont think she would harm or disobey her own grandmother.

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    • Since Adalind did not have as much of a surprise that Juliette is a hexenbiest as she did why the amount of power Juliette has. Could Adalind have thought Juliette was always a hexebiest but had been hiding it. I am just trying to come up with a rationalization why when Juliette stopped the vase in mid air. Adalind did not un woge out of sure surprise. And question what was going on. 

      To me ADalind attacking after being thrown accross the room into the wall. Is like going to rob someone you think is unarmed only to be stearing down the barrel of two shotguns.  You don't continue to attack. Juliette throw ADalind accross the room without touching her. Adalind knows she doesn't have that kind of power. What did Adalind thank her attack was going to do.  I think the writer are just stuck on the dumb blond theme

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    • I was a little disappointed that we didn't get to see Adalind's initial reaction to Juliette stopping the vase in midair but, I figure that frame just fell victim to the scene editing. I was also surprised that Adalind immediately launched into a counterattack but, after thinking about it, I imagine that was just her instinctive hexenbiest sense of self-preservation kicking in. Think about the scene where Juliette kills the Wesenrein kid in the forest or the scene where she stops the mantacore's stinger and then turns it on him. Juliette was only just beginning to recognize her power at that point - the hexenbiest entity seems to have a mind of it's own. So Adalind just did what came naturally to her inner hexenbiest - fight back. At first they're fairly evenly matched but then Juliette's superior power begins to manifest itself and that's when Adalind realizes she's "staring down the barrel of" an ueber-hexenbiest and turns tail. So I'm able to live with that aspect of the fight.

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    • ps I just rewatched the fight scene to confirm that Juliette initially throws Adalind across the room by actually shoving her.  A little later in the fight, Adalind throws Juliette across the room and into the stairwell.  So, even if she was thinking at that point, Adalind might still believe she had a chance.  The turning point is when Adalind puts her hands up to ward her off, and Juliette just blows right through her defenses and starts tossing Adalind around like a rag doll.  Adalind was just lucky that her hexenbiest reflexes allowed her to duck away from Juliette's telekinetic knife toss or she would have been skewered!

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    • 69.91.87.55 wrote:
      ps I just rewatched the fight scene to confirm that Juliette initially throws Adalind across the room by actually shoving her.  A little later in the fight, Adalind throws Juliette across the room and into the stairwell.  So, even if she was thinking at that point, Adalind might still believe she had a chance.  The turning point is when Adalind puts her hands up to ward her off, and Juliette just blows right through her defenses and starts tossing Adalind around like a rag doll.  Adalind was just lucky that her hexenbiest reflexes allowed her to duck away from Juliette's telekinetic knife toss or she would have been skewered!

      That would also make when Juliette put Adalind on the ceiling that was also a shove. If these two events where telekinetic once Adalind hit the wall she would have been stuck there. Same with the ceiling she would have been on the ceiling till Juliette moved. 

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    • Adalind has complied the brew, shortly after she brought the Child into the World. I mean the Placenta or the passing genentic structure. She used her Blood and Magic. And she was also the bearer of various genetic codes(  Grimmblood, the Ritual, etc:) which had no effect on her but for someone else explosive. Sexual intercourse Juliette with Nick intensified everything. Juliette is like Diana a" Superhexenbiest" maybe not so strong and powerful. I don't think Nick would be able to stop her, even if he has more abilities. The only way, if she fall asleep. That's why Henrietta hopes Nick will kill Juliette. She may become stronger and a danger for her and the Royals. I hope, Juliette will stay with this Powers to help her friends, but also no longer be a victim.

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    • 82.212.18.228 wrote:
      Adalind has complied the brew, shortly after she brought the Child into the World. I mean the Placenta or the passing genentic structure. She used her Blood and Magic. And she was also the bearer of various genetic codes(  Grimmblood, the Ritual, etc:) which had no effect on her but for someone else explosive. Sexual intercourse Juliette with Nick intensified everything. Juliette is like Diana a" Superhexenbiest" maybe not so strong and powerful. I don't think Nick would be able to stop her, even if he has more abilities. The only way, if she fall asleep. That's why Henrietta hopes Nick will kill Juliette. She may become stronger and a danger for her and the Royals. I hope, Juliette will stay with this Powers to help her friends, but also no longer be a victim.

      if she learn to controll her self, and dont scare , she can do anything and it seems good a good person have such powers.

      i think frist trying to control is very hard and dertroying( even  a child who learn to walk may hurt her/his self or staff around the home) most wesen learn how to deal with their powers in years and their parrent guid them. if they not Trubel created( no one tought her no one tell her or such thnigs so she hurt everybody). but juliet is not a kid. she know what means damaging and destroying. she see alot hexenboest remaind in this story and she know even if nick dont protect her any more, she should not to kill people.( but i think she has permission to explode nick if he left her!!!)

      she will learn it. but where is the way of story going, no telling

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    • Syscrash53 wrote:
      Is it coincidence The Elizabeth took part in Juliettes transformation and now Henrietta is there working with Juliette. It sure seems like Juliette condition is not a side effect but part of some plan. Some plan that involves Elizabeth and Henrietta. Is Elizabeth creating a weapon to use against the Royals. That weapon being Juliette. 

      I am new to the series, but from what I've seen, I highly doubt Elizabeth intentionally turned Juliette into a hexenbiset, as the reason she was helping them is basically that Nick is an ally to her son.  But I wouldn't rule it out either.

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    • DarkRobin wrote:
      Syscrash53 wrote:
      Is it coincidence The Elizabeth took part in Juliettes transformation and now Henrietta is there working with Juliette. It sure seems like Juliette condition is not a side effect but part of some plan. Some plan that involves Elizabeth and Henrietta. Is Elizabeth creating a weapon to use against the Royals. That weapon being Juliette. 
      I am new to the series, but from what I've seen, I highly doubt Elizabeth intentionally turned Juliette into a hexenbiset, as the reason she was helping them is basically that Nick is an ally to her son.  But I wouldn't rule it out either.

      mee too, she told them there are a lot of unknown.

      in all time since grimms and wesens existance, how many hexenbiest had the chance to destroied by grimms and live to tell about it and take their powers back and return and sleep with the grimm and dont kill grimm after that and a hexenbiest help grimm to become a grimm agian? i think she just had the theory of what they should do but as all theory and action's diffrent , she didnt know what will happend.

