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  • So this is how i'm going to rationalize the Grimm team creating two Jaguar Wesen: The Balam is a Black Jaguar (also known as a Black Panther) Whereas the Yaguarate is the regular golden-furred variant. As a side note, the golden furred cat that Nick guessed was a Balam in The Icy Touch may have actually been a Yaguarate. Feel free to post your thoughts on this.

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    • That maybe possible

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    • Don't forget the white panther dude during Stories We Tell Our Young, he was a different kind of Wesen apparently.

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    • TheGhostMan wrote:
      Don't forget the white panther dude during Stories We Tell Our Young, he was a different kind of Wesen apparently.

      Nice. The Pflichttreue probably is a White Jaguar, but due to the show referring to it as a White Panther, we can't be certain, as the term Panther can be applied to any large spotted cat, not just Jaguars. So the Pflichttreue could be a White Leopard or White Jaguar.

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    • really he was a white panther? he looked more like a snow leopard to me.

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    • 98.235.154.24 wrote:
      really he was a white panther? he looked more like a snow leopard to me.

      A lot of us thought the same thing before the Grimm Guide said it was a White Panther. I guess the Grimm team just wanted to be difficult.

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    • "Panther" is a generic word that doesn't refer to any specific animal-- rather, it refers to any of the big cats.

      It could refer to any of the following:

      • Lion
      • Tiger
      • Jaguar
      • Leopard
      • Puma
      • Snow leopard
      • Clouded leopard

      Black panther and white panther are not a specific species, but refer to melanistic and albino panthers, though white panther can also refer to the snow leopard.

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    • Side note; the Pflichttreue has green eyes...among all the panthers, only the snow leopards have green eyes.

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    • ...the golden furred cat that Nick guessed was a Balam in The Icy Touch may have actually been a Yaguarate...

      Absolutely!

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    • Bob the Wikipedian wrote:
      Side note; the Pflichttreue has green eyes...among all the panthers, only the snow leopards have green eyes.

      This is why we need to have an animal expert on the show. We could have had a snow leopard, but NOOO, they gave us an animal that doesn't exist: an albino panther (we don't even know the specific species) with green eyes (something that only happens with snow leopards) and black spots (which coulddn't happen with an albino, as albinism is the lack of any pigment, although you could argue that it has the same condition as white tigers, where they are only missing the base color of the fur and retaining the color for any markings).

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    • Bob the Wikipedian wrote:
      "Panther" is a generic word that doesn't refer to any specific animal-- rather, it refers to any of the big cats.

      It could refer to any of the following:

      • Lion
      • Tiger
      • Jaguar
      • Leopard
      • Puma
      • Snow leopard
      • Clouded leopard

      Black panther and white panther are not a specific species, but refer to melanistic and albino panthers, though white panther can also refer to the snow leopard.

      I wonder if Wesen have a name for members of their own species who display variations in color. Like how Freddie was a grey fox, while every other Fuchsbau we have seen has been a red fox.

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    • I agree with you, Grimm King; IT SHOULD BE AN EXPERT ZOOLOGISTIN THE SHOW or maybe a whole departament...also they need linguist..sometimes I feel they just use google translate to translate the names ...I mean, look at the Skalenzahne.


      buuut, I thi Freddie was just as red as the other Fuchsbau

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    • Balam are based on the mythological creature of the same name, Yaguarete are based on jaguars. A similar difference can be made between Taureus Armenta and Mordstier, one is based on the Minotaur, the other on a bull.

      That's the way I see it at least.

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    • New-newby wrote:
      I agree with you, Grimm King; IT SHOULD BE AN EXPERT ZOOLOGISTIN THE SHOW or maybe a whole departament...also they need linguist..sometimes I feel they just use google translate to translate the names ...I mean, look at the Skalenzahne.


      buuut, I thi Freddie was just as red as the other Fuchsbau

      Picture 2

      This is red to you?

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    • I must be color blind, because it looks like a orangy red to me

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    • I see the same

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    • New-newby wrote: I agree with you, Grimm King; IT SHOULD BE AN EXPERT ZOOLOGISTIN THE SHOW or maybe a whole departament...also they need linguist..sometimes I feel they just use google translate to translate the names ...I mean, look at the Skalenzahne.

      Lol...Hazy Mill probably is on a budget that doesn't allow for staffing a team of zoologists or linguists.

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    • True, but still they should at least try a little better

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    • Honestly, they're getting too many Wesen types already

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    • There are a lot in the world

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    • Again PDXBlazer - (airport B-ball, nice touch), the amount they have in the Portland area already is starting to strain the "suspend the disbelief" already

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    • LCD2YOU wrote:
      Again PDXBlazer - (airport B-ball, nice touch), the amount they have in the Portland area already is starting to strain the "suspend the disbelief" already

      Well there has to be a reason for the unofficial motto of Portland -  Keeping Portland Weird.

