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  • For those of us with bad memories, here are the cliffhangers from the end of season 3.

    • Nick is, for all practical purposes, no longer a Grimm.
    • Juliette is ready to walk out on Nick since life has not settled down any.
    • Trubel is ready to move out on her own again.
    • Renard is in intensive care, having sustained multiple shots to the chest.
    • Adalind is en route to Vienna to meet Viktor, who will have to keep playing her since he doesn't know where Diana is.
    • Monroe's best man fled the wedding with the mystery Grimm. Awkward.
    • Kelly has Diana.
    • The antidote for Nick's curse has been lost.
    • Wu found and read a little about slaying a Lausenschlange. And he connected the sketch to the Aswang that he finally decided he'd imagined. Reading about chopping off a guy's head and then finding a fresh head wasn't strange, either.
    • Franco noticed Nick seems to be up to something.
    • The Purewelt Orden will be adding Monroe and Rosalee to their hit list, no doubt.

    Meanwhile, we have a few "at large" characters out there still. Stefania, Ariel, and Khloe, among others.

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    • Why do they do this to us at the end of every season?! >_<

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    • So we'll watch the next season

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    • Ha, I look forward to the season cliffhangers!

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    • PDXBlazer wrote:
      So we'll watch the next season

      Okay, BUT US DIEHARD GRIMMSTERS WILL WATCH THE NEXT SEASON NO MATTER WHAT!!!

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    • Well they have to make things extra interesting to finish off a season

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    • Diehards aren't who they care about. Obviously they won't lose the diehards; they're trying to keep the attention of the people that surf channels.

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    • I think Nick will get his powers back later in season 4 with help from either Sean or Kelly.

      When it comes to Adalind I think Viktor will persure her in someway and find out that Kelly was the women who visited the FBI agent along with Nick and Sean.


      In someway I think Diana will "find her way" to Viktor and the Royals somehow, mainly because of Adalind and there is a huge chance Adalind will get killed in season 4 by the Royals or Sean (if he survives)

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    • I'm guessing Nick will get his powers back by episode 13 if this season is like the last 2 where major things happen between episodes 12/13. I just hope it doesn't take the entire season for him to get his powers back. Well I guess the mythology of the show has been advanced pretty far in episode 13 of each season

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    • as for the "at large" characters, Khloe was threatened by Sean to never return to Portland so i doubt she'll cause any problems. if what she said was true, she just enjoys bringing out the potential in people, and if she becomes a problem wherever she moved to, the neaqrest Grimm will probably take care of her. as for Ariel, ive been waiting for her return. Stefania was last seen helping the Royals if i remember correctly, and with Adalind returning to Vienna, she might be brought into things a bit more. so, Khloe, not likely to be an issue, Ariel, i m waiting for her return, Stefania, likely to become more prominent with Adalind's return to Vienna. we'll how accurate i am.

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    • Oh, and Maya better show up, too.

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    • Well, at least this time, the writers didn't do anything sassy. xD
      Like PDX said, Nick would probably get his power back in the middle of the season. If they drag on the story of how, it'll get so boring. Now onto Wu, do you think this time he'll find out about the Wesen world? He has all the puzzle pieces and now he can finally put it together. The books + what he saw, he knows he ain't crazy. I wonder if he took the book with him and read it over, with his cat. xD

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    • PDXBlazer wrote:
      I'm guessing Nick will get his powers back by episode 13 if this season is like the last 2 where major things happen between episodes 12/13. I just hope it doesn't take the entire season for him to get his powers back. Well I guess the mythology of the show has been advanced pretty far in episode 13 of each season

      Say, but what about before that? Nick lost his Grimm powers, but his Zombie powers are still variables - Vik did not say anything about that. Maybe the Grimm powers are the tether of the zombie wildrage powers and now that the tether's gone, will Nick relapse back into a human with zombie rage? Fully conscious but just can't control it, losing a bit of his sanity with each passing episodes? Maybe he will near-completely lose his sanity in the immediate moment before the gang manage to restore his powers, and with all his powers restored, so does his sanity - along with an acquisition of an upgrade. That's what I figure what may happen.

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      Nick's new upgrade: Augmented Grimm Vision Rank II (active power).










      (Command: For Darkseid)

      By the way, it also gives them another reason to restore his powers ASAP - we all saw the damage Nick caused when he was in the last zombie rampage.

      By another way, when you see the picture displayed above... try not think of Cyclops too much, okay?