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    • @Wolfwand. You're right.Where is the Story going?  I can only judge after seeing the trailer.  Hurt feelings can change everything. She had suffered so much because of Nick  and now that she needs his love, he turns away. How will the friends still see her.? As Juliette or as a "Monster"?  And by the way, who can teach her learning to controll her powers.? Sean is not a teacher, Henrietta can not be trusted, Elizabeth is gone. Undoubtedly, Juliette is a self-conscious and loving person, but if depression is tranformed into hatred, you don't ask anymore what is wrong or right. (Trubel was always alone. She did'nt know what love is. Love can be wonderful but also destructive). It might  split the group " Grimm".  Personally, I'm glad that Juliette is so powerful.

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    • 82.212.18.228 wrote:
      @Wolfwand. You're right.Where is the Story going?  I can only judge after seeing the trailer.  Hurt feelings can change everything. She had suffered so much because of Nick  and now that she needs his love, he turns away. How will the friends still see her.? As Juliette or as a "Monster"?  And by the way, who can teach her learning to controll her powers.? Sean is not a teacher, Henrietta can not be trusted, Elizabeth is gone. Undoubtedly, Juliette is a self-conscious and loving person, but if depression is tranformed into hatred, you don't ask anymore what is wrong or right. (Trubel was always alone. She did'nt know what love is. Love can be wonderful but also destructive). It might  split the group " Grimm".  Personally, I'm glad that Juliette is so powerful.

      if nick left her, trust me they should gather nicks pieces from the wall and ground( base upon what she did to mantikor!!!) but i dont think he left her. juliet is hexenbiest beacuse of him, he made this issue for her and nick is always responsible man. about their friends, i dont think they dont accept her. but sort of hard to explain it in english really.

      frist step of controlling is practice woge( juliet is controlling it  becuse she finally was able to show her woge easily to nick) and secound is : dont get mad easily and dont piss off. she just need learn this issue, more she dosent need,yet, untill a trustable hexenbiest find to teach her( very hard to find one)

      other things are not danger( a papre male to her head or braking glass are not really import in compare what she  might do in real angry).

      if nick stay with her, as you said beacuse her love to nick, she will be able to pass this issue but if not. a super man need to save portland.

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    • I don't think he will leaving her. Juliette needs Nicks and the gang and they need a own Hexenbiest.

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    • I am waiting for the next episode to find out how Nick and Juliette really react.  I have seen to many previews that intentionaly mislead the viewers to think something is going to happen and then going a different way.  The initial reaction that Nick had in the preview is understandable, however was that the extent of it?  I also want to see Juliette's reaction to seeing Nick's "eyes" (if they address it).  The first few scenes on the next episode are going to be interesting!

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    • LittleNaiad21 wrote:
      I don't think he will leaving her. Juliette needs Nicks and the gang and they need a own Hexenbiest.

      Nick and Juliette seperated during the memory spell. So it could happen again. The show is Nick and juliette are star crossed lovers. Two people destined to be together but the road will be very bumpy.  besides how do fairy tales end "happily ever after" David even said in aan interview that Nick and Juliette will be constantly looking ofr their happily ever after.

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    • Wolfwand wrote:

      82.212.18.228 wrote:
      @Wolfwand. You're right.Where is the Story going?  I can only judge after seeing the trailer.  Hurt feelings can change everything. She had suffered so much because of Nick  and now that she needs his love, he turns away. How will the friends still see her.? As Juliette or as a "Monster"?  And by the way, who can teach her learning to controll her powers.? Sean is not a teacher, Henrietta can not be trusted, Elizabeth is gone. Undoubtedly, Juliette is a self-conscious and loving person, but if depression is tranformed into hatred, you don't ask anymore what is wrong or right. (Trubel was always alone. She did'nt know what love is. Love can be wonderful but also destructive). It might  split the group " Grimm".  Personally, I'm glad that Juliette is so powerful.

      if nick left her, trust me they should gather nicks pieces from the wall and ground( base upon what she did to mantikor!!!) but i dont think he left her. juliet is hexenbiest beacuse of him, he made this issue for her and nick is always responsible man. about their friends, i dont think they dont accept her. but sort of hard to explain it in english really.

      frist step of controlling is practice woge( juliet is controlling it  becuse she finally was able to show her woge easily to nick) and secound is : dont get mad easily and dont piss off. she just need learn this issue, more she dosent need,yet, untill a trustable hexenbiest find to teach her( very hard to find one)

      other things are not danger( a papre male to her head or braking glass are not really import in compare what she  might do in real angry).

      if nick stay with her, as you said beacuse her love to nick, she will be able to pass this issue but if not. a super man need to save portland.

      I disagree with your assumption that it would be Nick who would have to be cleaned up after a fight. Do not forget that he is, by grimm standards, very powerful himself. He is an experienced killer, with around 23 Wesen kills. He fought 3 Gaelumcaedus(wesen so powerful that Nick thought the murder one committed was done by a Siegbarste) at once, killing two of them and subduing a third (yes, that last one had him pinned, but it took all the wesens strength to keep him there and even then it didn't look like something he couldn't escape from through lashing out with his unpinned limbs). He defeated 3 phansigar unarmed. He Knocked out the legendary Krampus stone cold. When he goes zombie, no foe he has encountered has been able to do anything other than get tossed about and beaten to a pulp. He dented a solid metal coffin from the inside (which is even more impressive than it sounds, given he would have had barely any arm room in such a small space) and survived a plane crash unscathed that either killed or crippled the other passengers. Time and again, Nick has proven he is more than capable in a fight.

      As for Juliette, she is powerful, but not invincible. Henrietta, even after finding out how powerful she was, warn her of the old witch burnings (the subtext being she could still be killed by someone like Nick). She has three victories as a Hexenbiest. She killed Jonah, a young Blutbad whose mistake was taking the time to taunt her rather than, you know, ripping her throat out. The manticore was supposedly powerful, but he seem a bit dim (if she is about to kill you with your own stinger, how about RETRACTING so that she can't hold it anymore). Finally there is Adalind, quite possibly the weakest Hexenbiest in existence (who fared just as poorly against Nick when he was at his weakest). Juliette relays on raw power to win, which is not always the most reliable stratagy. Bottom line, Nick is more than a match for Juliette in a fight (though I agree with you that it is not likly to come to that).

