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  • A Grimmster 177.35.41.207

    Or maybe everyone died but Trubel (well, Trubel died but was de-murdered), Diana and Kelly, and everything from 36:59 onward is just Nick's hallucination. For all we know, Diana is a female Zerstörer and turned evil by the 18th minute, so hell on Earth still happens unless Trubel somehow manages to kill her. Nick was hallucinating from 29:26 onward, so even the Zerstörung of the Zerstörer could be all a big hallucination in Nick's head. Think about it: they couldn't harm the Zerstörer before, then off the sudden Trubel's blade is making him bleed??? When Nick dropped the stick, Zerstörer couldn't pick it up without something bad happening to him (same with Trubel) and when Zerstörer dropped the staff, Rosalie and Monroe couldn't grab it without being zerstörten either... but when Zerstörer drops the staff and Nick picks it up, it is Zerstörer who gets zerstört and nothing happens to Nick? (Unless Nick tricked Zerstörer into binding the staff to the stick so that either of them could pick one another's "half" and take it all? But then again, Zerstörer only dropped it because he was stabbed by a hallucination...) And why did Nick get sucked into the Zerstörer Vortex rather than just poke Team Nick and the precinct back to life? (And while he was at it, poke Kelly Senior, aunt Marie, Meisner and the trailer as well?) And in the ending, JuliEve is a Hexenbiest again for no reason? Just like that?

    My guess is that it all depends on the viewer's interpretation. Would you rather believe that they are a separate timeline, that they are a hallucination or that Nick time-travelled and Trubel just popped up out of nowhere a few hours before she arrived in Zerstörer Shrugged? Do you prefer the Zerstörer shrugged by a foursome Grimm combo or conquering the world and unifying the two realms (in that they are both Hell now)?


    P.S.: if someone cannot spell "Zerstörer" with the Umlaut (e.g. because they don't have Umlaut on their keyboard), the next correct spelling is "Zerstoerer" (with oe), NOT "Zerstorer".


    Vorherrscher
    

    In my opinion, it was a Schrödinger's cat like thing. There were 2 dimensions, where Zerstörer went through, and the other he did not. Zerstörer Shrugged was the dimension Zerstörer went through, and the part when Nick went through the portal from the remains of Zerstörer was the dimension that it did not go through.

    This idea was from Sean's Russian friend that told about Schrödinger's cat.


    OnePieceNation
    

    I say he went back in time through the portal and he was merged with his previous self and gained the staff, while Adalind lost the ring and Diana gained memories from the alternative timeline.

    Or everybody died but Trubel and Bud and they are now a wesen fighting duo. And Nick lives in a dream but that would be fucking cringy anyway I really missed the Bud in the ending.

    Also I don't think any realms were unified the mirror dimension still exists, but now without a Zerstorer (yes I wrote it that way) making it a bit more safe.


    BlueOtter
    

    Not time travel. Not dream. Not illusion. As Vorherrscher states, it's Schrödinger's cat phenomenon (mentioned in E11). Basically, Nick (& Diana) jumped across realities. From the bleak dimension where everyone is dead to the happy one. The staff with the stick allows changing/rewriting destinies, similar to that famous spear. Or, maybe, it is that artifact, and the cloth is a piece of the burial shroud.


    Secret Grimm
    

    Wrote this last night and posted it on "The End" thread but reading this thread it is worth adding another view.


    [Just re-watched "Zerstorer Shrugged" and when Nick and Eve came back through the mirror she left her Hexenbiest self on the other side. This seems to indicate that Zerstorer could induce illusions as Bonaparte did only much more intricately and did so while they were in transit between worlds. This is why Diana and Eve were confused when she could feel Eve's Hexenbiest back because Diana was aware of the illusion at the same time as she can do them too. Eve was not aware of the illusion with them because it was Zerstorer's illusion for Nick. The illusion only lasted during the time it took for them to transition home and Zerstorer was left as dust in the transition/illusion while Nick and Eve came through with the staff. Eve was transitioning through at the same time but was not aware of the illusion which was condensed time between the two worlds and Nick's Mom and Aunt could appear there. It was in Nick's mind/reality and Zerstore's reality but not in Eve's. Truble was brought into it by Nick's mom and Aunt when they fought him as she is part of the family and has Grimm blood. So all of the "The End" except the last part happened in the transition between worlds and Zerstorer did mot set foot in this world.

    I may or may not be right but it is my interpretation.

    Was waiting for the prevue for next week then realized...]

    The staff was in the weapons closet in the new trailer and the kids took it with them. The staff is more powerful than any or all of them and dates back through antiquity. It belonged to Mosses, David and a few others.