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    • By the way, what about a Cyclops Wesen!?

      Mmm mm... Back to this. I don't want to loosing power thing to be stretched out the whole season. Also, I heard that whether Renard lives or not depends on Sasha Roiz's contract... Holy crap!

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    • Grimmival wrote:
      By the way, what about a Cyclops Wesen!?

      Mmm mm... Back to this. I don't want to loosing power thing to be stretched out the whole season. Also, I heard that whether Renard lives or not depends on Sasha Roiz's contract... Holy crap!

      Holy crap indeed. Hope he can renew his contract. Losing Renard would be removing a pillar, which could bring down the whole Grimm house.

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    • I think Nick's Grimm-powers will at latest be regained five episodes in. They'll probably find a way to cure him in the second or third episode (or maybe at the end of the first!), and the first one will be him and Juliette debating whether or not it's worth it to regain them (to which the end decision will be a resounding yes). Then the fourth or fifth he'll have found something (or someone) that can give him his powers back (after "coercing" a few Wesen Wissenden to "help" him).

      Then, Adalind (who, like I thought before the baby situation, is probably going to be the Big Bad for the whole show) will be in deep Hundjagerscheiße. Hopefully, Adalind will not be the Big Bad, and someone like King Frederick will be the new Big Bad, but Royals never seem to live that long on this show.

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    • If Renard survives, he will be able to tell Nick how to get his powers back. I'm guessing they'll figure out how to get them back, but actually getting them back may take more time because it probably isn't easy.

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    • Harbinger3781 wrote:

      Grimmival wrote:
      By the way, what about a Cyclops Wesen!?

      Mmm mm... Back to this. I don't want to loosing power thing to be stretched out the whole season. Also, I heard that whether Renard lives or not depends on Sasha Roiz's contract... Holy crap!

      Holy crap indeed. Hope he can renew his contract. Losing Renard would be removing a pillar, which could bring down the whole Grimm house.

      They could bring in a new captain from somewhere else with even more pull in the Wesen world. But yes, that's an essential part of this.

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    • Maybe Renard will come out of intensive care (or at least regain the ability of clearminded speech) in the second episode, like the layout I proposed in my previous post. Yeah, he'll be the one through which they'll find the cure IF he survives.

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    • Grimmival wrote:
      By the way, what about a Cyclops Wesen!?

      that would be cool

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    • Wonder what'll happen to Monroe & Rosalee.

      What of their friendship with Nick?

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    • 24.150.98.227 wrote:
      Wonder what'll happen to Monroe & Rosalee.

      What of their friendship with Nick?

      I don't think anything will change between Monroe and Rosalee, however maybe between Monroe and Nick. 

      How I don't know.

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    • 81.234.156.29 wrote:
      24.150.98.227 wrote:
      Wonder what'll happen to Monroe & Rosalee.

      What of their friendship with Nick?

      I don't think anything will change between Monroe and Rosalee, however maybe between Monroe and Nick. 

      How I don't know.

      I don't think Monroe would change anything between them. Nick is more like the variable. Best case scenario? Nick gets agitated and moody, and be not as good to Monroe as before, but Monroe still being Nick's blood brother and stands by his side no matter what.

      Like Victor Creed shouts to Jimmy Logan [Wolverine]:

      "Back to back!"

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    • Taking another look at the last episode, I don't think Nick will try to get his Grimm powers back because of Juliette. Just before the wedding Juliette says: "By you being who you are, I don't think I can't take it anymore." With that being said either Nick will not try/want to get his Grimm powers back and stay with Juliette or he will try to get the powers back and leaving Juliette.

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    • Hated this episode. Adalind needs to die. I'm tired of seeing her get the upper hand on Sean and Nick, EVERY SINGLE TIME.

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    • 96.243.109.174 wrote:
      Hated this episode. Adalind needs to die. I'm tired of seeing her get the upper hand on Sean and Nick, EVERY SINGLE TIME.

      Either Adalind will die or get injured and get back to Portland where she will need to talk to Nick which will not really work out. She will probably be the one to help Nick get his powers back and he will make sure she meets her baby again. 

      But if Sean wakes up early in the season (if he wakes up at all) he will probably tell Nick what he needs to do to get his powers back.

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    • 96.243.109.174 wrote:
      Hated this episode. Adalind needs to die. I'm tired of seeing her get the upper hand on Sean and Nick, EVERY SINGLE TIME.