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    • if you let juliet 4 series be as a hexenbiest in nick's situation, belive me , you should count more deads.

      nick during  2 series  didnt struggle any wesen by his self only 2(rippers and hundjagers who hitted hank), a gun a badge and hank to help him, and he is a cop after all...!

      but when you think about juliet in 5 episode, kill 2 people and damage a lot,

      i am not going to say who will win in this fight(which hopfully never would happend) but you should consider it, she is not a normal hexenbiest and if any grimm had wrote about this kind of hexenbiest(made hexenbiests) juliet will find it in hexenbiest's book. so maybe they never see ones and juliet is first persone in this line, or they didnt live any more to write about it.

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    • Wolfwand wrote: if you let juliet 4 series be as a hexenbiest in nick's situation, belive me , you should count more deads.

      nick during  2 series  didnt struggle any wesen by his self only 2(rippers and hundjagers who hitted hank), a gun a badge and hank to help him, and he is a cop after all...!

      but when you think about juliet in 5 episode, kill 2 people and damage a lot,

      i am not going to say who will win in this fight(which hopfully never would happend) but you should consider it, she is not a normal hexenbiest and if any grimm had wrote about this kind of hexenbiest(made hexenbiests) juliet will find it in hexenbiest's book. so maybe they never see ones and juliet is first persone in this line, or they didnt live any more to write about it.

      You are mistaken on several counts.

      first, Nick Killed more than just the reapers and those hundjager during those two seasons. Not counting gun kills or kills where he had help, by the time samedi hit him with that toxin Nick had the blood of 8 wesen on his hands (the Hundjager and reapers you mentioned, a Nucklavee, a Daemonfeuer and a Geir) in hand to hand combat. It also bears mention that his kill count would be considerably higher if he killed every wesen he beat in close combat (it might even double). Hank was of no help in the first season, and was only marginally helpful in fights in the second season.

      Second, with regards to the bit about Juliette not finding made-Hexenbiest in the Grimm books, that does not signify much. She was, remember, interrupted by Nick and company before she could finish. Even if there is no mention of them, that also does not signify much. Grimms who encountered a made hexenbiest in combat would likely not recognized them as made (There probably would not have any means of finding that out, and likely would not care either way..) and would have likely simply recorded the incident as that time they killed a tougher than average Hexenbiest (and do not tell me that the grimms would not be able to kill the these super-hexenbiests; Grimms are very creative and talented killers. besides, Juliette bled after her fight with Adalind, and anything that can bleed can die).

      Finally, It is worth mentioning that you kind of missed the point with Juliette kills. it is not so much that she only beat 3 wesen so much as that the wesen she beat were unimpressive; a young and idiotic blutbad, a sub-par hexenbiest and a Manticore who had clearly lost his touch (he doesn't fight equal foes on equal footing like nick does, none of those he killed fought back). She has yet to fight a foe who was actually a threat to her or Nick, so it should not surprise that she has won each time.

      bottom line is, Nick is not remotely inferior in power to Juliette by any stretch. She is powerful, but so is he. He has proven his power time and again, while she has yet to come against a real challenge. both of their body counts will probably increase over time and Juliette limits will be revealed at some point. But, until then, my argument stands true.

      And before you point this out, the Manticore saying that it is easier to kill an emotional Grimm is not evidence that he actually did. He could be taunting her or, just as likely, logically coming to the conclusion that grimms, like most people, fight more poorly when emotional.

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    • I really wish Nick had told his mother about what happened to him after the Zombie-incident. We don't know if it's typical for the body of a Grimm to adapt special features after encountering Wesen like the Jinnamaru Xunte and the Cracher-Mortel the way Nick's did. Maybe he is now even permanently immune to Matanca Zumbidos electricity having this frogpoison mixed with his blood. And I'm wondering if a Musai could jinx him a second time or if he's immune to that one now...

      The Writers have proven to be very creative, with what can happen to Nick after one of those encounters, especially when they criss-crossed the sight/brains of Nick and Adalind. I'm sure they going to bring that one up in some way later on again. And since he was 'somehow mingled' with a Hexenbiest... maybe some of their abilities won't work on Nick anymore?

      So even if they happen to engage in such a fight (which I sincerely hope they won't), I guess Nick will be more than an even match.

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    • Juliette blow up a car engine without looking at it. Unless Nick had a gun he would lose. Any weapon that he got close enough to use. She would blow him up.  Lets just compare strength. Juliette generated enouigh force to throw a hundred some pound women straight up have her hit the ceiling with enough force to break the molding. Even as zombie he could not generate that  much force. 

      Or the fact she could just take Nicks gun out of his holster and shot him from across the room.

      The only way Juliette would not win is she can't  find it in her self to hurt Nick.

      Take the dream when Nick was suppose to swing the ax to cut her head off. She could have raised her hand and stopped the swing. Like she did with the manticore. 

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    • 174.92.14.239 wrote:

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      Second, with regards to the bit about Juliette not finding made-Hexenbiest in the Grimm books, that does not signify much. She was, remember, interrupted by Nick and company before she could finish. Even if there is no mention of them, that also does not signify much. Grimms who encountered a made hexenbiest in combat would likely not recognized them as made (There probably would not have any means of finding that out, and likely would not care either way..) and would have likely simply recorded the incident as that time they killed a tougher than average Hexenbiest (and do not tell me that the grimms would not be able to kill the these super-hexenbiests; Grimms are very creative and talented killers. besides, Juliette bled after her fight with Adalind, and anything that can bleed can die). ...

      Only 8 in the first season? ;-)

      I think you're right about the books. How would a Grimm know about the possibility to create a Hexenbiest in the first place? Grimm are just about the kill, nothing more - nothing less. If Nick hadn't had Rosalee and her Wesenbooks (besides his personal 'Grimm-o-pedia' in Monroe), he wouldn't have solved a lot of his cases.

      So if Juliette wants an answer she's not going to find it in Nick's books, but in Rosalee's.

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    • Bheadr27 wrote:

      174.92.14.239 wrote:

      ...

      Second, with regards to the bit about Juliette not finding made-Hexenbiest in the Grimm books, that does not signify much. She was, remember, interrupted by Nick and company before she could finish. Even if there is no mention of them, that also does not signify much. Grimms who encountered a made hexenbiest in combat would likely not recognized them as made (There probably would not have any means of finding that out, and likely would not care either way..) and would have likely simply recorded the incident as that time they killed a tougher than average Hexenbiest (and do not tell me that the grimms would not be able to kill the these super-hexenbiests; Grimms are very creative and talented killers. besides, Juliette bled after her fight with Adalind, and anything that can bleed can die). ...

