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  • Maybe Nick's mother had her in hiding and never told Aunt Marie. What do you think...

    I for one have always noticed that except for eye color, Nick and Trubel can be brother and (half?)sister. Is it possible that Kelly Burkhardt hid Trubel years ago and did not even tell her sister Marie? No one knows Theresa Rubel's origins...but she and Nick became close quickly. I think the possibility that she is family can account for their affection for each other.

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    • all grimms are related by blood in some way, them bonding so quickly and well is just because they are both grimms. I dont think the writers would do something so predictable, or i would hope not. Her being a cousin is more favorable to me. 

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    • Also Trubels parents died. I know that Nick thought Kelly dided, but Trubel was there for her parent"s death.

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    • Could have been the child that Nick's mother talked to Adeline about giving up was not Nick, but Theresa, and the parents who died were her adoptive parents. But we won't know for sure for a while.

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    • i would think Trubel was Marie's child that she had with Farley. Would really explain why it was keep a secret. (A Grimm and a Steinadler that would surly be keep a secret). Nick was 11 when he went to stay with Marie. Truble is about 11 years younger then Nick. Time line close but could work for Truble to be Marie's daughter. Who Truble saw get killed could have been step parents.  Reason neither reported to be a Grimm. Plus Grimm pass down their legacy. Where are her parents book and weapons. If Truble is Marie's and Farley's child what better way to hide her other then put her with normal parents. Trubel comes to Portland, maybe instinct was drawing her there. The writters have yet to give her a back story. But then again Juliette does not have a back story or a family history.  

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    • Could be a full sister, Kelly could have been pregnant when she left. Doubt she would be Aunt Marie's, because if she was going to raise Nick, might as well have raised her too. And she didn't see her parents murdered, just her foster parents.

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    • Marie could not have raised Trubel if she was  Marie and Farley's child. If Trubel was Kelly's kid why would she put Nick with Marie but not Trubel

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    • I dunno, if they were gonna make her a close relative, I think they would have done it already. It's still possible she'll turn out to be a realative, but I don't see how it will be a big deal, their parents aren't really in the picture and neither of them have romantic feelings for the other. I think people may just be reading into it because they both have black hair and some similar features. 

      Not saying it's impossible, I just don't see any reason for them to announce that she's Nick's long lost cousin. It doesn't really change anything for the plot if you think about it.

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    • Maybe she's the daughter of Nick's uncle. Marie and his mom's brother.

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    • I am thinking she has some relation to Josh. And it is this relation which will explain why Josh is not a Grimm and why she happened to be the one meet the Porter's. We know nothing about the Porter's especialy the mother.  Rolek is a Grimm this would have caused problem in the marriage. The mom could of had Josh, who Rolek started telling about being a Grimm. When the mom got pregent again with Trubel she took off. That is why Rolek did not recognize her they never meet, he might not even known his wife was pregnant again. Being borther and sister would explain why she seems to have this connection with Josh. This would also setup for a spinoff of a brother and sister team fighting wesen as modern day Hansel and Gretel.  They left of with Josh holding the machete saying he does not know how to use it. Of all the things he could have choosen for defense he chooses the machete Trubel's favorite wepon. In the spinoff she trains him on it's use and they both become a machete wielding wesen fighting duo.  

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    • Trubel is an awesome character, which brings new life and expands on the show's plot.

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    • Well according to a recent article, she's going to be coming back around the end of this season, along with Kelly. And we're apparently going to get some closure on there close appearance.

      Also for reference David Giuntoli's also all for them making her his sister.

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    • ow! i dont know how you guys arrive to this point....

      i dont think Trubel is Nick's sister, and if she was from kelly, why kelly didnt send her for her sister?! just leave her baby on street in a box? or give her to foster home?you know there is not clearly how grimm-hood transfer to Grimms children, maybe they wont become grimm.

      i dont think from marie either, if she had Trubel, before adapting nick, Fairly colt would know it , if they had child, and marie didnt want to take her, so Farly colt could took her. and if she had Trubel after nick, clearly she couldnt be pragnent and get birth and no one understand.

      but maybe she is related to nick but not as sister.

      and other point is, why they 3 are comming together? i think beacuse kelly will know who were Trubel's parent.

      but i am curiois about Trubel parents too.

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    • Assuming  Trubel is nick's full sister, Kelly could not have sent Trubel to Marie to raise.  Remember Kelly was supposed to have died in the crash.  Trubel turning up at Marie's would have proven Kelly survived the crash. 