    Secret Grimm
    

    Thank you, another clue that I noticed was the bats that Zerstorer directed at Nick and Eve when they were fighting just before they went into the vortex. The same bats started falling from the sky at the gas station where he came through the mirror. Then when Nick and Eve came through the second time at the end of the illusion it was identical except for the staff being there.Through "The end" eve was in the in between but not aware of it so her powers did not work They did when she realy came through.


    Secret Grimm
    

    Seems like Zerstorer was using Nick's thoughts to form the illusion. Must be able to read minds also, that would explain his reactions being so quick.

    Edit: I believe the bats are Hoary Bats as I found an injured one when working in a tree many years ago and brought it home. I tried to save it but should have taken it to a wild life rehab place.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=hoary+bat&hl=en&noj=1&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjJ-eKT24bTAhVDRyYKHe-bDQIQ_AUICCgB&biw=1252&bih=578


    A Grimmster 167.57.65.183
    

    If all has been a dream of Nick, why Eve firstly came back with him through the mirror , then she was waiting for Nick with all the gang?


    A Grimmster 167.57.65.183
    

    ...And if all has been a dream of Nick, how Zerstörer died?


    Secret Grimm
    

    reply to #17

    167.57.65.183 wrote: If all has been a dream of Nick, why Eve firstly came back with him through the mirror , then she was waiting for Nick with all the gang?

    When they came back through the mirror both times there was so much debris around them it was hard to pick out what was what.


    A Grimmster 108.228.57.237
    

    As other posters have mentioned, I think it is the cat theory where one side is dead while the other side is alive. It does not matter any more as long as there is barrier in between to make it happen. Zers and everyone else is dead except the ones alive before Nick went through the portal. Trubel did die but was ressurected. The one Nick is in right now is where everyone is alive even Zers but it is in the other world.


    A Grimmster 108.228.57.237
    

    To elaborate more on the Schrödinger's cat, it is basically saying that the two or more possibilities are happening. The cat for example, the cat hidden under a box where there is a 50/50 chances that it survives or dies. Since it is under the box with soundproof barriers, the observers wouldn't know which is why the cat is dead AND alive. It can be determined if the cat is dead or alive is when we open the box to know. Maybe this is the same thing where the observers are the watchers of the show. It is up to us whether the people there are alive or dead. To be alive, we watch the ending of the show where Nick reunites with everyone. To be dead, Nick gave the stick to Zers which lead to the end of the world where everyone dies there.


    A Grimmster 177.35.41.207 reply to #20 Secret Grimm wrote:

    177.35.41.207 wrote: Secret Grimm wrote: I would be very interested in other opinions and interpretations. The ones before mine are just as possible. Only the witers know for sure. Do they? Perhaps we will be filled in by the moderators when they have that information from the writers.

    Actually, that was intended as a rhetorical question. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if the answere turns out to be "no". It sort of spoils the whole "the ending is subjective" thing if the writers themselves have a definite answere (for then their interpretation would be regarded as the correct/official one). 18 hours ago


    Secret Grimm
    

    I have read some very good interpretations that are quite different than what I wrote so how each person sees it counts. Like the 5 blind men describing the Elephant.


    Brimmski
    

    It's the Schrödinger's cat theory is what happened. That's why the Russian friend's explanation was elaborate, since they used that in the end.

    It wasn't a dream or illusion to Nick, the fact that Diana knows what happened. Like when she told Eve you got your powers back this time, then she told Nick that "he" is dead and didn't come back with them.


    Episode 613 - "The End"

    Brimmski
    

    As what mama Kelly mentioned before about Diana has an extraordinary destiny about her but there was never anything about baby Kelly. Kelly was the "hybrid" that nobody saw.

    Everyone knows that Diana is the most powerful wesen (well except for the skull guy). But if by history and how the world of wesen is, Zauber/Hezenbeist are feared by all wesen and same as Grimms. So when you have a hybrid of both, technically you'd get the best of both worlds. Having both of them on the skull guy's side makes him unstopable.

    So the final battle will be at the cabin.

    Seriously who and how can this guy be stopped, no mortal wepon can do anything and Nick well, he's kinda useless really, I guess all wesen are. "Except" maybe Diana and Kelly.

    Maybe Nick can possibly manifest a power from the stick?!

    Hank and Wu dying! Damn didn't see that coming! As much as I would like them to survive, I hope they don't use to stick to resurect them, lets face it if that happens, no one will ever die! The interesting is that they are the only ones that were not "wesen/grimm" in the group amd I guess now Eve too. Wu was something different.


    Secret Grimm
    

    Zerstorer gets his power from the magic staff, get that away from him and he could become vulnerable. Only Nick could do that with the help of the stick that is a piece of the staff. Monroe said that it was broken into 100 pieces and the stick is the last one that will give the staff full power. Options are open after that as to what the stick and staff will turn who into.


    Brimmski
    

    Some Q&A with David.