      Only 8 in the first season? ;-)

      I think you're right about the books. How would a Grimm know about the possibility to create a Hexenbiest in the first place? Grimm are just about the kill, nothing more - nothing less. If Nick hadn't had Rosalee and her Wesenbooks (besides his personal 'Grimm-o-pedia' in Monroe), he wouldn't have solved a lot of his cases.

      So if Juliette wants an answer she's not going to find it in Nick's books, but in Rosalee's.

      but grimms mentioned about streng hapeends or wesens in their book, i was not going to say she should find her cure or reasons in nick's book, i ment she found nothing about her condition, which even grimms face to it or hear it. her condition is so rare and i dont think in all world in all the time , so many hexenbiest had her condition( i explained it before) .

      i think she will ask help roaslie but i dont think she can help more than herrentina.

      @syscrach

      i agree with you, she never hurt nick, if i told before about nick-exploding by juliet , i was kidding. she loves nick and a big reasone she didnt tell nick was fear of losing her love.

      i think even (it is very very far then nick)  nick attacks her, she wont hurt him.

      @ grimmster

      dude it was very long text and english is not my languge so maybe i coudnt track you 'r mean of text but i am sure juliet can explode him in long meter but nick can not do it. never forget a Rocket from distance is more dangrous than a sword, even if Rocket sender is a 5 years old child and swore man is who is won 10 time in ninjetsu training.

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    • Syscrash53 wrote:
      Juliette blow up a car engine without looking at it. Unless Nick had a gun he would lose. Any weapon that he got close enough to use. She would blow him up.  Lets just compare strength. Juliette generated enouigh force to throw a hundred some pound women straight up have her hit the ceiling with enough force to break the molding. Even as zombie he could not generate that  much force. 

      Or the fact she could just take Nicks gun out of his holster and shot him from across the room.

      The only way Juliette would not win is she can't  find it in her self to hurt Nick.

      Take the dream when Nick was suppose to swing the ax to cut her head off. She could have raised her hand and stopped the swing. Like she did with the manticore. 

      It would not actually be that hard to blow up a car engine. All juliette would have had to do was ignite the fuel in a place where it was not supposed to ignite (like the bit that connects the the fuel tank to the actual engine). most of the damage would have been caused by the detonation rather than juliettes own powers (it is not as if she ripped the car apart with her mind).  also it is worth noting that the engine did not "explode" so much as experiance a flame out that damaged the engine and blew off the hood.

      the bit about breaking moulding with adalind is invalid. Do you know how easy it is to break moulding? I have broken it accidently; it catches on a piece of my clothing and as I walk away it snaps and detaches from the wall. There is even a scene in the Grimm season 3 gag reel where one of the actors knocks some of the moulding of of a door frame. that it broke when adalind hit it is not significant; it probably would have been harder to hit it and NOT break it.

      And Nick in zombie mode is powerful. He was able to dent a solid metal coffin from the inside. There is no armroom in a coffin, so it is not like he could get a good windup beforehand. that means, with just a few inches of swinging space (factoring in the length of Nicks fist and forearm), he was able to bust his way out. also do not for get that he was completly unhurt by a plane crash that no one else walked away from (He was in the cockpit when this happened, the most dangerous part of the plane to be in during a crash). this Proves his physical power exceeds anything Juliette has demonstrated so far.

      as for her telekinisis, it has two limitations that are relevent here; it requires intence concentration (so she will not be ducking and weaving. remember that she was completly still when adalind hit the roof and came down when juliette rolled away.) and it can be countered with physical force (the verrat that adalind killed with his own gun was able to slow the gun down, so it stands to reason that a sufficently strong person could prevent their weapon being turned against them). Nick is also extremely quick, able to catch thrown objects without looking at them. with that kind of reflex, he could easily catch his gun and keep it pointed at her long enough to take the shot.

      As for her blowing up his head, that takes time and concentration. even if it did effect him (and their is reason to believe that it might not, given that no Hexenbiest has sucessfully used magic against a grimm in combat [zaubertranks don't count]) I could still see him fighting through the pain and snapping her neck before he went pop. Remember, she only got away with it with jonah because he did not take the opportunity to rip her throat out when he could, and let the pain distract him. If he had fought through it and killed her before she could finish, he would have lived and she wouldn't have.

      long story short, do not be so dismissive. there is much you fail to consider.

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    • Bheadr27 wrote:

      174.92.14.239 wrote:

      ...

      Second, with regards to the bit about Juliette not finding made-Hexenbiest in the Grimm books, that does not signify much. She was, remember, interrupted by Nick and company before she could finish. Even if there is no mention of them, that also does not signify much. Grimms who encountered a made hexenbiest in combat would likely not recognized them as made (There probably would not have any means of finding that out, and likely would not care either way..) and would have likely simply recorded the incident as that time they killed a tougher than average Hexenbiest (and do not tell me that the grimms would not be able to kill the these super-hexenbiests; Grimms are very creative and talented killers. besides, Juliette bled after her fight with Adalind, and anything that can bleed can die). ...

      Only 8 in the first season? ;-)

      I think you're right about the books. How would a Grimm know about the possibility to create a Hexenbiest in the first place? Grimm are just about the kill, nothing more - nothing less. If Nick hadn't had Rosalee and her Wesenbooks (besides his personal 'Grimm-o-pedia' in Monroe), he wouldn't have solved a lot of his cases.

      So if Juliette wants an answer she's not going to find it in Nick's books, but in Rosalee's.

      I was only counting those he killed without using his gun. and it was the first 2 seasons, in response to wolf using the same time frame.

      key thing to remember is that he has defeated more wesen than he has killed.

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    • I want to know if Nick finds out that Juliet is a hexenbiest

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    • Since Juliette is a Wesen now...does that mean she now has to answer to the Wesen Council?

      You know, that same Wesen Council that put out a Bounty on Nick.

      We don't know if Nick ever told Juliette about that, they didn't show him telling her.

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    • Lurkenfrau wrote:
      Since Juliette is a Wesen now...does that mean she now has to answer to the Wesen Council?

      You know, that same Wesen Council that put out a Bounty on Nick. We don't know if Nick ever told Juliette about that, they didn't show him telling her.

      why she need to care? if they try to kill nick, nick is in trouble and if they try to kill Juliet, they are in trouble.