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    • 71.86.86.236 wrote: Assuming  Trubel is nick's full sister, Kelly could not have sent Trubel to Marie to raise.  Remember Kelly was supposed to have died in the crash.  Trubel turning up at Marie's would have proven Kelly survived the crash. 


      Yes, exactly.

      Aunt Marie told Nick that he was "one of the last Grimms"...and they do appear to be very rare. So, this Grimm bloodline that Nick is from, may be one of the last ones on earth.

      They didn't give us enough of Trubel's back-story to exclude the possibility that Trubel and Nick are related in some way. In fact, they left it wide open.

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    • marry could tell nick she is from other family member, not need to clear it, if you are 12 and living by your aunt, another baby dont make bother. and childeren believe what ever other said.

      and kelly said to Marrie she is still alive and if she was pragnent will say her, she knew exactly it 50% chanace to get birth a grimm kid. it is not as normal getbirth and get rid of your child in hope she will finde her grace, it is about posiblity of give a grimm child to people who are not  grimm ,even maybe wesen. it is a very awfull future, she said when she become grimm she couldnt sleep for mounth, even her sister and dad were grimms.

      and she didnt think about this posiblity? i think if she got birth , she did, so best way to protect the child was what she did to nick. or if she couldnt, she will inform her sister to watch her new born baby. i think Trubel become grimm sooner than nick. and  aunt marrie live in newyork too. why she never go and get info about her? it will be abvios when a child become grimm. foster parents find it out that she is got crazy. marrie will know what does it mean as nick find it out so soon.even if monroe wouldnt told nick, after investagion he would.

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    • That's not possible, Trubel's birthday is April 29, 1993. The accident that killed Nick's father and sent Kelly into hiding was in March 1994. Nick was 11, almost 12 when the accident took place. He would have remembered a sister. ;)

      However, the fact that they are both originally from New York and both are Grimm's means they could be closely related, just not brother/sister. Maybe even aunt Marie had a child in secret and gave her up for adoption a year before the accident. 

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    • back to the point, why she left her baby? why farly colt didnt take care his child? idont think they are not relate d in such way.

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    • I've never believed Farley Kolt's story. There is no evidence to support his claims. He knew everything about the coins, I'm sure he did his research and figured out who Nick was before he even encountered Nick. I believe he made all that up to gain Nick's trust, he was locked up in jail and wanted Nick to let him out. 

      If Marie did have a child, she would have put her up for adoption because a new born would interfere with her occupation. And she probably wanted her to have as normal of a life as possible. But when Nick's parents "died", she had to take him in because he was almost 12 and it is what Kelly wanted.

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    • but there is posible that her baby become a grimm. she knew that, didnt she? a normal life could trasfer to a awefull life. she told nick i cant walk for few week after nightmares beginn.

      about Farly colt... yes streinadlers are not ....i dont know what is in english, in obvoius side(i think)... but he didnt know a grimm lives in portland. at that time, nick was not so famous. i think nick palce is a little wired for wesen comunity. so research find means when you know what are you doing, not when you suddenly fall into a problem.and arrested. and know exactly what is her name or... if you are right i really greet Farly colt because make a perfect virtual story.

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    • There don't appear to be a vast number of Grimms around, but at the same time there seems to be the impression that there are quite a few of them, even if only a couple are introduced. I don't think Nick and Truble are related.

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    • Isn't it amazing that Mari said Nick is the last of the Grimms. but we have meet two other Grimms. 

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    • Unverganglich wrote: There don't appear to be a vast number of Grimms around, but at the same time there seems to be the impression that there are quite a few of them, even if only a couple are introduced. I don't think Nick and Truble are related.

      Well technically they are. All Grimms are related somewhere along the lines, its just the linage stretches back thousands of years.

      As for how many there are. Its difficult to say, could be anything from hundreds to thousands.

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    • Syscrash53 wrote: Isn't it amazing that Mari said Nick is the last of the Grimms. but we have meet two other Grimms. 

      Actually he's met three.

      And no she said he was the last decedent of his particular family (as he didn't know his mother was alive at this point, and Marie never got the chance to tell him) that technically true.

      Until Nick has children of his own.

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    • @syscrash

      one of the last grimms i think, i watch that episode in full persian translate(they speack persian) and i heard she said: "yeki az akharin Grimm ha" that means "one of the last Grimms" itmeans for me there are not many grimm left. but he is not last one, and she said: i am not contact to other grimms.