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    • Well really there's only been like 100 people out of over 600,000 who have been Wesen and not all of them are Portland natives.

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    • Not really PDX. There have been several hundred Wesen Nick has met (or through association like the families of the Eisbeibers or the street gang) and he certainly hasn't met all 600k that live in the area

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    • A couple hundred is still a small percentage of 600k

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    • True PDX, still, it's a lot for the number of regualr humans he's met

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    • LCD2YOU wrote:
      True PDX, still, it's a lot for the number of regualr humans he's met

      If you count them there are loads of regular humans, - most of the Police force, Juliette's friends from Portland, most witnesses to crimes, the medical staff. Apart from episodes like the last two the overwhelming majority of beings he meets are normal humans.

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    • LCD2YOU wrote:
      True PDX, still, it's a lot for the number of regualr humans he's met


      It's like a 4:1 ratio of the humans in the show vs Wesen without counting their families and that's still a small sample size. Obviously the show only focuses on the crimes and stories where a Wesen is involved somehow, otherwise the show would be a typical cop show

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    • PDXBlazer wrote:
      LCD2YOU wrote:

      It's like a 4:1 ratio of the humans in the show vs Wesen without counting their families and that's still a small sample size. Obviously the show only focuses on the crimes and stories where a Wesen is involved somehow, otherwise the show would be a typical cop show

      That is the best explaination to date

      Still, I hope they have more "single user" Wesen, then many more "extended families"

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    • The Balam is actually purple, which I find strange. Jaguars don't come in purple. I suppose one is a regular Jaguar-like Wesen and the other is a purple morph that has evolved into a seperate species (not sure if Wesen are species). There has yet to be a black panther (which could be a Jaguar or Leopard). The Pflichttreue appears to be a Snow Leoaprd Wesen. However, Jaguars do come in a very rare white morph. But, the Pflichttreue appears to be a Snow Leopard Wesen. A Snow Leopard is not considered to be a "panther", so I think the description needs to be changed. Tigers, Lions, Leopard and Jaguars are the only true panthers from the felid genus Panthera.

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    • It seems as though Wesen commit many more crimes than humans do. Also, it appears as if in the Grimm world that 75% of humans are actually Wesen. There are many people we don't know are Wesen or not, so that may not be a very fair estimate.

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    • 172.7.244.188 wrote:
      It seems as though Wesen commit many more crimes than humans do. Also, it appears as if in the Grimm world that 75% of humans are actually Wesen. There are many people we don't know are Wesen or not, so that may not be a very fair estimate.

      You have to assume that the police have cases off camera where humans are only involved, but since this is Grimm, they have to show the ones involving Wesen, so it isn't a regular police drama

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    • Most detectives have multiple cases at any time, and the some take months or years to solve, not just a few days as depicted in the show.

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    • Dragonfighter1 wrote:
      Most detectives have multiple cases at any time, and the some take months or years to solve, not just a few days as depicted in the show.

      To be fair, Grimm Lampshades that fact, but it seems to be Wesen caused crimes that Nick and Hank solve the fatest. There are times when there was a crime that had been going on for months that they "catch a break on"

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    • 172.7.244.188 wrote: Tigers, Lions, Leopard and Jaguars are the only true panthers from the felid genus Panthera.

      And poison dart frogs aren't toads.

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    • Clouded leopards and pumas are not panthers. Panthers include any species in the genus "Panthera," which includes snow leopards.

      In terms of the Jaguars, I'd assume that one of the above posters is correct, and that the Yaguarate are based specifically upon Jaguars, while Balam are based on the mythological were-jaguar creatures of mesoamerican myth.

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    • as far as I know, mythological Balam were'nt were-jaguars, but spirits shaped like jaguars.

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    • Funny Fact: The names of nearly all Vessens are German.(I mean Vessen is also related to the german word "Wesen" (means "Creature"). Here's where the fun starts: In the german Version of Grimm (lipsynched and such) the german names for the spiecies are also "translated" "Löwen" (german for Lion) becomes "Löwenzahn" (means dandelion)...

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    • Actually, Löwenzahn doesn't literally mean "dandelion"-- it would be more accurate to say that the German name for the Löwen and for the dandelion both translate as "lion's tooth". Not only does this retain the ferocity of the Löwen, but it also gives the dandelion a completely different connotation-- a ferocious weed that attacks gardens and lawns (as opposed to the "dandy lion" connotation, which makes it sound beautiful). In my opinion, "lion's tooth" is a MUCH better name than "dandelion"...we should rename the weed in the English tongue!

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    • curiously, dandelion in spanish is called "diente de león" which also means "lion's tooth"...I wonder if only in english its called "dandy lion"

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    • Actually, dandelion comes from the French word for "lion's tooth".

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    • A Grimmster
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