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    • Wolfwand wrote:

      Lurkenfrau wrote:
      Since Juliette is a Wesen now...does that mean she now has to answer to the Wesen Council?

      You know, that same Wesen Council that put out a Bounty on Nick. We don't know if Nick ever told Juliette about that, they didn't show him telling her.

      why she need to care? if they try to kill nick, nick is in trouble and if they try to kill Juliet, they are in trouble.

      Why should she care? I don't know...Juliette is powerful now, but the Wesen Council has been around for centuries, so maybe they have ways of dealing with very powerful Wesen.

      If they thought that she was in 'violation' of one of their laws, they could keep sending out assassins after her...which would be annoying, if nothing else. If they send someone who is as powerful as she is, then it could be dangerous.

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    • Lurkenfrau wrote:

      Wolfwand wrote:

      Lurkenfrau wrote:
      Since Juliette is a Wesen now...does that mean she now has to answer to the Wesen Council?

      You know, that same Wesen Council that put out a Bounty on Nick. We don't know if Nick ever told Juliette about that, they didn't show him telling her.

      why she need to care? if they try to kill nick, nick is in trouble and if they try to kill Juliet, they are in trouble.
      Why should she care?

      I don't know...Juliette is powerful now, but the Wesen Council has been around for centuries, so maybe they have ways of dealing with very powerful Wesen. If they thought that she was in 'violation' of one of their laws, they could keep sending out assassins after her...which would be annoying, if nothing else. If they send someone who is as powerful as she is, then it could be dangerous.

      i hope they dont. they think nick killed manticore. and before she do anything wrong, they wont try to hurt her

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    • Have we considered that Juliette is not transformed into a hexenbiest but is possed by a hexenbiest.  I keep thinking about the hat. I also keep think Juliette has been able to use her powers from the very beginning. Lets start with Tribunal to blow the guys head off. This is something she did without any practice or even knowledge of being able to do it.  Then you have Adalind she has asked Sean how did Juliette get so good then she asked henrietta how Juliette got so good. You would only say that if using hexenbiest powers is learned and not instinct. Juliette is running on instinct. I am wondering if some power was trapped in the hat and is now released inside of Juliette. 

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    • @Syscrash53           Maybe possed is maybe not the right word. You think about a kind inviolable "doppelgänger" ? Then she could double. Be at two places at once. I have only seen that by Diana.  But the Hat could be the key. I would agree with you that an very old and powerful ancient forces has chosen to form a symbioses with her.

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    • Another thing that makes me wonder. When Juliette put the wedding ring on her hand changed. It was not a voluntary change.  Was it her subconsious?  Her subconsious telling her being a hexenbiest is still in the way of her saying yes. Or was it what is happing to her telling her marriage is not  her destiny. 

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    • The mythology says silver is light, God is light, light destroys darkness. So witches are not able to wear silver without being recognized or put themselves in danger.

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    • I see the ring as more an analogy of her being a hexenbiest  effect on the state of Her and Nicks relationship. 

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    • Syscrash53 wrote:
      I see the ring as more an analogy of her being a hexenbiest  effect on the state of Her and Nicks relationship. 

      That's is an interesting point of view. Did I understood you correctly ? The more she moves away from Nick, the more the effect will spread out ?

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    • That is what I am thinking.   Keep the ring scene in mind. Some where donw the road when N and J resolve their issue. Juliette will try the ring again and it will shine. 

      The ring is acting like a mood ring.  

      Before the end around episode 18 or 19 when they are at there lowest. She tries it on and most of her body changes. She takes it off really quick throws in in the draw as if to never touch it again. During these  episodes Nick and Juliette are working together out of necessity seems like that may be the point where they realize they should be together.  But no luck this interaction only leads to Nick realizing it is to painful to be around Juliette so he announces he is leaving.  At the end of the season, one of the last scenes as Juilette is throwing away Nicks things that are in the draw. This is in responseto Juliette that Nick will never be returning.  Juliette runs across the ring and starts remebering when they where happy. But having given up hope she is about to throw it away with the other stuff.  Have her try it on.  When she she sees only her finger change. See puts it back in the box, back in the drawer.  picks up the box of the other stuff and walks out of the room.  The scene end with the box and drawer open, camera pans in, the ring sparkles and fades to black. 

      Leving us all spculating how will they ever resolve their issues. Especially if they take this so dark we can not even imaging them getting back to gether. 

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    • (P) Macabros77 wrote:
      The mythology says silver is light, God is light, light destroys darkness. So witches are not able to wear silver without being recognized or put themselves in danger.


      i thought wedding rings are in Gold...?! sorry beside the point.

      but i think she came amotional, you know spoons and forks have a little silver too...

      maybe i am talking so scentistic but...

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    • i remeber in old stories, love was able to change everything. it is only thing that grimm writers didnt use that yet.

      maybe if they kiss each other in love, everything change...if it is no known way to trun everythiong back, maybe beacuse anyone try this way( a Grimm kiss a Full woge Hexenbiest in love)

      stupid but...?

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    • @Wolfwand          Depends who you kiss. Kissing Medusa who not come good. XXD        But long times ago, silver was very precious and rar. Till 1450 was the relation gold to silver 1: 7. After 1750 the value  of silver fell and began to arrive a relation of 1:16. Today it's ca 1:54 (ounce). Silver was the gold of the folk.

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    • who is Medusa?

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    • Syscrash53 wrote:
      Another thing that makes me wonder. When Juliette put the wedding ring on her hand changed. It was not a voluntary change.  Was it her subconsious?  Her subconsious telling her being a hexenbiest is still in the way of her saying yes. Or was it what is happing to her telling her marriage is not  her destiny. 

      Do you mean the ring tells her, who is the right man she should be together or marry ? So the ring is shining bright?   So we have her destiny to be a Hexenbiest and a ring which determinates her fate. A lot for me.

      @Wolfwand  Go to your messagewall

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    • I am not saying the ring is actually doing anything. Remember it is just a ring. I am saying the reaction is more psychosomatic. The reaction is controlled as a result that hexenbiest power is tied to their emotions.  Notice each time Juliette uses her power it is the result of an emotional reaction. Even Henrietta had to tell Juliette to relax you can't force it. Because your emotions are governed by your true feelings and not by what you tell your self. Your emotions reflect the truth.  

      When she first put the ring on. She was telling herself it could work. there was a time we where happy. She was trying to convience herself. The truth was you are a hexenbiest and that is a problem. The reaction was her emotions reminding her of these facts.