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    • General MGD 109 wrote:

      Unverganglich wrote: There don't appear to be a vast number of Grimms around, but at the same time there seems to be the impression that there are quite a few of them, even if only a couple are introduced. I don't think Nick and Truble are related.

      Well technically they are. All Grimms are related somewhere along the lines, its just the linage stretches back thousands of years.

      As for how many there are. Its difficult to say, could be anything from hundreds to thousands.


      And 'technically' all humans are descendants of Adam and Eve. Grimms are no more related to each other than Wesen are to their own types; they're still born to different family lines, which can contribute to a good amount of distinction between them. They just share a similar gene.

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    • Unverganglich wrote:
      And 'technically' all humans are descendants of Adam and Eve. Grimms are no more related to each other than Wesen are to their own types; they're still born to different family lines, which can contribute to a good amount of distinction between them. They just share a similar gene.

      No, they legitemently all are related. Its one of the points of the show. Every Grimm can trace there ancestory back to a common figure.

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    • General MGD 109 wrote:

      Unverganglich wrote:
      And 'technically' all humans are descendants of Adam and Eve. Grimms are no more related to each other than Wesen are to their own types; they're still born to different family lines, which can contribute to a good amount of distinction between them. They just share a similar gene.

      No, they legitemently all are related. Its one of the points of the show. Every Grimm can trace there ancestory back to a common figure.

      What episode? Who is the common figure? Regardless, that doesn't make Truble and Nick 'closely related', which is the topic at hand. Without something more solid to actually show that traced liniage, I'm sticking with the shared gene perspective. Which, even if they can trace their lineage back to just one person (which seems unlikely since it seems to take two people with the same special gene to pass it on), if it's thousands of years in the past, it still seems largely irrelevant.

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    • The episode in question? Pretty much everyone which features Nick going through his books. Then there are the brothers Grimm, and after that the original seven knights in the fourth crusade (and then before them the ancient Roman Grimms).

      Now no, it doesn't make Nick and Trubel closely related, they easily could have shared a relative several hundred years ago, as Nick states when she asks him.

      Its just the two look so much alike, and have similar personalities (not to mention having brilliant sibling chemistry) that has led many fans to speculate there closer related than a few hundred years back (even David's on board with the idea).

      Personally for myself, I'll be okay if she turns out not to be closely related. As she is really Nick's sister, even if she isn't the exact same blood. But I would like it if they were.

      Not sure about the shared Gene theory. I mean for that to work it would require both parents to carry the gene, from what we've heard Grimms are no where near common enough for the majority of people to do so. And the majority don't seem to marry other Grimms.

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    • It's certainly possible, and wouldn't really be all that surprising, I just think it's too obvious to be true. Either way, having more Grimm in the picture certainly makes things more interesting. I was pretty disappointed that Roleck's son, Josh, turned out not to be a Grimm.

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    • Unverganglich wrote:
      It's certainly possible, and wouldn't really be all that surprising, I just think it's too obvious to be true. Either way, having more Grimm in the picture certainly makes things more interesting. I was pretty disappointed that Roleck's son, Josh, turned out not to be a Grimm.

      it is safer for him not to be a grimm. he was not fighting guy. frist lausenshlange will eat him!

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    • Wolfwand wrote:
      Unverganglich wrote:
      It's certainly possible, and wouldn't really be all that surprising, I just think it's too obvious to be true. Either way, having more Grimm in the picture certainly makes things more interesting. I was pretty disappointed that Roleck's son, Josh, turned out not to be a Grimm.
      it is safer for him not to be a grimm. he was not fighting guy. frist lausenshlange will eat him!

      Not really, as he's still an object of the Royals attention, hence a couple of Verat being sent to ransack his house and abduct/kill him, as they think he has one of the keys. So long as they think that, he's far from safe, but at least he has Truble helping him out for now.

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    • Unverganglich wrote: It's certainly possible, and wouldn't really be all that surprising, I just think it's too obvious to be true. Either way, having more Grimm in the picture certainly makes things more interesting. I was pretty disappointed that Roleck's son, Josh, turned out not to be a Grimm.

      Yeah I agree. Still he does provide an interesting perspective on what happens to the member of the family who don't inherit the powers (it was confirmed in the first episode not all of them do, but they still couldn't have a normal life due to there families activities and enemies).

