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  • So far, these encountered wesen creatures are so weak against Nick. Their Rankings and Statuses are both way below him. Nick can overpower their strength single-handedly before, and now with human and wesen allies, and later with the augmented powers and durability caused by the aftermath of Nick being zombified...? I seriously doubt that many wesen will be able have the power to overpower him.

    Any food for thoughts?

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    • The only Wesen he couldn't hold on his own was a Siegbarste.

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    • It took him and his mom to deal with the Mauvais Dentes

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    • And almost all of wesen creatures are afraid of Nicky except for the Captain, right? Maybe the hollentier from El Cucuy was not afraid of Nick because he was too dumb to know the definition of afraid, eh? ^_^

      At least the wesen were all stunned at Nick's mention of the word "Grimm".

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    • No. The Höllentier, Renard, Adalind, Oleg Stark, and a few others weren't scared of him.

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    • Least they were stunned, from zero to a bit, then they quickly regained stediness and were not scared anymore. I think these wesen are higher ranks. Lower ranks need to be reassured to not scared of him (ranks... speaking in gaming language).

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    • El Cucuy herself was not scared of Nick, she just reverted and said "Oh you're a Grimm."

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    • Surely the Reapers are the Wesen equivalents, since they hunt and kill Grimms.

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    • Dragonfighter1 wrote:
      Surely the Reapers are the Wesen equivalents, since they hunt and kill Grimms.

      Then maybe they should have sent three or four... Or as of now, seeing Nick's current condition, sent ten of them (do they have that many Reapers to spare at a time?).

      In case anyone forgot, Nick took down two Reapers, single-handedly, without the Zombie Augmentations! Then he sent their heads back to the sender as a mock and warning.

      No. I don't think Reapers are equivalent to Nick anymore. Equivalent to Grimms in general, maybe, but not Nick. Not anymore.

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    • Dragonfighter1 wrote:
      El Cucuy herself was not scared of Nick, she just reverted and said "Oh you're a Grimm."

      Okay, some of the wesen are not afraid of Nick, but it was surely glad to see those wesen delinquents' react infront of him. See the latest episode? That girlfriend (forgot her name), being uncooperative, then look at her reaction when facing Nick's layer 2. That was priceless.

      Also, there was Joe. Now that was really comical: After getting beatdowned by Juliette (post-woge!) he faced with flash-recovered Nick. Look at Joe's face! Got no idea a *Grimm* is actually *protecting* his wife?

      Also, that wendigo, those coyotls... just a pity that gang members didn't get a chance to experience the extreme fear of facing the Grimmgod, as they are too busy getting killed by the *police* <scoff>.

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    • I'm not sure about the stenght of Grimms, I always thought it was just enhanced fighting skills that they poses

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    • New-newby wrote:
      I'm not sure about the stenght of Grimms, I always thought it was just enhanced fighting skills that they poses

      Come on. Did you see Nick battling the Krampus? At first he was just punching and kicking him, but only caused a brief pain. Then the Krampus put Nick in a choke-hold situation, and Nick went zombiefied and WHAM! One punch in the face and the Krampus goes unconscious until he de-woged. Tell me about "not sure about the strength of Grimms".

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    • Harbinger3781 wrote:

      Then maybe they should have sent three or four... Or as of now, seeing Nick's current condition, sent ten of them (do they have that many Reapers to spare at a time?).

      In case anyone forgot, Nick took down two Reapers, single-handedly, without the Zombie Augmentations! Then he sent their heads back to the sender as a mock and warning. ...

      ähh... sorry, but he personally brought down only one of them. The second one was beheaded accidentally by his partner...

      But Nick stood his ground against two at a time, that was amazing for sure ^^

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    • And Joe did knock Nick down, if he had been a reaper that would have been curtains for Nick.

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    • Dragonfighter1 wrote:
      And Joe did knock Nick down, if he had been a reaper that would have been curtains for Nick.

      Not this time, I think. If he'd been a reaper Nick would smell his approach a thousand miles. Sure, if Joe'd been a reaper it may be curtains down for all. But the most troubling issue would be, if Nick chopped off Joe's head, how would he explain to Alicia the Fuchsbau? "He's the same Nick she see every day"? Well, got a body here that says otherwise.

      Thoughts?

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    • XD maybe she would've been glad to get rid of Joe. But only after a serious nervous breakdown... ^^°

      yea well, I guess Nicky was distracted, but I think he would've noticed nonetheless really hostile Wesen like Reapers. Like in the Krampus-Episode. Many Santas around but he walks straight to the Wesen. What was it again? A Lausenschlange? Not a very friendly one...

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    • He was a Schakal.