      Well said XD

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    • Roacher27 wrote:
      96.243.109.174 wrote:
      Hated this episode. Adalind needs to die. I'm tired of seeing her get the upper hand on Sean and Nick, EVERY SINGLE TIME.
      Well said XD


      Amen...

      this was the most nasty cliffhanger they could set up...

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    • I'm just glad Renard is FINALLY over Adalind.

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    • Keep on hanging, only a few hours left!

      Which cliffhanger has been the hardest to hang onto for you?

      For me, it has been wondering what the wedding guests will do now that the best man had just fled with the mystery Grimm.

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    • The cliffhanger that was the hardest to hold onto was from last week's episode. The blonde chick in the last scene, looking into Renard's room. Is she Renard's mother? :S

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    • QuinnHeartly wrote:
      The cliffhanger that was the hardest to hold onto was from last week's episode. The blonde chick in the last scene, looking into Renard's room. Is she Renard's mother? :S

      I don't think it's his mother due to sneak peaks from other episodes, her voice dosent match for me compere to when Sean talk to her over the phone (beggining of season 3 don't remeber the episode)

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    • Kobaah wrote:
      QuinnHeartly wrote:
      The cliffhanger that was the hardest to hold onto was from last week's episode. The blonde chick in the last scene, looking into Renard's room. Is she Renard's mother? :S
      I don't think it's his mother due to sneak peaks from other episodes, her voice dosent match for me compere to when Sean talk to her over the phone (beggining of season 3 don't remeber the episode)

      I think it was his mother don't forget the sound of his mothers voice couldn't have been correct then because they didn't know which actress was going to be playing the woman 

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    • Teenwolf4life wrote:
      Kobaah wrote:
      QuinnHeartly wrote:
      The cliffhanger that was the hardest to hold onto was from last week's episode. The blonde chick in the last scene, looking into Renard's room. Is she Renard's mother? :S
      I don't think it's his mother due to sneak peaks from other episodes, her voice dosent match for me compere to when Sean talk to her over the phone (beggining of season 3 don't remeber the episode)
      I think it was his mother don't forget the sound of his mothers voice couldn't have been correct then because they didn't know which actress was going to be playing the woman 

      Well, that is true. And when the cast/crew were on comic com talking about season 4 they said Renards mom would be in the season so it's fully possible being his mother.

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    • Kobaah wrote:
      Teenwolf4life wrote:
      Kobaah wrote:
      QuinnHeartly wrote:
      The cliffhanger that was the hardest to hold onto was from last week's episode. The blonde chick in the last scene, looking into Renard's room. Is she Renard's mother? :S
      I don't think it's his mother due to sneak peaks from other episodes, her voice dosent match for me compere to when Sean talk to her over the phone (beggining of season 3 don't remeber the episode)
      I think it was his mother don't forget the sound of his mothers voice couldn't have been correct then because they didn't know which actress was going to be playing the woman 
      Well, that is true. And when the cast/crew were on comic com talking about season 4 they said Renards mom would be in the season so it's fully possible being his mother.

      It would be the most logical answer her being seans mum. I hope she is actually on nicks side because I really want her to help him get his grimm powers back

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    • Plus people sound different on the phone.

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    • I'm pretty sure Renard's mom had a French accent when he talked to her on the phone and I don't hear an accent when the woman briefly talks in the promo trailer

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    • Teenwolf4life wrote:
      Kobaah wrote:
      Teenwolf4life wrote:
      Kobaah wrote:
      QuinnHeartly wrote:
      The cliffhanger that was the hardest to hold onto was from last week's episode. The blonde chick in the last scene, looking into Renard's room. Is she Renard's mother? :S
      I don't think it's his mother due to sneak peaks from other episodes, her voice dosent match for me compere to when Sean talk to her over the phone (beggining of season 3 don't remeber the episode)
      I think it was his mother don't forget the sound of his mothers voice couldn't have been correct then because they didn't know which actress was going to be playing the woman 
      Well, that is true. And when the cast/crew were on comic com talking about season 4 they said Renards mom would be in the season so it's fully possible being his mother.
      It would be the most logical answer her being seans mum. I hope she is actually on nicks side because I really want her to help him get his grimm powers back

      As far as I understand from promos she's helping Rosalee and Monroe to figure out how to help Nick so I would say she's on Nicks side