      But yeah, I'm hoping he's going to turn out to be a late bloomer like Nick either that or he gets fatally wounded, and the groups forced to give him a psudeoscience blood transfusion that saves his life, but awakens his dormant potential (with obvious side effects of course).

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    • it is safer for him not to be a grimm. he was not fighting guy. frist lausenshlange will eat him!

      I wouldn't say that. Sure he's not a fighter, but he's been dragged into the life, simply by who his father and who his family is.

      Without a Grimm's powers he's vulnerable. I mean he doesn't have to become a warrior, no one says he can't use them just to keep himself alive.

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    • General MGD 109 wrote:

      it is safer for him not to be a grimm. he was not fighting guy. frist lausenshlange will eat him!

      I wouldn't say that. Sure he's not a fighter, but he's been dragged into the life, simply by who his father and who his family is.

      Without a Grimm's powers he's vulnerable. I mean he doesn't have to become a warrior, no one says he can't use them just to keep himself alive.

      i think not being a grimm is better to be one. trubel said in mail, there is any hundjeager there. they know that boy is not grimm and they know  he go to see a grimm. so he has no key. he is useless...

      but i am agree with you if they back, josh is dead.

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    • i think not being a grimm is better to be one. trubel said in mail, there is any hundjeager there. they know that boy is not grimm and they know  he go to see a grimm. so he has no key. he is useless...

      but i am agree with you if they back, josh is dead.

      But they don't know he doesn't have the key. They think he does.

      Well if they do come back, he has Trubel now to keep him safe. But he would probably feel safer if he could see what was after him, and potentially fight back (he's not a fighter, but there powers clearly pack a punch).

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    • Fighter, Grimm, or otherwise. A bullet will likely stop a Hundjaeger, woged or not. He's probably wishing he paid more attention to his father's ramblings and the journals he had.

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    • Yeah a bullet will kill a hundjaeger (provided it has enough stopping power and hits the right place). But if your not carrying a gun (which most people don't, not while there out to the shops or such) and you get ambushed by a incredibly fast beast with sharp teeth your going be kind of wishing you had the true sight being a grimm gives (not to mention the enhanced reflexes, strength and durability).

      And yeah, I'm sure he thinks about that at least twice a day.

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    • Wolfwand wrote:
      it is safer for him not to be a grimm. he was not fighting guy. frist lausenshlange will eat him!

      lausenschlange, Dude,  häh? What's that ? They don't eat wolfs ??  XXD             Now, seriosly.    I think there are much more Grimms.  A number.? Maybe 10000 worldwide. If you consider the world population it's nothing.  The same as by the Royals, we have surely a ranking among the Grimms. We have Endezeichner Grimms, Grimms who worked for the Royals and maybe those who are unknown. I can not imagine they are all related. No, I think there are different bloodlines. What about those who married a Wesen or even Hexenbiest.?  Maybe half- half. And have grimm and other abilities.

      The seven Knights had their abilities without being related, my opinion. Maybe they were the strongest, the elite  (ruling class among the Grimms). So the different ranking of Wesen, Grimms, Hexenbiest and whatever, might be a reason the special section of the Verraner exists, comparing family trees.
      The Vatican has also a similar section.

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    • I kind of disagree, the shows always worked on the idea there related. Nick will refer to any Grimm whose exploit he reads about, as a relative of his (a very distant sure, we're probably talking as in sharing a single ancestor hundreds of years ago) but still a very faint bloodline.

      Every other Grimm has done the same.

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    • General MGD 109 wrote:
      I kind of disagree, the shows always worked on the idea there related. Nick will refer to any Grimm whose exploit he reads about, as a relative of his (a very distant sure, we're probably talking as in sharing a single ancestor hundreds of years ago) but still a very faint bloodline.

      Every other Grimm has done the same.

      Not really. He reads those exploits out of journals that have been in his family for a very long time, passed down the line. Josh's father had similair journals for his family line. This doesn't make all Grimms even remotely related; they're just reading about things -their- specific ancestors who were Grimms took time to write down.

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    • They are using the generic ancestors.  Such as if you have red hair, you will refer to other red haired people as your ancestors. Because you share the same trait. I have never got the impression that he was refering to a blood line. Even when Trubel ask if they where related. Nick replied somewhere  in the past. indicating taht Nick believes that all Grimm steem from a single source.  the original ADam and Eve of Grimms. 