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    • Grimmival wrote:
      He was a Schakal.

      Same as Adolph Hitler, the so-called Führer?

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    • That was what he called himself, yes... may he rest in hell

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    • He struggled for the most part 1 on 1 with Wildesheer, so I guess them

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    • I disagree, because once their hair was cut they were down. The Wildesheer seemed to only have two modes: Fighting at high level and dead. 

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    • Yeah, but he only had a chance to cut the hair because Monroe and Bart were there. He was getting the crap beat out of him overall.

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    • Different definition of "equivalent" I was interpreted the word to include the variety of techniques and methods used by Nick, not just who would win in a stand up face to face fight.

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    • Krampus wasn't afraid of Nick.

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    • Kidfight wrote: Krampus wasn't afraid of Nick.

      To be fair, Krampus doesn't seem to have ever been documented by Grimms, so Krampus probably had no reason to fear Nick at all. Probably just assumed he was a usual threat.

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    • Supertoastfairy wrote:

      Kidfight wrote: Krampus wasn't afraid of Nick.

      To be fair, Krampus doesn't seem to have ever been documented by Grimms, so Krampus probably had no reason to fear Nick at all. Probably just assumed he was a usual threat.

      Also his woge was different for two reasons: 1) He only woged at a particular time of year;2) He had no memory of his actions while he was woged. This suggests that any memories Krampus has would also be forgotten and there would be no chance for a group meeting to inform the others of the threat.

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    • volcanalis

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    • wildesheer can only defeat a grimm while wearing their scalp jackets, and one on one, without any interference, he probably would have eventually won that fight... 

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    • There are several that can go toe to toe with the Grimm. There was the assassin that came for him in his home that his mother eventually killed... he was definitely no match for that chick with the powers of seduction... the baron cracher mortel... Jinnamuru Xunte gave him a hard time... Many of them have no fear of grimms but the only one I see him never being able to defeat on his own, no matter how many fights they have would probably be volcanalis... The best they could do as a group was freeze him.

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    • 108.71.146.167 wrote:
      There are several that can go toe to toe with the Grimm. There was the assassin that came for him in his home that his mother eventually killed... he was definitely no match for that chick with the powers of seduction... the baron cracher mortel... Jinnamuru Xunte gave him a hard time... Many of them have no fear of grimms but the only one I see him never being able to defeat on his own, no matter how many fights they have would probably be volcanalis... The best they could do as a group was freeze him.

      Higher ranks wesen are appearing to confront Nick, or the other way. I can't shake the feeling something big is happening. True, I started this topic, but that was before all these happened - C-M, the Gelumcaedus, the Krampus, the Grausen and Wildesheer and Aswang... It's like playing a video game at around 30% completion, with more powerful enemies at every turn.

      And a few additions to the quote:

      1. The assassin may still be killed by Nick without her mother showing up - he's already in a rage mode, and back then it looked like Nick's got the upper hand, so... 

      2. Baron and JX may have chemical WMDs, but I guess in the end they all ended up killed by their own creation. it's like "hard time with a chance of augmentation".

      3. And volcanalis... I don't think he's qualified in the "wesen" ranks, but more like in the "demon" ranks.

      Thoughts?

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      El Cucuy said (Word for word)  "You're a Grimm.  I should've known".  She is showing no fear to Nick, and she also remains perfectly calm when they put her in the police car

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    • El Cucuy said (Word for word) "You're a Grimm. I should've known". She is showing no fear to Nick, and she also remains perfectly calm when they put her in the police car.

      Not fear, more weariness. El Cucuy was clearly a strong wesen, so its not unreasonable. At the same time Grimms are powerful, so being weary is a perfect reasonable. Daemonfuer don't seem to fear Grimm's either, instead they seem to respect them. Same thing applies to them.

      As for her, she wouldn't be afraid if Nick took her in, as it would have been clear to her at that point he wasn't going to try and kill her. And there was no way they could charge her.

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    • I compiled a list of Wesen that gave Nick a hard time: Siegbarste: They don't fear Grimms, and are incredibly difficult to kill. What I'm curious about is if Nick, with his super zombie powers, were to fight a Siegbarste, and be prepared, unlike his first encounter, would he gain the upper hand? I would say yes, but it would be difficult.

      Skalenzahne: They are some of the most powerful Wesen, but with his zombie powers, I doubt they would last long.

      Mauvais Dentes: If Nick's mom had'nt shown up, I think Nick would be dead. I think he has a better chance if he fought one in his current condition.

      Nuckelavee: Again, they seemed even, but Nick would do better with is PTZD.

      Königschlange: Nick could kill one, but with their quick reactions, I think they would be even.