      In my speculations each phase is tied to how  she truly feels what her options are.  

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    • Wolfwand wrote:
      i remeber in old stories, love was able to change everything. it is only thing that grimm writers didnt use that yet.

      maybe if they kiss each other in love, everything change...if it is no known way to trun everythiong back, maybe beacuse anyone try this way( a Grimm kiss a Full woge Hexenbiest in love)

      stupid but...?

      Somthing like " Ghostrider", the scene after defeating the Devils son ?

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    • (P) Macabros77 wrote:
      Wolfwand wrote:
      i remeber in old stories, love was able to change everything. it is only thing that grimm writers didnt use that yet.

      maybe if they kiss each other in love, everything change...if it is no known way to trun everythiong back, maybe beacuse anyone try this way( a Grimm kiss a Full woge Hexenbiest in love)

      stupid but...?

      Somthing like " Ghostrider", the scene after defeating the Devils son ?

      i didnt see that movie, i just read a little summry about it in a magzine in waiting room of our dentist.

      but i think if they love each other, as beuty and biest( differs now biest is fimale) maybe somthing change...

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    • 'you could be a simple beso.como beauty and the beast, when finally she tells him that she loves him. but then would be better than cutting his relationship with her as I advise it to be his aunt Marie. Juliette's follow up to the 5, but could be a kiss given by love so simple .algo, ja

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    • 190.137.26.70 wrote:
      'you could be a simple beso.como beauty and the beast, when finally she tells him that she loves him.but then would be better than cutting his relationship with her as I advise it to be his aunt Marie.

      Juliette's follow up to the 5, but could be a kiss given by love so simple .algo, ja


      As Kelly said to Nick. Don't let the ones who you love, behind you. She regretted her way of life.

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    • (P) Macabros77 wrote:
      190.137.26.70 wrote:
      'you could be a simple beso.como beauty and the beast, when finally she tells him that she loves him.but then would be better than cutting his relationship with her as I advise it to be his aunt Marie.

      Juliette's follow up to the 5, but could be a kiss given by love so simple .algo, ja


      As Kelly said to Nick. Don't let the ones who you love, behind you. She regretted her way of life.

      Well said ^^

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    • juliet needs nick now, more than ever, if she is leaving him ,it is not beacuse not love him or hate him or what so ever

      she is scared, her life is changing extremly and fast. she fears and in in darkness and doesnt know .

      she said nick: "i didnt want to hurt you" and "you know how much i love you"

      i doesnt mean she dont like him. she is in bas situation:"i was afrid you're going to kill me" shows what she thinks.

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    • Sure she's scared, but why is she afraid he's gonna kill her in the first place? He'd never beheaded anyone so far...

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    • Bheadr27 wrote:
      Sure she's scared, but why is she afraid he's gonna kill her in the first place? He'd never beheaded anyone so far...

      when everything is in dark, people afraid of everthing. she never thought nick as a Grimm. remeber at that Episode which trubel left, she was explaing Josh what a grimm is: " there are many bad wesen out there and he should stop them"

      but she thinks now to nick not as a boy friend , she thinks : " i am a Hexenbiest now, and i killed two people, i can not control my powers and Grimms hate hexenbiests"

      she is in darkness. if she was a normal wesen other tells her what should she do, even if she had no one, she never see a grimm at that age.

      but she is a wesen in the middle of a grimm Family, hexenbiests-evil dones and friends who scare of hexenbiests.

      so her fear is understandable i think

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    • Bheadr27 wrote:
      Sure she's scared, but why is she afraid he's gonna kill her in the first place? He'd never beheaded anyone so far...


      Because she is not in line with her force. She is not able to imagine how powerful she is. I believe she is so powerful, that even if she slept, the power would protect her.

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    • Actually  Juliette does have reason to worry about Nick. As a powerful hexenbiest that no longer takes orders from anyone. If Juliette became a danger, Nick would be the only one that could possibly stop her. And this is what she worries about. She does not know what she will become. She still does not know how much control she will have. All she knows is her emotions allow her to do things she would never do on a conscious level. Like Henrietta said "You are like a five year old with a gun". As angery as Juliette is now. out of frustration she could do something to Nick just like she exploded that guys car. 

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    • that is why she scared of nick. she is power full, i know it, she knows that too and everybody else, but if nick attack her, would she kill nick? it is her heart decide not her instinct.

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    • You're all forgettig, she had those nightmares before she really did something biestlike, beside shatterinng glass...

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    • Wolfwand wrote:
      that is why she scared of nick. she is power full, i know it, she knows that too and everybody else, but if nick attack her, would she kill nick? it is her heart decide not her instinct.

      I agree with you and Bheadr27. But if she is so powerful, can she decide not to act in selfdefense ? Remember the scene with the Manticore. She didn't knew what to do. The force has overtaken the command. The less she's in fear, the less the power will overtaken. That's why she must be in line.

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    • if she go on her instincts, she is dangrous but  i think when you love someone dont use you instinct( atleast in women) juliet loves nick. she cant kill him. instinct are realted to feel, and love is strong feel too for women. she cant hurt nick.

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    • But Juliette is angry very angry with Nick. So far Nick has not pushed the issue. And so far Juliette has choosen to walk away rather then confront Nick. I am not so sure, if Nick get force full, or demands that Juliette talk to him that it would go well. Lucky for Nick, Juliette got to release some of that aggression on Adalind. 

      I see Juliette reluctance to talk to Nick, as her attempt to not go off on him and do something she will regreat. We have seen Juliette has a really short fuse.  I admire her for trying to get it under control before she goes off on someone.

      Juliette could have gotten a hotel room. But like she said she needs to be around someone the understands her.  Sitting in a hotel room by herself the rage would start to build until someone said the wrong thing and.....  lets just say it would not be pretty.  

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    • I think Juliette is feeling...scorned.

      She kept saying "It's not the same", she was referring to the way that Nick looked at her.

      And she was right.

      It is a testament to David Giuntoli's acting abilities that he really was 'looking at her differently'. So the writers and the director were obviously directing him to 'look at her differently'.

      There is an old saying..."Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned".

      Nick could have avoided this if he had taken her into his arms and said something like: "Oh honey. Of course this is scary for you, but I still love you. You're still you. You're still the Juliette that I love."

      But no. He didn't do that. The writers aren't letting him do that.

      It would have been 'in character' for Nick to do that. But for some reason the writers are making this as painful as possible. Painful for the characters. Painful for us to watch.