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    • i agree with macrobos and syscrash. and Unverganglich

      you know in episode of Wild hunt, when they were reading the books, a translate was in Arabic. now how can say a Arabic Grimm and a German grimm are from a family root?or that Japnesse Doctor in Trantalla.

      and Rolek porter's book is in nick staffs. maybe about that grimm who never back from La liorona same happedn. their children werent grimm and their books is given to other known grimms, or other grimms tookover the legacy.(as what nick did to josh)

      i think all staffs  are gathered by grimms, not only as a inhertance .

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    • I actually hope trubel and Nick are not related becuase Iam one those very few trubel and Nick shippers

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    • Vegeta ssj5 wrote:
      I actually hope trubel and Nick are not related becuase Iam one those very few trubel and Nick shippers


      Shippers?

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    • Unverganglich wrote:

      Vegeta ssj5 wrote:
      I actually hope trubel and Nick are not related becuase Iam one those very few trubel and Nick shippers


      Shippers?

      You know shipping two people to end up together

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    • @Unverganglich

      The term 'Shippers' comes from the word...'Relationship'.
      Relation-ship.

      Shippers are people who fantasize about personal relationships between two characters.

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    • Oh, ok. I think if things don't work out with Julliete (at this point I really hope she dies), and Adalind survives, I think there's always the chance that Nick and Adalind could settle their differences. Considering her Hexenbeist spirit is suppressed now, and she's going to give birth to his son in a few months...stranger thigns have happened.

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    • I'll be honest, I except things are dead between him and Juliette I imagine she'll end up dead soon. And then unless Nick's going to go make a deal with a demon (they exist in this show after all) that will be the end of her.

      But I hope he doesn't end up with Adalind, I except they have chemistry. But she did rape him, that's a bit to much to over look. Now if he eventually forgives her (lets face it, as bad as she is really she's been through a lot) and they become convenient allies, that I don't mind, but not lovers.

      Likewise I also don't want him to end up with Trubel, they have a strong bound no doubt, and I have no problems with him dating another Grimm (sure there technically related, but after around four generations it doesn't count anymore) but honestly I can't see it. Really there more like a brother and sister, or even father and daughter if you squint a bit. Plus there is the age gap, I mean he's around thirteen years older than her.

      I think the show needs to give him a new love interest. Preferably some body who knows about his world, and can stand with him.

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    • Honestly, this whole thing has been so so so messed up the moment Adalind gave birth to Diana... I also except that both Adalind and Nick have chemistry- but Adalind DID technically rape Nick into coincedentally having a child together (which due to the Juliette-Adalind-Nick-sleeping-together thing, the baby could be either women's, Adalind didnt say she had a DNA check)...

      but think, Renard was the original bad guy in the first season's episodes. He ordered Adalind to do the bad things on behalf of the Royal Family originally...yet he was forgiven?

      And I just hope and wish Juliett and Adalind just woge, shriek, and bust each other's heads off. Though that's not going to happen...

      And also according to the birthdates, Nick and Trubel are 13 years apart. I highly doubt that she's part of the Burkhardts family, maybe she's a Roleck of some sort. Or hey she could be a different Grimm from a completely unheard of Grimm family streak?

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    • 108.94.10.102 wrote:

      Honestly, this whole thing has been so so so messed up the moment Adalind gave birth to Diana... I also except that both Adalind and Nick have chemistry- but Adalind DID technically rape Nick into coincedentally having a child together (which due to the Juliette-Adalind-Nick-sleeping-together thing, the baby could be either women's, Adalind didnt say she had a DNA check)...

      Yeah that is a good point actually. It would be a real kick in the teeth for Adalind if it turned it wasn't hers. After having to give birth to him.

      but think, Renard was the original bad guy in the first season's episodes. He ordered Adalind to do the bad things on behalf of the Royal Family originally...yet he was forgiven?

      Yeah its confusing, I mean they spent a while building him up as the big bad and an evil counterpart to Nick. Then they reveal he's really a more anti-heroic figure. I wouldn't got as far as forgiven, the group work together, but I don't think Nick's truly trusted Renard since he found out the truth.

      And I just hope and wish Juliett and Adalind just woge, shriek, and bust each other's heads off. Though that's not going to happen...

      Shame.

      And also according to the birthdates, Nick and Trubel are 13 years apart. I highly doubt that she's part of the Burkhardts family, maybe she's a Roleck of some sort. Or hey she could be a different Grimm from a completely unheard of Grimm family streak?