      Krampus: They're just about even, but without zombie powers Nick would be dead.

      Wildesheer: Definitely equivalent to Nick. If Nick were alone, he would be dead. If he had no zombie powers, then he would not have stood any chance. So, I think the Wildesheer is on the top of the list.

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    • Looks like more are to come. Don't know what Adalind Jr. would grow up to be.

      Lots of excitements in the coming episodes.

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    • I would add Daemonfuer to that list (or atleast Male Daemonfuer). But appart from that I agree. I don't know about Siegbarste, probably not, those ogres were pretty much king of the beasts in the grimm world.

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    • General MGD 109 wrote:
      I would add Daemonfuer to that list (or atleast Male Daemonfuer). But appart from that I agree. I don't know about Siegbarste, probably not, those ogres were pretty much king of the beasts in the grimm world.

      ...and yet one was the slave-ish of a Lowen...

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    • Was it? The most recent episode hasn't aired yet where I live. Do you mind if we suspend this discussion till after I've seen it?

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    • Grimmival wrote:
      Wildesheer: Definitely equivalent to Nick. If Nick were alone, he would be dead. If he had no zombie powers, then he would not have stood any chance. So, I think the Wildesheer is on the top of the list.

      But Nick wasn't exactly in PTZD-mode...

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    • General MGD 109 wrote:
      Was it? The most recent episode hasn't aired yet where I live. Do you mind if we suspend this discussion till after I've seen it?

      by  the way, I was talking about "The Show Must Go On"

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    • Well, Wildesheers vs Nick are like - 

      One-on-one: Maybe, their combat stats are very close, so perhaps Nick can hold out for one W for quite a long time.

      One-on-one (PTZD): Better chances, maybe the Nick's PTZD augmentation powers would offer greater strength, speed, and durability, so maybe Nick would be more likey to defeat the W.

      Two-on-one: Barely, we seen Nick getting hammered by the Ws, and maybe it's lucky that Nick finally dodged one of the W's attack and managed to cut off the hair, but I guess, the credit should mostly go to Bart.

      Two-on-one (PTZD): Never witnessed, but perhaps with PTZD augmentation powers Nick can better dodge and travel to the Ws' back to cut their weakness. But maybe with Krampus-neutralizing punch, maybe he can knock the Ws' out before he cut their hair.

      Three-on-one: Highly unlikely to hold out, not with Nick's current ranks and abilities.

      Three-on-one (PTZD): Better chance, but the odds are still not in his favor.

      Four-on-one: Not even a chance.

      (You guys can fill out the rest)

      Come on, Wildesheers are this powerful for a reason, okay? They are pure combat-type wesen, and they strengthen themselves by defeating powerful enemies (kinda reminds us of the combat alien race in Dragonball, eh?) and as the harbinger of something of a deep impact, they got to have something packed, right? They (I'll use Warcraft language now) are using Chaos Attacks (a fitting name, right?), which does full damage to all types of enemy armors. And their cloaks, they are like the Divine Armors - significantly reduces all other types of damages, only take full hit from Chaos Attacks, which Nick and Monroe clearly don't have.

      With packed abilities that powerful, it's no surprise that they can challenge Nick hean-on. Thoughts?

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    • Okay, Now I've caught up, can I point out said Lowen also had a siegbarste working for him, was clearly controlling them finacially, and it was that Daemonfuer you mentioned that actually ended up killing him in the end. As I stand by my belief there amognst the most dangerous.

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    • The psychological make up of each type of wessen is also a contributing factor in the fighting skills they possess. Lowen are competative, controling and have horrible tempers this being a tactical weakness. Grimms are thoughtful and inteligent so are able to outhink them as Nick has demonstrated frequently.

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    • Hexenbiest are the equalivant to Grimms. 

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    • KnocknickKnock wrote: Hexenbiest are the equalivant to Grimms. 

      Nah, majority of them seem to weak.

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    • General MGD 109 wrote:

      KnocknickKnock wrote: Hexenbiest are the equalivant to Grimms. 

      Nah, majority of them seem to weak.

      Like who? Adalind was breaking bones and Juilette was throwing around Nick like crazy. Not to mention Elezibeth was able to bring back Renard from the verge of death. 

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    • KnocknickKnock wrote: Like who? Adalind was breaking bones and Juilette was throwing around Nick like crazy. Not to mention Elezibeth was able to bring back Renard from the verge of death. 

      Not the verge, actually dead.

      Don't get me wrong, stronger Hexenbiests (like Elizabeth, Diana and Eve) are really strong.

      But lets take a look at the majority. Adalind is the most recurring Hexenbiest, and Nick beat her almost effortlessly back when he was still learning the ropes.