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    • "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned".

      That is the exact phrase I was looking for. And to have an ex that can whip up who knows what kind of potions. We have seen what Adalind can whip up. Now Juliette has Adalind's mothers book.  Nick thinks his big worry was that Juliette could influence him. What when she starts using potions on him.  Give him something so he loses his her. or grows warts. or some other disfiguring ailment. 

      You guys that think having your ex scratch your car or bleach your cloths is bad. Just think what Juliette can do to you. 

      I wonder if in Mishipeshu when they say "Juliette's (Bitsie Tulloch) erratic behavior lands her on the wrong side of the law" that is what they are refering to. Juliette pulls the evil ex routine on Nick. The great and powerful Grimm with a restraining order. That going to really help his reputation. 

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    • i agree with LurkenFrau.

      i think both need time. but yes writers are making everything complicated

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    • Syscrash53 wrote: "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned".

      That is the exact phrase I was looking for. And to have an ex that can whip up who knows what kind of potions. We have seen what Adalind can whip up. Now Juliette has Adalind's mothers book.  Nick thinks his big worry was that Juliette could influence him. What when she starts using potions on him.  Give him something so he loses his her. or grows warts. or some other disfiguring ailment. 


      Oh let's hope not! I would like to see them get back together and be a powerful team.

      I'm not liking this drama at all. I would rather see them fighting bad guys...not fighting each other.

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    • Wolfwand wrote: i agree with LurkenFrau.

      i think both need time. but yes writers are making everything complicated


      Thanks, Wolfwand. I hope the writers don't drag this out for too much longer.

      I do not like seeing Nick and Juliette breaking apart.

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    • me too , my dear friend

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    • Lurkenfrau wrote:

      Wolfwand wrote: i agree with LurkenFrau.

      i think both need time. but yes writers are making everything complicated

      Thanks, Wolfwand. I hope the writers don't drag this out for too much longer. I do not like seeing Nick and Juliette breaking apart.


      Are you both sure.?  Maybe the writers see it in a realistic way. There is nothing worse than a strong and independant woman. She is sucessful, beautiful and has powers. A nightmare for every man. And don't tell me I'm wrong. Our company accept strong men, but women?? They talk about equality between women and men. But reality is different. A man protects a woman. That's normal. A woman protects a man. They would all laugh and ask, what of a kind guy are you.? That's not my opinion, but the one of the majority.

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    • i think Juliet need help to face to face her Hexenbiest-hood, as nick need to friends to explain him about wesen and Grimms , as Trubel need it and as all people need it.

      i told you before she is in darkness, need help to come out to the light.she is strong woman, sure, but now she is confused.

      a big new extreme life... all people need help, exapt they go and live on a waterfall of jungle for thinking and training.

      but juliet has friends and love, she is not able to do it. so around people should help her. as did for nick and trubel.

      if they dont, we call see another Trubel, as a hexenbiest.

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    • (P) Macabros77 wrote:
      Are you both sure.?  Maybe the writers see it in a realistic way. There is nothing worse than a strong and independant woman. She is sucessful, beautiful and has powers. A nightmare for every man. And don't tell me I'm wrong. Our company accept strong men, but women?? They talk about equality between women and men. But reality is different. A man protects a woman. That's normal. A woman protects a man. They would all laugh and ask, what of a kind guy are you.? That's not my opinion, but the one of the majority.

      The position you describe is the character Nick and Juliette are protrayed to be. Each time Juliette protected herself. Nick seemed to responed as if his not protecting her was an assult on his man hood. His entire conversation was that of a protector. The result of the manticoe attack should have been a time of celebration . 

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    • Wolfwand wrote:
      i think Juliet need help to face to face her Hexenbiest-hood, as nick need to friends to explain him about wesen and Grimms , as Trubel need it and as all people need it.

      i told you before she is in darkness, need help to come out to the light.she is strong woman, sure, but now she is confused.

      a big new extreme life... all people need help, exapt they go and live on a waterfall of jungle for thinking and training.

      but juliet has friends and love, she is not able to do it. so around people should help her. as did for nick and trubel.

      if they dont, we call see another Trubel, as a hexenbiest.

      Now we can see Trubel-hexenbiest

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    • It looks like we are going to see a new Juliette. There will nothing about this Juliette that will say door mat. This Juliette is  scary. You really get the feeling that no one is safe. Especially after Juliette makes it known she blames everyone she sees as part of this wesen world that did this to her. I did like Sean's look when Juliette threatened him. She sounded just like Adalind and that is the look Sean had. 

      I hope Juliette is smarter then Adalind. I would want to see her like Elizabeath 

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    • yes, it is awfull!

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    • I hope Juliette is smarter then Adalind. I would want to see her like Elizabeath 

      me too, i dont want anyone have too kill her , or she kill anyone

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    • At first I thought that Juliette as a hexenbiest was a great way to finally make her character interesting and likable. Unfortunately, they decided to continue her streak of irrationality and have her throw a giant pity party. So now I'm hoping they'll just set her up as the villain and have Nick kill her.

      Would love to see them get rid of Juliette from the cast, and bring back Trubel!

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    • 72.239.178.188 wrote:
      At first I thought that Juliette as a hexenbiest was a great way to finally make her character interesting and likable. Unfortunately, they decided to continue her streak of irrationality and have her throw a giant pity party. So now I'm hoping they'll just set her up as the villain and have Nick kill her.

      Would love to see them get rid of Juliette from the cast, and bring back Trubel!


      i like Trubel so much, but i dont think good idea to kill juliet beacuse of her.

      Grimm need them both

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    • Anyone who is fixated on the old Jujliette will hate the new one. If you wanted Nick and Juliette to be like Rosalee and Monroe then you will hate the new Juliette. But if you like that Juliette will be calling her own shots.  That she will be the ultimate mean girl then keep watching. I hope they don't make her short sighted when plaining something like Adalind does. Give Julettie the cunning of Kelly, or Elizabeth, or Henrietta. Just don't make her like the Shades. 

      I see Nick getting frustrated because he can not control Juliette. That she does things she knows will upset Nick. It is her way to push him away, because she is still in love with him. 

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    • I like Juliette in hexenbiest! I hope Sean Renard and her have some attraction.

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    • 0_o

      what about poor nick?

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    • @ Wolfwand Juliette is my favourite. Now I want to see action and paybacks, XXD. Nick will survive it.








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    • Wolfwand wrote:
      0_o

      what about poor nick?