    Looks like they are playing with time! I guess we could see Kelly grown up.

    http://tvline.com/2017/03/24/grimm-hank-wu-die-dead-season-6-episode-12/


    A Grimmster 5.147.160.217
    

    It would be totally unlogical if Nick does not even try to heal Hank and Wu with the Stick. Come on he is there and has the stick with him. Early in the episode they remebered us that the stick can heal (Nicks hand). So why not give them a second chance too. As a sideffect the healing could free Wu from his Wesen being.


    Secret Grimm
    

    I use a method to get more info from promo clips that sometimes works. This one has one place where there is a single frame with a wide view right after a close up that looks like a spoiler. Put the video on full screen and go through frame by frame and you will see it. You also can not depend on the scenes being in order.


    A Grimmster 108.46.200.213
    

    reply to #24 5.147.160.217 wrote: It would be totally unlogical if Nick does not even try to heal Hank and Wu with the Stick. Come on he is there and has the stick with him. Early in the episode they remebered us that the stick can heal (Nicks hand).

    So why not give them a second chance too. As a sideffect the healing could free Wu from his Wesen being.

    Nick also might be worried that Zerstörer takes the stick and adds it to staff to become unstoppable too.


    Secret Grimm
    

    "At the Spice Shop, Monroe (Silas Weir Mitchell), Rosalee (Bree Turner) and Eve (Bitsie Tulloch) search for answers and stumble upon a rare potion that may help the fight."


    A Grimmster 70.88.128.113
    

    reply to #32 WesenZoo wrote: ELEVEN teasers for the finale.

    Too bad there was no indication as to why Zerstorer is after Kelly as well as Diana. I sure hope he will show some sort of power. Perhaps the epilogue could, as I think some have suggested, focus on him as well as Diana, perhaps taking up their families' legacies.

    Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but when Nick and Zerstorer first met in the Mirror Dimension, didn't Zerstorer's eyes glow green when he (we assume) identified Nick as a Grimm? If so, it should be noted that last week in Diana's dream, Zerstorer's eyes glowed again when he set eyes on Kelly. That could be a telltale sign.


    A Grimmster 156.213.142.192
    

    dies anyone hae an idea on who these female companions might be ? 18:27, March 27, 2017 A Grimmster A Grimmster 156.213.142.192

    does ** 18:33, March 27, 2017


    Brimmski
    

    Nick could maybe halucinating and would see Aunt Marie an Mama Kelly. These are the only two people that are clear thinking, rational minded and kickass females that could inspire him. Edited by Brimmski 18:37, March 27, 2017


    A Grimmster 156.213.142.192
    

    reply to #37 Brimmski wrote: Nick could maybe halucinating and would see Aunt Marie an Mama Kelly. These are the only two people that are clear thinking, rational minded and kickass females that could inspire him.

    i guess AND maybe elizabeth is gonna come cuz other than that i have no idea who these kickass females might be


    Brimmski
    

    reply to #38 156.213.142.192 wrote: Brimmski wrote: Nick could maybe halucinating and would see Aunt Marie an Mama Kelly. These are the only two people that are clear thinking, rational minded and kickass females that could inspire him. i guess AND maybe elizabeth is gonna come cuz other than that i have no idea who these kickass females might be

    Ya but Elizabeth didn't really hangout with Nick long enough for her to be an inspiration. She could be there to help with the potion. I was thinking of the Daemonfuer lol.


    Brimmski
    

    reply to #39 Wu-niversalGrimm wrote: Not sure if anyone here has seen this version yet, just posted online today.


    Extended Promo

    Nice!

    Looks like the Wesen blood is from Monroe. They put Adalinds hand on top of Nick's hand just in case... lol. She's probably immune now by Nick's blood.

    Looks like Nick is checking out Monroe and Rosalee's body beside their car. The other body in the middle could be Trubel or Eve.

    Oh and that song is kinda creepy lol, its awesome.


    Brimmski
    

    reply to #31 104.14.164.101 wrote: What is the song that is playing in the background of the "Series Finale" promo

    Its a nursery rhyme called "A hunting we will go" but I like the Grimm version better lol.


    Brimmski
    

    reply to #46 Wu-niversalGrimm wrote: WesenZoo wrote: 3 sneak peeks Well that answers a couple of questions. Whether Nick tried using the stick on Wu and Hank or not. And also what was going on with the merging of blood. Certainly makes sense that in order to defeat the ultimate evil opposing forces need come together. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

    Love being able to see decent length clips a good amount of time before the episode airs, helps satisfy the crave.

    I also like lots of sneak peeks. Maybe the stick works but just not to dead people, cause that’s just too much then he could have resurrected EVERYONE! Maybe it heals but not resurrect, also may not work on humans, the two people Nick healed was a Blutbad and a Hexenbiest and of course himself.

    Its funny how everyone keep saying "I/we will need to kill this thing" haven't they noticed? The guy is unstopable! No mortal weapon will do damage.