      Sure she managed to snap that guys fingers, but that clearly wasn't intentional. It seems when you regain your powers they come back strong and out of control (it happened when she started to regain her powers the first time in Season 3, and it happened to Nick in season 4).

      Catherine her mother was also beaten by Kelly.

      Frau Perch was strangled by an ordinary man.

      Those two Hexenbiests in season one where hardly that difficult to kill.

      And Henrietta was murdered by Jack the Ripper.

      Power Hexenbiests have a lot of power, but regular Hexenbiests are still a lot weaker.

      Now Zauberbiests might just be a different story.

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    • Dämonfeuer (an elderly sick one gave Nick a very hard time)

      Mauvais Dentes (Needed 2 Grimms to take down)

      Excandesco (Can't even get near)

      Wildesheer (no explanation needed)

      Matança Zumbido (without ear paste, would be electrocuted)

      Koschie (radioactive touch, plus pretty strong and insanely hard to kill)

      Huntha Lami Muuaji (acidic touch)

      Vulpesmyrca (almost killed nick)

      Siegbarste (Oleg would have killed Nick if Juliette hadn't come with the clutch save)

      That's about it.

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    • We also have to keep in account that when Nick faced off with the Siegbarste and Dämonfeuer, he wasn't as strong and good at fighting as he is today. I'm sure he would have trouble with them, but probably stand a better chance than he did back then.

      Now with Hexenbiests, those like Adalind and her mother were not as practiced, so were weaker. However, Hexenbiests like Elizabeth, Diana, and Juliette, are probably much more than a match for Nick.

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    • True, but the fact that a Dämonfeuer close to his deathbed gave Nick, a young man with all his faculties trained to fight in hand to hand combat as a police officer, plus with enhanced speed and strength, such a hard fight is a pretty good indication of how strong Dämonfeuer as a species are. My money's on the dragon.

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    • I Don't think Nick could have taken the Manticoe. What defense whould he have against the tail. If he put his strength to stop the tail, the manticor hits him with his fist. 

      Also he was not scared of Nick he was hunting Nick. 

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    • General MGD 109 wrote:

      KnocknickKnock wrote: Like who? Adalind was breaking bones and Juilette was throwing around Nick like crazy. Not to mention Elezibeth was able to bring back Renard from the verge of death. 

      Not the verge, actually dead.

      Don't get me wrong, stronger Hexenbiests (like Elizabeth, Diana and Eve) are really strong.

      But lets take a look at the majority. Adalind is the most recurring Hexenbiest, and Nick beat her almost effortlessly back when he was still learning the ropes.

      Sure she managed to snap that guys fingers, but that clearly wasn't intentional. It seems when you regain your powers they come back strong and out of control (it happened when she started to regain her powers the first time in Season 3, and it happened to Nick in season 4).

      Catherine her mother was also beaten by Kelly.

      Frau Perch was strangled by an ordinary man.

      Those two Hexenbiests in season one where hardly that difficult to kill.

      And Henrietta was murdered by Jack the Ripper.

      Power Hexenbiests have a lot of power, but regular Hexenbiests are still a lot weaker.

      Now Zauberbiests might just be a different story.


      Only way Nick could compete with Adalind was in Hand to Hand combat. Adalind never used any other power against Nick, same with Catherine against Kelly. What I am talking about is overall power. The fight would have ended totally different had Adalind used her powers. 

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    • Grimm King wrote: True, but the fact that a Dämonfeuer close to his deathbed gave Nick, a young man with all his faculties trained to fight in hand to hand combat as a police officer, plus with enhanced speed and strength, such a hard fight is a pretty good indication of how strong Dämonfeuer as a species are. My money's on the dragon.

      Yeah mine to. It would be close at least.

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    • KnocknickKnock wrote: Only way Nick could compete with Adalind was in Hand to Hand combat. Adalind never used any other power against Nick, same with Catherine against Kelly. What I am talking about is overall power. The fight would have ended totally different had Adalind used her powers. 

      Yeah I'm not so sure it would be. Now more powerful Hexenbiest's sure.

      But neither Catherine or Adalind ever really demonstrated much raw power. Adalind's greatest feats of power where accidents that occurred outside of her control.

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    • the fly thing that can blind you may of kiled him if it was 1 on 1

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    • I’d say Damonfeuer are at least in the top 10 of most dangerous Wesen as 1. Contrary to popular belief they can breathe fire rapidly without coughing up fat as shown in season 4s “The Show Must Go On” and 2. An elderly and sickly Damonfeuer gave Nick a real run for his money back in season 1 and even knocked him down a few times.

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    • A Grimmster
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