      At last, a comment in Nicks favor... sort of ;-))

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    • Bheadr27 wrote:
      Wolfwand wrote:
      0_o

      what about poor nick?

      At last, a comment in Nicks favor... sort of ;-))

      i think about nick, bheader, but he should react diffrent to juliet.. but maybe i say it beacuse i am not  in his place. but it is not fair with Juliet.

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    • Wolfwand wrote:
      Bheadr27 wrote:
      Wolfwand wrote:
      0_o

      what about poor nick?

      At last, a comment in Nicks favor... sort of ;-))
      i think about nick, bheader, but he should react diffrent to juliet.. but maybe i say it beacuse i am not  in his place. but it is not fair with Juliet.

      no such thing is fair... and she's herself definitely not fair to Nick.

      It annoys me to no end, that she keeps thinking Nick will kill her, just because she's now a hexebiest, when she of all people should know him better than that... Yes, she's freaked out, because of all that's happening. That okay, really, but she blames everyone around her without thinking it through. And that's not the Juliette we know. It's been her own decision to do what they have done and Nick acknowledged his share of guilt and he is feeling remourse to no end. If he could undo what's happened to Juliette he would do it. But she gives him neither a chance nor is she willing to trust his love.  She's a scared little creature that bites in the hand of the few people, who really care for her and want to help... is that fair?

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    • The "you are going to kill me" was her state of mind at the begining. Purly based on instinct. Remeber henrietta also pointed this out about Grimms and Hexnebiest.  You also have to remember she  had the dream of hurting Rosalee.  Until she actually killed the guy in tribunal it was only a dream. After Tribunal she realized should could actually kill if threatened.  You have Juliette running on instinct doing things out of her nature. Why would she not think this would also be the case with Nick. If nothing else she would reason Nick could upset her and she could react. That is how she killed Rosalee in the dream. It was an involuntary reaction to an emotional state. The same as she experienced on Tribunal and when she blow up the car.

      At  the point where she did show Nick she had learned enough control to realize she would not kill by accident. That is why she said "would kill her" instead of "will kill her". past tense because that was no longer her concern.

      Her new concern was would Nick accept her. That point she got it right. What hurts her the most, she would never think Nick would have as adverse reaction as he did. She expected shock but total rejection, that was more then she could take. 

      The thing that prevented any further discussion was when she woged and Nick walked out. His excuse was he needed some air. Not only would Juliette never have walked out. Juliette has never walked out on Nick and his problems. When Nick was a zombie in the barn. Did Juliette take one look and then walk out. It may not have been hexenbiest ugly, but zombie Nick is not a pretty sight. No she appoached him to give him the shot to cure him at great personal risk. Not once did she look at Nick other then it being Nick. See never once saw him as a zombie.  Even afterwards when he was sleep and turned grey. She did not jump up worring that he might be becoming a zombie again. She went right to his rescue. She did not have to think about it. She did not have to go take a walk to clear her head. 

      Well it was a shock, Nick needed time to get use to it.  Ok Juliette woges in the mirror. That is way more of a shock then seeing someone else woge. But Juliette instantly pulled herself together because her frined was in trouble and came to Rosalee's aid. Even with Juliette suffering her life changing change. She did not burden Rosalee who already was dealing with the idea that  Monroe might be dead on her mind.  So to say Nick needs time. I say Nick be more like Juliette and grow a pair. 

      The point where Juliette finally relized it is over, the dead manticore. For Nick to show no more concern then to say I am sorry. Showed her his lack of concern or a major case of denial. The kind of denial that would indicate Nick was not ready to be forcded to face the truth.  Nick is a detective. Nick knows what a manticore is. This thing is dead on his floor, not with a gun shot. But with the same hole in his chest as in the other victims he has investigated. The is no rational or irrational explaination other than supernatural, and there are only two people in the room and one is dead.  

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    • Syscrash53 wrote:
      The "you are going to kill me" was her state of mind at the begining. Purly based on instinct. Remeber henrietta also pointed this out about Grimms and Hexnebiest.  You also have to remember she  had the dream of hurting Rosalee.  Until she actually killed the guy in tribunal it was only a dream. After Tribunal she realized should could actually kill if threatened.  You have Juliette running on instinct doing things out of her nature. Why would she not think this would also be the case with Nick. If nothing else she would reason Nick could upset her and she could react. That is how she killed Rosalee in the dream. It was an involuntary reaction to an emotional state. The same as she experienced on Tribunal and when she blow up the car.

      At  the point where she did show Nick she had learned enough control to realize she would not kill by accident. That is why she said "would kill her" instead of "will kill her". past tense because that was no longer her concern.

      Her new concern was would Nick accept her. That point she got it right. What hurts her the most, she would never think Nick would have as adverse reaction as he did. She expected shock but total rejection, that was more then she could take. 

      The thing that prevented any further discussion was when she woged and Nick walked out. His excuse was he needed some air. Not only would Juliette never have walked out. Juliette has never walked out on Nick and his problems. When Nick was a zombie in the barn. Did Juliette take one look and then walk out. It may not have been hexenbiest ugly, but zombie Nick is not a pretty sight. No she appoached him to give him the shot to cure him at great personal risk. Not once did she look at Nick other then it being Nick. See never once saw him as a zombie.  Even afterwards when he was sleep and turned grey. She did not jump up worring that he might be becoming a zombie again. She went right to his rescue. She did not have to think about it. She did not have to go take a walk to clear her head. 

      Well it was a shock, Nick needed time to get use to it.  Ok Juliette woges in the mirror. That is way more of a shock then seeing someone else woge. But Juliette instantly pulled herself together because her frined was in trouble and came to Rosalee's aid. Even with Juliette suffering her life changing change. She did not burden Rosalee who already was dealing with the idea that  Monroe might be dead on her mind.  So to say Nick needs time. I say Nick be more like Juliette and grow a pair. 

      The point where Juliette finally relized it is over, the dead manticore. For Nick to show no more concern then to say I am sorry. Showed her his lack of concern or a major case of denial. The kind of denial that would indicate Nick was not ready to be forcded to face the truth.  Nick is a detective. Nick knows what a manticore is. This thing is dead on his floor, not with a gun shot. But with the same hole in his chest as in the other victims he has investigated. The is no rational or irrational explaination other than supernatural, and there are only two people in the room and one is dead.  

      Bist Emtiaz syscrash !!!

      full full full agree.

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