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      Its unlikely she's part of his direct family (I won't complain if she is though, I mean there certainly could pass for siblings). But she's probably slightly distantly related. The show seems to run on the idea all Grimms are in someway related (I mean Nick, Kelly and Marie always referred to every grimm as there Ancestors. And the books do suggest some sort of complicated linage).

      Still its really unlikely to be anywhere close (as Nick said, probably shared an ancestor a couple hundred years ago).

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    • I have always thought that nick and trouble are closely related. I wouldnt put it pastthe mother (who was in all sorts of shenanigans), to hide and get trouble fostered (she wasnt adopted only fostered). 

      Nick was a grown man knew nothing about grimm life, not a tall story or anything. The mother faked her own death. The baby could have been at risk! It was for her own protection she was fostered.

      Why havent they the writers dabbled into finding out about her biological parents... arethey savin this for later because surely trubles lineage is an interest... where did she gether grimm powers from.. and possible brothers sisters...cousins etc... 

      Or maybe even a illeigetimate child of Nicks grandfather,  (like his grandaughter with a woman for whom he had an affair).

      To me they are brother and sister... until the writers prove otherwise! in this "grimms are scarse" universe

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    • On the topic of Grimm ancestry, I always thought that Grimms were the result of some kind of curse/magic/something along those lines. All Wesen seem to more or less abide by the general laws of the animal kingdom, with the exception of Hexenbiests, who are the closest to 'human' even when woged. (In the sense that they don't have animal characteristics). Grimms, on the other hand, have no true woge but for their eyes, which can only be seen by Wesen during their woge. Grimms also appear to exist for no purpose other than to kill Wesen--they don't feed on them, gather any power from them, or really coexist with the Wesen in any way. There also don't ever seem to have been many of them in the world at one time, which makes it seem like the Grimm genes are rare, or at least very recessive. Grimms also seem to be able to evolve/change their physiology to suit any hinderances, such as when Nick lost his eyesight and gained the ability to hear over long distances and when he was poisoned by the Cracher-Mortel and continued to fight and was unaffected by his slowed heartrate. Essentially, Grimms seem almost designed to fight against Wesen, which leads me to believe that perhaps they were designed or created in some way. This would account for the differences between them and the rest of the Wesen world, and explain the broad ancestry that seems to span multiple family trees and several countries. I could be entirely wrong, but I don't think the origins of Grimms and Wesen are quite the same.

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    • 90.24.190.184 wrote:
      On the topic of Grimm ancestry, I always thought that Grimms were the result of some kind of curse/magic/something along those lines. All Wesen seem to more or less abide by the general laws of the animal kingdom, with the exception of Hexenbiests, who are the closest to 'human' even when woged. (In the sense that they don't have animal characteristics). I could be entirely wrong, but I don't think the origins of Grimms and Wesen are quite the same.

      I find this thesis interessant. Yes, Grimm are kind of Hunters. So the questions, were do they come from ?

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    • Macrobos, you should frist findout were Wesens come from,i think Grimm ancesrters and wesens are sort of same.

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    • Wolfwand wrote:
      Macrobos, you should frist findout were Wesens come from,i think Grimm ancesrters and wesens are sort of same.


      Maybe in the same timeline, but do you think the origin might be the same ?

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    • i think they might be result of sort of mix marrige between wesens and kerseiten and a little magic or spell. Grimms are in a way very close to wesens. and in a way they are not as any other wesen. and consider they are very rare.

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    • I don't know, I mean there similar, but not the same.

      But perhaps Grimms were not so much created, but have always existed. There the naturally buffer state that is meant to exist between the Kerseiten and Wesen worlds.

      Someone who belongs to both parties, and can keep them safe from those who would do them harm.

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    • @ General MGD 109 but dude, Grimms never protected the wesens. they just killed them. if you listen to grimm wrotes, they never do anything good for wesens. dont count Nick in this way, he is not the grimm who wesen knows. if it , i can think about may be hexenbiests are also as grimms. they ca n not be cound fully as a wesen. beacuse they can loose and gain their powers. as grimms.

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    • Now this is pure speculation, but consider. We know Wesen have more or less been around since the beginning, as such it stands to reason that so have Grimms.

      Perhaps in the beginning they did protect both parties, its just as they needed to protect humans more (after all Wesen have all the advantages except numbers) over time there intention shifted, and what we're seeing now is the natural progression of the events.

      I mean most of the records we've heard date back a few centuries, the earliest around two thousand years ago.