    I'm curious why was he in the precint? He didn't kill Nick and he didn't take the stick from Nick esp if he "sense" it. Looks like there's no more police in Portland!


    Wu-niversalGrimm
    

    reply to #47 Brimmski wrote: Wu-niversalGrimm wrote: WesenZoo wrote: 3 sneak peeks Well that answers a couple of questions. Whether Nick tried using the stick on Wu and Hank or not. And also what was going on with the merging of blood. Certainly makes sense that in order to defeat the ultimate evil opposing forces need come together. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

    Love being able to see decent length clips a good amount of time before the episode airs, helps satisfy the crave. I also like lots of sneak peeks. Maybe the stick works but just not to dead people, cause that’s just too much then he could have resurrected EVERYONE! Maybe it heals but not resurrect, also may not work on humans, the two people Nick healed was a Blutbad and a Hexenbiest and of course himself.

    Its funny how everyone keep saying "I/we will need to kill this thing" haven't they noticed? The guy is unstopable! No mortal weapon will do damage.

    I'm curious why was he in the precint? He didn't kill Nick and he didn't take the stick from Nick esp if he "sense" it. Looks like there's no more police in Portland!

    I keep coming back to the idea that maybe the gang get ahold of the staff in the end and reunite the pieces. And with this great power that has been stated a few times includes the ability of raising the dead. I just feel it's a little odd to show death in the promo, takes away the dramatic surprise, so may be death isn't the end or isn't real at all.

    I've considered that maybe the spell/potion that is preformed might be a glamor of sorts. Especially with the ep picture of Eve face to face with Mr Glowing Eyes. Maybe the death of Monroe and possibly Adalind are an illusion of some sort to trick Zerstorer. It's just rather hard to believe that they'd kill them off, especially with Monroe set to be a father to triplets.

    I keep trying to figure out answers to why he'd go to the precinct but none of them make sense. He went there for Nick, he didn't do anything permanent to Nick so that doesnt work. He went to stop the police from interfering, but he doesn't care about police so that doesn't work. I think it was written this way to give a more epic scene for Wu and Hank to meet their fate.


    Brimmski
    

    reply to #49 Wu-niversalGrimm wrote: Brimmski wrote: Wu-niversalGrimm wrote: WesenZoo wrote: 3 sneak peeks Well that answers a couple of questions. Whether Nick tried using the stick on Wu and Hank or not. And also what was going on with the merging of blood. Certainly makes sense that in order to defeat the ultimate evil opposing forces need come together. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

    Love being able to see decent length clips a good amount of time before the episode airs, helps satisfy the crave. I also like lots of sneak peeks. Maybe the stick works but just not to dead people, cause that’s just too much then he could have resurrected EVERYONE! Maybe it heals but not resurrect, also may not work on humans, the two people Nick healed was a Blutbad and a Hexenbiest and of course himself. Its funny how everyone keep saying "I/we will need to kill this thing" haven't they noticed? The guy is unstopable! No mortal weapon will do damage.

    I'm curious why was he in the precint? He didn't kill Nick and he didn't take the stick from Nick esp if he "sense" it. Looks like there's no more police in Portland! I keep coming back to the idea that maybe the gang get ahold of the staff in the end and reunite the pieces. And with this great power that has been stated a few times includes the ability of raising the dead. I just feel it's a little odd to show death in the promo, takes away the dramatic surprise, so may be death isn't the end or isn't real at all.

    I've considered that maybe the spell/potion that is preformed might be a glamor of sorts. Especially with the ep picture of Eve face to face with Mr Glowing Eyes. Maybe the death of Monroe and possibly Adalind are an illusion of some sort to trick Zerstorer. It's just rather hard to believe that they'd kill them off, especially with Monroe set to be a father to triplets.

    I keep trying to figure out answers to why he'd go to the precinct but none of them make sense. He went there for Nick, he didn't do anything permanent to Nick so that doesnt work. He went to stop the police from interfering, but he doesn't care about police so that doesn't work. I think it was written this way to give a more epic scene for Wu and Hank to meet their fate.

    I also think that once Nick kills the skull guy and takes the stick, he might have the "power" to turn back time or something where no one dies. But I think that is BS, someone should die, this is Grimm after all.

    No doubt how Wu and Hank died was dramatic, shotting the guy with assault rifles and then when those high powered weapons didn't work Wu think he can stop him and Hank think by swing the rifle would do harm, not to mention Nick jumping towards him LOL. That was such a stupid setting. They had ZERO chance!


    Wu-niversalGrimm
    

    reply to #51 Brimmski wrote: Wu-niversalGrimm wrote: Brimmski wrote: Wu-niversalGrimm wrote: WesenZoo wrote: 3 sneak peeks I keep coming back to the idea that maybe the gang get ahold of the staff in the end and reunite the pieces. And with this great power that has been stated a few times includes the ability of raising the dead. I just feel it's a little odd to show death in the promo, takes away the dramatic surprise, so may be death isn't the end or isn't real at all.