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    • Kobaah wrote:
      Teenwolf4life wrote:
      Kobaah wrote:
      Teenwolf4life wrote:
      Kobaah wrote:
      QuinnHeartly wrote:
      The cliffhanger that was the hardest to hold onto was from last week's episode. The blonde chick in the last scene, looking into Renard's room. Is she Renard's mother? :S
      I don't think it's his mother due to sneak peaks from other episodes, her voice dosent match for me compere to when Sean talk to her over the phone (beggining of season 3 don't remeber the episode)
      I think it was his mother don't forget the sound of his mothers voice couldn't have been correct then because they didn't know which actress was going to be playing the woman 
      Well, that is true. And when the cast/crew were on comic com talking about season 4 they said Renards mom would be in the season so it's fully possible being his mother.
      It would be the most logical answer her being seans mum. I hope she is actually on nicks side because I really want her to help him get his grimm powers back
      As far as I understand from promos she's helping Rosalee and Monroe to figure out how to help Nick so I would say she's on Nicks side

      but will she actually be on their side or will she just attempt to get close and then try and kill them all

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    • Teenwolf4life wrote:

      Kobaah wrote:
      Teenwolf4life wrote:
      Kobaah wrote:
      Teenwolf4life wrote:
      Kobaah wrote:
      QuinnHeartly wrote:
      The cliffhanger that was the hardest to hold onto was from last week's episode. The blonde chick in the last scene, looking into Renard's room. Is she Renard's mother? :S
      I don't think it's his mother due to sneak peaks from other episodes, her voice dosent match for me compere to when Sean talk to her over the phone (beggining of season 3 don't remeber the episode)
      I think it was his mother don't forget the sound of his mothers voice couldn't have been correct then because they didn't know which actress was going to be playing the woman 
      Well, that is true. And when the cast/crew were on comic com talking about season 4 they said Renards mom would be in the season so it's fully possible being his mother.
      It would be the most logical answer her being seans mum. I hope she is actually on nicks side because I really want her to help him get his grimm powers back
      As far as I understand from promos she's helping Rosalee and Monroe to figure out how to help Nick so I would say she's on Nicks side

      but will she actually be on their side or will she just attempt to get close and then try and kill them all

      I think she will stay on their side until Renard and Nick are healed, and then she will leave (or die, never know what those writers will do).

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    • Roacher27 wrote:

      Teenwolf4life wrote:

      Kobaah wrote:
      Teenwolf4life wrote:
      Kobaah wrote:
      Teenwolf4life wrote:
      Kobaah wrote:
      QuinnHeartly wrote:
      The cliffhanger that was the hardest to hold onto was from last week's episode. The blonde chick in the last scene, looking into Renard's room. Is she Renard's mother? :S
      I don't think it's his mother due to sneak peaks from other episodes, her voice dosent match for me compere to when Sean talk to her over the phone (beggining of season 3 don't remeber the episode)
      I think it was his mother don't forget the sound of his mothers voice couldn't have been correct then because they didn't know which actress was going to be playing the woman 
      Well, that is true. And when the cast/crew were on comic com talking about season 4 they said Renards mom would be in the season so it's fully possible being his mother.
      It would be the most logical answer her being seans mum. I hope she is actually on nicks side because I really want her to help him get his grimm powers back
      As far as I understand from promos she's helping Rosalee and Monroe to figure out how to help Nick so I would say she's on Nicks side
      but will she actually be on their side or will she just attempt to get close and then try and kill them all
      I think she will stay on their side until Renard and Nick are healed, and then she will leave (or die, never know what those writers will do).

      I think it depends on who she is on if she'll stay or not. I hope she'll stay, don't really know why though.

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    • Kobaah wrote:
      Roacher27 wrote:

      Teenwolf4life wrote:


      Kobaah wrote:
      Teenwolf4life wrote:
      Kobaah wrote:
      Teenwolf4life wrote:
      Kobaah wrote:
      QuinnHeartly wrote:
      The cliffhanger that was the hardest to hold onto was from last week's episode. The blonde chick in the last scene, looking into Renard's room. Is she Renard's mother? :S
      I don't think it's his mother due to sneak peaks from other episodes, her voice dosent match for me compere to when Sean talk to her over the phone (beggining of season 3 don't remeber the episode)
      I think it was his mother don't forget the sound of his mothers voice couldn't have been correct then because they didn't know which actress was going to be playing the woman 
      Well, that is true. And when the cast/crew were on comic com talking about season 4 they said Renards mom would be in the season so it's fully possible being his mother.
      It would be the most logical answer her being seans mum. I hope she is actually on nicks side because I really want her to help him get his grimm powers back
      As far as I understand from promos she's helping Rosalee and Monroe to figure out how to help Nick so I would say she's on Nicks side
      but will she actually be on their side or will she just attempt to get close and then try and kill them all
      I think she will stay on their side until Renard and Nick are healed, and then she will leave (or die, never know what those writers will do).
      I think it depends on who she is on if she'll stay or not. I hope she'll stay, don't really know why though.