      Whose to say what the state of affairs was like? Say 5,000 years ago? 10,000 years?

      No one knows obviously, cause no records survive, and like I said its only speculation, but I think its a plausible theory.

      If not, I think the idea of them being something of a natural buffer state makes sense.

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    • Wow, this got a lot of attention... I am intrigued by the question. Since the Grimms are pretty much in the same family I would find it safe to say they are related, however Trubel witnessed her parents murder. That, and why would she say both parents are dead if Kelly had taken her with her, likewise, if Kelly had left her she would have grown up with Nick and he would know... I am sure most of what I am saying has already been said, as I did not read every comment. But I can assure you I did much research and read many opinions on the topic. Also, they are in Portland, Oregon. From the police files it says she was born in New York City.

      Source

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    • Blutbau Fuchsbad wrote: Also, they are in Portland, Oregon. From the police files it says she was born in New York City.

      Source

      Well its unlikely to be true but I would just like to point out Nick was also from New York originally, he didn't come to Portland till later on.

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    • DreamwalkerOfTheDreamscape wrote:
      Also Trubels parents died. I know that Nick thought Kelly dided, but Trubel was there for her parent"s death.

      But they were here adoptive/foster parents

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    • Many people think that Kelly is Trubel's mom. I, frankly, really really hope not, because if Kelly is Trubel's mom, then I can no longer have any respect for Kelly whatsoever.

      Think about it... one of the few things that's known about Grimm physiology is that female Grimms typically come into their abilities much earlier than male Grimms do. During childhood, in fact. Kelly was, I believe, 11 when she manifested as a Grimm, and I think Trubel was 10.

      So. Hypothetical. You're Kelly. You're a Grimm. You know perfectly well that female Grimms typically manifest in childhood. You have just given birth to a baby girl. And you put her in foster care?

      At least Nick was a) a boy, and therefore unlikely to manifest until adulthood, and b) left in the care of his aunt, who, worst case scenario, could at least explain things to him. Trubel was left alone in a world where people turn into monsters that nobody else can see that then try to kill you for no apparent reason, as a child.

      The only excuse for any parent doing that to their daughter is if they died. And Kelly didn't die when Trubel was a child. Therefore, either Kelly is not Trubel's mother, or she is an irredeemable psychopath. I prefer the first possibility. :)

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    • Nick and Trubel do look alike don't they? I think there is a family connection some where.

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    • The timeline doesn't work...as someone pointed out upthread:

      Kaliam wrote:
      That's not possible, Trubel's birthday is April 29, 1993. The accident that killed Nick's father and sent Kelly into hiding was in March 1994. Nick was 11, almost 12 when the accident took place. He would have remembered a sister. ;)


      Yes...Nick and Trubel do look alike.
      They were both born in New York state, and they are both Grimms, so it's possible that they are related somehow.

      We don't know if the showrunners picked Jacqueline Toboni for the part of Trubel because she looked like David Giuntoli...this could have been one of the reasons.
      We'll have to wait and see. :)

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    • What makes if kind of cute is that the actors that are playing Trubel, Nick and Kelly are of Italian heritage in real life. XD Seeing Jackie and David have the dark features, they kind of do look like siblings xD

      Other than that, It is possible that the characters are distantly related to each other, seeing that they both have German surnames and that they both hail from New York. Trubels parents either abandoned her or they died from a wesen attack, and the fact she was orphaned at a really young age (and probably doesn't remember what her real parents look like).They could be distant cousins for all we know, the only one that can confirm is it Marie or Kelly, but Nick never really told Kelly about Trubel and we'll never know..

      As what we have seen from the show, Nick is now known around the world, and the annoying thing is he hasn't really tapped into the wesen news network like how Kelly heard about the Grimm that beheaded a reaper, she didn't know who that Grimm was until he told her it was him. Did Rolek know Nick because of Marie or Kelly, how did he know Nick was a Grimm? 

      I reckon in the Grimm world, there are heaps, it's just that they don't know they are Grimms, they're either locked in mental hospitals or end up dead as soon as they have the ability to see wesen.

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    • In the very last episode of the show it says that Theresa is Nick's cousin i dont know if they are are saying she is Marie's baby or what but I don't think so because I don't feel like Marie with abandoned her child with the chance of it growing up to be a grim and having to deal with that on her own cuz she came back for neck when she thought he might be starting to do his Grimm stuff.

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    • A Grimmster
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