    I've considered that maybe the spell/potion that is preformed might be a glamor of sorts. Especially with the ep picture of Eve face to face with Mr Glowing Eyes. Maybe the death of Monroe and possibly Adalind are an illusion of some sort to trick Zerstorer. It's just rather hard to believe that they'd kill them off, especially with Monroe set to be a father to triplets.

    I keep trying to figure out answers to why he'd go to the precinct but none of them make sense. He went there for Nick, he didn't do anything permanent to Nick so that doesnt work. He went to stop the police from interfering, but he doesn't care about police so that doesn't work. I think it was written this way to give a more epic scene for Wu and Hank to meet their fate. I also think that once Nick kills the skull guy and takes the stick, he might have the "power" to turn back time or something where no one dies. But I think that is BS, someone should die, this is Grimm after all.

    No doubt how Wu and Hank died was dramatic, shotting the guy with assault rifles and then when those high powered weapons didn't work Wu think he can stop him and Hank think by swing the rifle would do harm, not to mention Nick jumping towards him LOL. That was such a stupid setting. They had ZERO chance!

    I had also considered the possibility of time reversal, but I think that would be a bit much to cover in one episode. Im thinking that Wu and Hank are dead, no bringing them back. Because yes, bringing everyone back would be a bit too much and unrealistic.

    I did find it silly that Hank would empty another magazine at Zerstorer when the combined three didn't help previously. Of course it's to create the last stand imagery for Hank and give the moment of hope to viewers but a waste.

    I'm curious where the kids are, seeing as we only saw Diana once in the promo and sneak peeks. Maybe they will be a big part and they're keeping it hush hush for now.


    Brimmski
    

    I think since every Grimm fan wants to know about Kelly, they are not going to give us anything about him. For all we know, Kelly could maybe control time! But that's just too much power.


    Wu-niversalGrimm
    

    He's clearly wanted for something, it could just be to get the other sibling out of the way. If there is something special then we will either only see a glimpse of it or they may leave it as fuel for a potential spinoff. Though with the tease that we do see a new Grimm writing in a Grimm book, maybe that Grimm is Kelly.


    Wu-niversalGrimm
    

    So I just watched the extended promo again and noticed something. At 0:55 seconds when we see Nick with the 3 bodies outside the cabin, there are actually 4 bodies. Right before that clip ends, at the very bottom next to Nicks Toyota there is a pair of legs and hands that can be seen for a brief glimpse. The leg length indicates male and the color of the jacket the person is wearing is a mid dark blue. The same color that Sean is wearing.

    That's 4 out of the 7 remaining Grimm gang.


    Brimmski
    

    reply to #56 Wu-niversalGrimm wrote: So I just watched the extended promo again and noticed something. At 0:55 seconds when we see Nick with the 3 bodies outside the cabin, there are actually 4 bodies. Right before that clip ends, at the very bottom next to Nicks Toyota there is a pair of legs and hands that can be seen for a brief glimpse. The leg length indicates male and the color of the jacket the person is wearing is a mid dark blue. The same color that Sean is wearing.

    That's 4 out of the 7 remaining Grimm gang.

    You're right, good eye!

    Trubel is also wearing black so it could be her that died. Also Eve was also wearing black in some of the promo pics. Heck most of them are wearing dark clothing (theme of the show).

    I was able to print screen and zoom it and reference it to the image # 9 from the top. So it does seem like Sean.

    If you watch the trailer and some of the pics, Eve is not at the cabin with them, she was at the Spice Shop and face to face Zerstorer, most likely she was killed.

    So from how it looks, it could be Nick, Adalind, Diana and Kelly survives.

    On the other hand it could be just a nightmare/dream for Nick just like what happened to Diana!!

    I'm also good if Adalind and Nick AND Eve (if she gets her Hexenbiest back) will live happily ever after! Yes the three of them! :). Dark times they need to have some powerful offsprings! lol.


    Wu-niversalGrimm
    

    reply to #57 Brimmski

    You're right, good eye!

    Trubel is also wearing black so it could be her that died. Also Eve was also wearing black in some of the promo pics. Heck most of them are wearing dark clothing (theme of the show).

    I was able to print screen and zoom it and reference it to the image # 9 from the top. So it does seem like Sean.

    If you watch the trailer and some of the pics, Eve is not at the cabin with them, she was at the Spice Shop and face to face Zerstorer, most likely she was killed.

    So from how it looks, it could be Nick, Adalind, Diana and Kelly survives.

    On the other hand it could be just a nightmare/dream for Nick just like what happened to Diana!!