      Well, it's been confirmed on Friday's episode. It's Renard's mother. How on earth does she look so young?! o.O She has to teach me her ways.

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    • I stopped watching the promos since they tend to completely spoil the upcoming episode these days.

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    • QuinnHeartly wrote:
      Kobaah wrote:
      Roacher27 wrote:

      Teenwolf4life wrote:


      Kobaah wrote:
      Teenwolf4life wrote:
      Kobaah wrote:
      Teenwolf4life wrote:
      Kobaah wrote:
      QuinnHeartly wrote:
      The cliffhanger that was the hardest to hold onto was from last week's episode. The blonde chick in the last scene, looking into Renard's room. Is she Renard's mother? :S
      I don't think it's his mother due to sneak peaks from other episodes, her voice dosent match for me compere to when Sean talk to her over the phone (beggining of season 3 don't remeber the episode)
      I think it was his mother don't forget the sound of his mothers voice couldn't have been correct then because they didn't know which actress was going to be playing the woman 
      Well, that is true. And when the cast/crew were on comic com talking about season 4 they said Renards mom would be in the season so it's fully possible being his mother.
      It would be the most logical answer her being seans mum. I hope she is actually on nicks side because I really want her to help him get his grimm powers back
      As far as I understand from promos she's helping Rosalee and Monroe to figure out how to help Nick so I would say she's on Nicks side
      but will she actually be on their side or will she just attempt to get close and then try and kill them all
      I think she will stay on their side until Renard and Nick are healed, and then she will leave (or die, never know what those writers will do).
      I think it depends on who she is on if she'll stay or not. I hope she'll stay, don't really know why though.

      Well, it's been confirmed on Friday's episode. It's Renard's mother. How on earth does she look so young?! o.O She has to teach me her ways.

      Hexenbiests have many tricks

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    • PDXBlazer wrote:
      QuinnHeartly wrote:
      Kobaah wrote:
      Roacher27 wrote:

      Teenwolf4life wrote:



      Kobaah wrote:
      Teenwolf4life wrote:
      Kobaah wrote:
      Teenwolf4life wrote:
      Kobaah wrote:
      QuinnHeartly wrote:
      The cliffhanger that was the hardest to hold onto was from last week's episode. The blonde chick in the last scene, looking into Renard's room. Is she Renard's mother? :S
      I don't think it's his mother due to sneak peaks from other episodes, her voice dosent match for me compere to when Sean talk to her over the phone (beggining of season 3 don't remeber the episode)
      I think it was his mother don't forget the sound of his mothers voice couldn't have been correct then because they didn't know which actress was going to be playing the woman 
      Well, that is true. And when the cast/crew were on comic com talking about season 4 they said Renards mom would be in the season so it's fully possible being his mother.
      It would be the most logical answer her being seans mum. I hope she is actually on nicks side because I really want her to help him get his grimm powers back
      As far as I understand from promos she's helping Rosalee and Monroe to figure out how to help Nick so I would say she's on Nicks side
      but will she actually be on their side or will she just attempt to get close and then try and kill them all
      I think she will stay on their side until Renard and Nick are healed, and then she will leave (or die, never know what those writers will do).
      I think it depends on who she is on if she'll stay or not. I hope she'll stay, don't really know why though.

      Well, it's been confirmed on Friday's episode. It's Renard's mother. How on earth does she look so young?! o.O She has to teach me her ways.

      Hexenbiests have many tricks

      I knew it was his mother I can't believe she looks so young all the hexenbiests look very young though to be honest 

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    • Teenwolf4life wrote:
      PDXBlazer wrote:
      Hexenbiests have many tricks
      I knew it was his mother I can't believe she looks so young all the hexenbiests look very young though to be honest 

      Young and blonde

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    • PDXBlazer wrote:
      Teenwolf4life wrote:
      PDXBlazer wrote:
      Hexenbiests have many tricks
      I knew it was his mother I can't believe she looks so young all the hexenbiests look very young though to be honest 
      Young and blonde

      and most of them are hot as hell, well in human form at least only a necrophiliac could like the look of a hexenbiests true form 

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    • PDXBlazer wrote:

      QuinnHeartly wrote:

      ...How on earth does [Renard's mother] look so young?! o.O She has to teach me her ways.