    I'm also good if Adalind and Nick AND Eve (if she gets her Hexenbiest back) will live happily ever after! Yes the three of them! :). Dark times they need to have some powerful offsprings! lol.

    I was wondering if Eve was at the cabin at all. No real need to have her though now that she's seemingly human again.

    I agree that Nick, Adalind and the kids surviving would be rather perfect. The chance to be a happy family. It would be sad if Diana and Kelly don't get to have the closeness to Monrosalee triplets that Nick and Adalind had with Monrosalee themselves. It'd be like having the next generation of Grimm. However Eve could definitely be the odd, unsure of herself aunt.


    New just posted clip.

    Finale First Minute


    Wu-niversalGrimm
    

    Seeing as Mama Kelly and Aunt Marie may be appearing in some way, I think it would be nice if Meisner also had a last hurrah, all hands on deck.

    WesenZoo
    

    These sneak peeks have me super excited for tomorrow, but at the same time, I'm not ready for the episode knowing that it is the final one. 3 days ago Wu-niversalGrimm Wu-niversalGrimm

    Agreed. Each one is more excitement inducing than the prior. I'm pretty sure it's really going to hit that that's it right after it's over and that'll be very saddening.

    Also, it almost seems like Diana is happy and welcoming when he arrives, different to her freak out before. I wonder if his presence has that effect on her in order to accept being his "child wife".


    Brimmski
    

    So I guess it was all Nick's fault carrying the stick around!

    Seems like Diana doesn't get affected with the staff's power.

    Where was Kelly? He was the only one not there, unless he's around the corner. 3 days ago Wu-niversalGrimm Wu-niversalGrimm

    Basically, he's been a walking, talking homing beacon.

    Either the staff doesn't affect her, or Zerstörer controls who it affects at his will.

    I'm guessing that yeah, that car seat is either just out of view or still in the cellar where Diana was supposed to be, not that that matters apparently. Mr Heroic Protagonist indeed 😄


    Brimmski
    

    So the Zerstörer has been "playing" with Nick, probably trying to break him. That's why he wasn't killed at the precinct, cause the Zerstörer could have gotten the stick already there, but then he left.

    So I guess after the precinct he will go to the Spice Shop then he will see Eve then there, then kill her, Nick will try to go there but it will be too late. Nick can't think straight anymore. Then Nick decides to go to the cabin, where everyone is, then bam jackpot for the Zerstörer!

    But then again the Zerstörer already appeared in Diana's dream so he knows where they are...

    I wonder what will Diana do once she sees the Zerstörer "killing" or harming everyone esp Sean and Adalind which she very protective, not that she can do really much.


    Also remember Monroe and the Russian girl talk about "heaven or hell" maybe that's where the others will go, specifically the wesen.


    Wu-niversalGrimm
    

    Kinda have to admire the irony there, he carris the stick to protect him and yet it does the opposite in the end.

    It really has all been a big game to him, a game well played. Everyone has done exactly what has been needed, silly humans.

    To be honest, it has been hinted at that Zerstörer has known where the stick is all along by Rosalee. In "Zerstörer Shrugged" she mentions when her, Monroe and Eve are taking about the staff that he is aware that Nick has it, it just takes a little more thought to come to the conclusion that he may always know where it is.

    I'm left wondering, was Zerstörer actually able to sense Diana also, or could they have left the stick in the tunnel (obviously not a good idea still)

    We really only see Diana once in the promo and then it's so about Kelly, I'm wondering if she just gives herself up to him. It didn't really seem like anyone could do anything about it once he was right there.

    Maybe the other place won't be as bad without Zerstörer.

    All will be revealed tonight 😕


    NouGrimm
    

    reply to #79 23.123.63.89 wrote: omgggggggggg. Great ending. 10/10. After 6 Seasons with this as my favorite TV show and the show i look forward to most, now that its finished, what do i do with my life? OMG I LOVE ALL THE ACTORS AND ACTRESSES SO MUCH! Great and strong finish, i will deffinitely miss waiting for these episodes. Time to rewatch LOL. Kelly and Diana are so good looking!!! OMG and they also mentioned how TRIPLETS comminggggg! i love it soo muchhh. GAHHH, okay i need to calm down. Overall, great series, i enjoyed everything💕.

    thats me. i just created an account lolll. Still, im super satisfied with the end and like the above grimmster said, "Thank you Stephen Carpenter and Noberto Barba for an amazing six years." and thank you to all the Actors and Actresses; David Giuntoli (Nick), Bistsie Tulloch (Juliet/Eve), Claire Coffee (Adalind), Sasha Roiz (Sean Renard), Silas Weir Mitchell (Monroe), Bree Turner (Rosalee), Russell Hornsby (Hank), Reggie Lee (Wu), and many many many more actors/actresses. Thank you all :).