      Hexenbiests have many tricks

      Apparently plastic surgery is one of them.

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    • Bob the Wikipedian wrote:

      PDXBlazer wrote:

      QuinnHeartly wrote:

      ...How on earth does [Renard's mother] look so young?! o.O She has to teach me her ways.

      Hexenbiests have many tricks
      Apparently plastic surgery is one of them.


      Extreme plastic surgery.

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    • QuinnHeartly wrote:

      Bob the Wikipedian wrote:

      PDXBlazer wrote:

      QuinnHeartly wrote:

      ...How on earth does [Renard's mother] look so young?! o.O She has to teach me her ways.

      Hexenbiests have many tricks
      Apparently plastic surgery is one of them.


      Extreme plastic surgery.

      Well, "work" doesn't necessarily mean plastic surgery. This is Grimm, after all. I wouldn't be surprised if she ate some poor virgin's heart for eternal youth or something (that'd be an ordeal... they seem hard to come by in American television). I'm sure there's a logical Hexenbiest explanation for all this, let's not jump straight to reality and science here.

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    • Roacher27 wrote:

      QuinnHeartly wrote:

      Bob the Wikipedian wrote:

      PDXBlazer wrote:


      QuinnHeartly wrote:
      ...How on earth does [Renard's mother] look so young?! o.O She has to teach me her ways.
      Hexenbiests have many tricks
      Apparently plastic surgery is one of them.

      Extreme plastic surgery.

      Well, "work" doesn't necessarily mean plastic surgery. This is Grimm, after all. I wouldn't be surprised if she ate some poor virgin's heart for eternal youth or something (that'd be an ordeal... they seem hard to come by in American television). I'm sure there's a logical Hexenbiest explanation for all this, let's not jump straight to reality and science here.


      Of course, everyone knows that reality and science aren't real. Get your head out of the clouds and focus on magic, guys.

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    • I've decided that she had him when she was 12.  Because they come from the "old world" and that's just what they do there.

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    • 68.5.45.242 wrote:
      I've decided that she had him when she was 12.  Because they come from the "old world" and that's just what they do there.

      Remember shes a hexenbeist judging by what she did during the first minute of the show

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    • JEK
      DreamwalkerOfTheDreamscape wrote:
      Roacher27 wrote:

      QuinnHeartly wrote:


      Bob the Wikipedian wrote:

      PDXBlazer wrote:



      QuinnHeartly wrote:
      ...How on earth does [Renard's mother] look so young?! o.O She has to teach me her ways.
      Hexenbiests have many tricks
      Apparently plastic surgery is one of them.

      Extreme plastic surgery.
      Well, "work" doesn't necessarily mean plastic surgery. This is Grimm, after all. I wouldn't be surprised if she ate some poor virgin's heart for eternal youth or something (that'd be an ordeal... they seem hard to come by in American television). I'm sure there's a logical Hexenbiest explanation for all this, let's not jump straight to reality and science here.

      Of course, everyone knows that reality and science aren't real. Get your head out of the clouds and focus on magic, guys.

      Clearly. I mean, these dreamers. Don't even know how the world functions with people like this in it. Don't they realise that "Magic did it" is the answer to all questions?

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    • 68.5.45.242 wrote: I've decided that she had him when she was 12.  Because they come from the "old world" and that's just what they do there.

      Good point. Back in the Middle Ages, if a prince snuck a serving lass up to his room, it didn't matter to him how old she was, just that she gave him a good time and kept quiet about it.

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    • I wonder how old she was when she escaped?

      But remember, she's "had work done"

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    • Bob the Wikipedian wrote:

      68.5.45.242 wrote: I've decided that she had him when she was 12.  Because they come from the "old world" and that's just what they do there.

      Good point. Back in the Middle Ages, if a prince snuck a serving lass up to his room, it didn't matter to him how old she was, just that she gave him a good time and kept quiet about it.

      XDD If it truly would, I'd be a tenfold mother by now XDD

      No no, 'I believe it's magic', just like the song said ;-))

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