    Wu-niversalGrimm
    

    I found it interesting how Sean's death didn't really get a reaction, most it got was a shocked one from Adalind. I mean sure, he isn't the most loved character but he was a part of the little grouping non the less, he was one more man down in their fight. Although Diana did look surprised but I believe there was also a hint of a smile.


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    I've seen a lot of discussion about the end of the finale before the time jump. Do you think when Zerstörer died, the portal took Nick back to the moment just before Zerstörer came through the other portal, or do you think a lot of what happened was just an illusion by Zerstörer in Nick's head, but Diana was also affected, and it backfired on Zerstörer since he died, obviously, and that no one was actually ever killed? a day ago Grimmaniac Grimmaniac

    The way I interpret what happened, I kinda go back to the Schrodinger's cat analogy. Once the barrier of the two dimensions was broken, there could only be one dimension or world left standing. It was either going to become Zerstörer's world, or his world would no longer cease to be. Once Zerstörer was killed, that sealed the deal on which dimension would be the last one standing, and "the fate of the cat," so to speak, was officially known. So I think when Nick went back through the portal that was created with Zerstörer's ashes, he want back to the moment that Diana pulled Nick and Eve back out of the other place. When time gets messed with, it's hard to say if anyone was actually ever killed, but from the other characters' perspectives, nobody died; that said, what Nick experienced was no illusion. The fate of the world was truly at stake in those final moments. The only one who was killed through everything in the end I think was Zerstörer, but it would be interesting to know if the Mirror Dimension was destroyed as well or if it was now just sealed shut indefinitely.


    Zerstörer Description


    Are you sure he's wesen? 2 days ago by LapisLazuliisthebest

       Grimmaniac	
    
           He's kind of the Wesen version of Satan, but he definitely fits in a special category, as he's pretty much his own "species," if you want to call it that. On the Wesen page, he's been placed in the "Other" category. The reason we can definitively say Zerstörer fits under Wesen though is because of his two different forms that he was able to woge between (of course, in the Mirror Dimension, he was stuck in his Wesen form), as well as his old-world connection to Grimms, which he referred to as "Decapitare."
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       Secret Grimm	
    
           Wondering if he was a full strong Zauberbiest way back before the seven knights found the stick. He sort of resembles one. Perhaps the staff extended his life there in the Mirror world and aged him to be like that.
           2 days ago by Secret Grimm	
    
       Grimmaniac	
    
           I've heard some other fans comment on his likeness to a Zauberbiest as well, I could see that as being part of his backstory, especially since he's got some telekinetic abilities.  I think Monroe may have hinted at more of what his backstory couuld be, that he's some kind of "fallen angel" who at some point was trapped in the other place, maybe by the Grimm Knights.  Whatever happened, he definitely got seriously corrupted along the way.
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    Wonder what or who he was before the staff transformed him as the stick started to do to Nick. The stick becomes possessive and protective of the one that holds it and the staff would likely do the same on a stronger scale. Also the stick seems to have a history of responding to Grimms as it did to Nick and possibly the Nights Templar. There were seven Nights and there were seven keys so it seems none of them were changed into Zerstorer and in fact it would predate them to be there for them to discover. That is another story that would be interesting to see. 8 days ago by Secret Grimm

    Zerstörer's Staff

    Zerstörer's Staff is a very powerful object that Zerstörer carried around with him until his death, where it came into the possession of Nick. ("The End") The staff seemingly made Zerstörer virtually indestructible, although while in his possession, it was not complete because it was broken up into several pieces centuries ago. Zerstörer was able to gather all the pieces except for one. If Zerstörer had managed to get the final piece of the staff, it would have likely resulted in endless pain and suffering for the entire world. ("The End")

    History and Possible Origin Edit

    According to Monroe, there is a prophecy that concerns "a staff with the power of the gods [that] can't be destroyed." The prophecy states that this staff was broken into 100 pieces. Those pieces were then scattered throughout the world so that its immense power would not be at risk to falling into the hands of evil. At some point, the Seven Knights Templar of the Fourth Crusade came to possess one of these pieces, and they buried it, possibly in order to also help prevent the staff from regaining its full powers.

    It is believed that the staff has been passed down throughout generations, being possessed by important historical figures and seemingly playing a significant role in major events, such as David killing Goliath. Israel, formerly known as Jacob, has been depicted as once having the staff, as well as the aforementioned David and Judah, who has been depicted giving it to his daughter-in-law, Tamar. According to Eve, David left his staff to his descendants, and Davidic kings continued to used the staff as a scepter until the destruction of the First Temple, when the staff "miraculously disappeared" and its whereabouts became unknown.

    Eve, Monroe, Rosalee, and Trubel have also speculated that the staff could be Moses' staff, the Ruyi Jingu Bang that was wielded by the immortal monkey king Sun Wukong, or the Kaladanda, the "staff of death" that was used by the God Yama in Hindu mythology.

    Powers Edit

    The staff is able to generate huge shock waves when whomever possesses it strikes the ground with it. These shock waves emerge and move away from the staff's owner like a circular ripple coming from a stone thrown into a body of water; whoever is hit by the shock wave is thrown backwards several feet. Additionally, the staff has telekinetic-like properties, as it can be used in a more targeted manner to fight any opponent and hit them with a significant amount of force without that targeted individual actually being physically touched. This ability appears to only be useful in close combat, however, and has limited range. The staff can further be used to generate significant electric energy, enough to fatally electrocute someone, not so dissimilar from how a Matança Zumbido kills its victims.

    Possible evidence that the staff, or at least part of it, once belonged to the prophet Moses, it is also able to turn into a snake, which can deliver fatal bites to those the owner of the staff wishes to kill, before reverting back into a staff.

    The staff may also have the ability to help lead its owner to a desired destination, as indicated by a diamond-like stone that is embedded in one of the ends of the staff glowing white.

    Characteristics Edit

    The staff is made of wood and is approximately 7 feet in length, with one end sharp enough to fatally stab someone. The other end has a slight crook in it, with a semi-transparent, colorless, and diamond-like stone embedded within the staff. The staff notably has several cracks in it, reflective of how it was once broken up into many pieces and then brought back together, with one piece, Nick's stick, being the only last remaining piece to be missing.


    This information is extensive and gives many clues to how the stick works and who and what Zerstorer is.

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    • Going back you can see Zerstorer reaching through to choke Eve  and before that looking at Eve and Nick so he had to be able to open a vortex into our world. He probably did not want to come through as he would likely have to leave the staff there because it would not be let through like the stick was not for Nick. He could use the staff to open it but not get the staff through without someone opening it from our side. Then he stayed in the in between to get the stick from Nick to add to the staff.

      This is where it is open to interpretation about time shift, illusion or another trick to get the stick while traversing from one world to the other. Nick and Eve were in that space and Diana was aware of it but Diana and every one else was recreated by Zer and killed to convince Nick that all was hopeless. He did not count on Nick's Mom and Aunt being able to appear in his illusion just as Miesner appeared to Sean and influenced Sean;s reality with the two that were ambushing him. Truble was inspired by Nicks relatives as they are also her relatives. Zer needed to have the staff complete by the time he really got here for the full power to take over.

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    • I would like to thank all the Grimm fans that have been so observant and have so much interest in the show for the information shared. A good dialogue is always a source of learning.

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  • January 1, 2011

    Don Case

    You can not see it, it is just there. It can not be felt, it has to be that other sense, the one that is always just out of grasp and sits just behind your left ear. When you stick a  big wad of gum on a top it does interesting things, that odd balance dance.


    But then, there is no gum nor a top. There are times when the world seems odd, the uneven way things are compiling, organizing, catagorizing. The box gets bigger but it is still slower than the clutter that fills it.


    A worry here, a distraction there, another new interest, what was the last one? Oh the list of responsibilities, they pile up till the box has no corners or edges.


    The world as we know it is changing before our eyes.

    Then reality comes right up and slaps you in the face.


    Breath,,,,,,, now breath again, life is what you make it. The air we breath in is what sustains it, the fuel that feeds the fire. Breathing is inspiration and release as is our thought, our work, our love, life itself.


    What is your thought, the one you hold dear but never express? What is your work, the secret one that drives you? What is your love, the essence of your desire? These are your life and motivation. Live them to the fullest for the clutter is not life but things and stuff. Start a new year with a new breath of life and a fire un-quenched,.


    Happy holidays.

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  • Spider web

    Spider web I make for Halloween

    I have made these webs for Halloween and for physical therapy since 1995. This one has  a circle about 17 feet in diameter and the outside frame is 35 feet higth by 60 feet wide. The body is not as able as it used to  be so I have not made any for a few years but have saved at least 4. Would be fun to go to PDX and set one up in Monroe's yard for next Halloween.
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    • Oh wow, that's amazing, Secret Grimm.
      At first look I thought, "that's some delicate work", but reading the scale of it...that is huge!

      So you made this with heavy rope?
      That would make the whole thing rather heavy, right?
      The frame that you built for it would need to be heavy-duty enough to support all that...so just building the frame would be a big job too.

      Really impressive, Secret Grimm...nicely done!

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    • The outside frame is small 1/4 inch rope and the rest is masonry twine. It is quite durable and has lasted through a few years use. There is a knot at each intersection of rope or twine and that adds up to aboout 1600 knots. I used 4 different laders up to 20 feet tall for years till my knees got too bad to do that then rented a hydraulic lift to do this last one. The spider is 6 feet across.  We used to get hundreds of kids for Halloween so Monroe is a kindred soul in that respect.

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