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why was the page for Thug 2 JJ Morris deleted? I am him & added info about myself on there.

Thanks, Jj Joey Morris 04:59, February 22, 2012 (UTC) Thanks, I sort of specialize in that sort of thing. -Cligra

We decided to cut down on pages. We were originally going to remove all characters who appeared in only one episode. We then decided to keep characters with names. All the deleted character pages have been combined into a single "Co-stars" page for each episode. See Bears Will Be Bears/Co-stars. No cast pages for those characters, although some may still be in existence.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 13:32, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
OK thanks. Just for info purposes Myself & my buddy Keith Cox (Thug 1) are of the few professional union stuntmen (SAG/AFTRA) here in portland. We work both series filmed here amongst other features & have been on more then one episode of these, alot of the time, we are not featured.
Thanks, JJJj Joey Morris 05:35, March 5, 2012 (UTC)


Why has the entry from Marie's book been removed? It comes from the official Grimm website on The pictures are gone as well. HalliwellManorAkaDsc385 03:26, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

I apologize. I attempted to rename the page so it would be singular just lkike the other creature pages and Wikia threw me an error message. The page disappeared and Wikia tech support says they can't help us with a re-creation. Whatever you can fix, please do.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 03:33, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Question about Unanswered Questions Answers Edit

Thanks for the welcome and I do have a question. I am not complaining or remotely offended, but would like to get a bead on the standards of Wikia, so could you explain why my answers to the Unanswered Questions for "Beeware" were removed? Thanks lots! OneHappyHusky 21:31, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

  • Who is coming for Nick? As yet, we do not know definitively who the Queen Bee was talking about. It may have been a reference to the "Grimm Reaper" who shows up in the following episode to try to kill Nick, or she may have been referring to somebody of greater significance who will show up later in the season as a larger-scale threat.

Ahhh, thank you, I total misinterpreted the section! Good to know! Thank you OneHappyHusky 21:45, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

*Why did the bee sting Nick Burkhardt? It was a warning he was no longer being protected by the Melifers, as punishment for killing "The Queen Bee".
  • Why did the mellifers attack Hank Griffin? At that point the Melifers were still trying to protect Nick.
The headline is in tended more for the questions than the answers. Teasers, if you will, to stimulate interest. So far, we don't have a good place to put answers. I'm open to suggestions. On Lostpedia, they would have gone on the Theory page for the page where the question appeared, but Wikia killed off the theory tab capability when they redid their format. We could still create theory pages and put links on the base pages. As I said, I'm open to ideas.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 21:42, November 20, 2011 (UTC)


i heard it on the show—Preceding unsigned comment added by Someone ?? (talkcontribs)

What is slivitch? is it the name of someone? I remeber seeing it once on the wiki, but i can't remember it. Roacher26 23:13, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Slivitch was supposedly the name of Reaper, but it has never shown up in credits or dialog. It may have been the name used in the casting call, but without some documentation, we'll never know.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 23:19, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Synopsis sectionsEdit

I need to get these Synopsis sections filled in. I'm way behind. It takes me quite a while just to do one for Terra Nova for some reason...I'm still working on that last one there. - RaptorWiki (Ryan) - Pixar Wikia/Terra Nova Wikia/Grimm Wikia Administrator 23:07, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

No problem; we could use more "serious" editors. My first wiki was Lostpedia and I've often thought that every wiki should be as frantic as it was. I'd love to have someone who thinks completing cast/crew pages is the most wonderful thing in the world 'cause I don't!<grin>--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 23:20, November 29, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, there doesn't seem to be many of those here! I wish some were! - RaptorWiki (Ryan) - Pixar Wikia/Terra Nova Wikia/Grimm Wikia Administrator 23:57, November 29, 2011 (UTC)


Hi. I was wondering what you need help with around here. --Frederick 03:14, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for asking.
  • If -- big if? -- you're interested in Cast biographies, we don't have anyone working on those.
  • The one-episode character pages are kind of slim.
  • Episode Synopses usually need some work. User:RaptorWiki has been doing a lot of the work, but he shouldn't have to do it all by himself.
--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 03:46, December 10, 2011 (UTC)
I'm so far behind on those synopses, it's not even funny. Maybe tomorrow I'll get some time. And now we've had two more episodes in one week! - RaptorWiki (Ryan) - Pixar Wikia/Terra Nova Wikia/Grimm Wikia Administrator 04:17, December 10, 2011 (UTC)


Just would like you to know I also was the first Pig Nick saw in the house in "The three bad wolves' and a Troll creature in the upcoming episode " Of mouse and man" Could be listed as stunt double or as utility stunts,,,,,ThanksKeith Cox 06:52, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for asking but, without your name showing in the credits at the end of an episode, I can't go that far. The version of "The Three Bad Wolves" that's on Hulu/IMDb doesn't show your name. If this wiki had dozens of editors with special interests like tracking performers, it would be different. Maybe if the series gets really hot, we'll attract more editor talent here.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 02:43, December 18, 2011 (UTC)


Hey, I have started to try and make a wiki for the tv show Numb3rs,, and do you have any advice? I have to start it from the ground up and build a community from nothing. --Frederick (Talk) {Twitter}

I've never watched the show, so I can't help you with content. The main page looks good, except for three things: "Characters" is misspelled in "All Charaters;" "2" should be spelled "two" (twice) in the intro about the two brothers, and you should use the Theme Designer-Wordmark to replace the text name of the wiki with a graphic image incorporating the show title in uppercase because that's what the show used. Good luck.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 19:02, December 23, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks! I'll change that ops. I can't get admin rights for about 2 to 4 months so I just emailed Wikia and hopefully, they'll change it for me. I have the background, colors, and watermark all layed out. --Frederick (Talk) {Twitter}

It "Should" look like this after words: 830px-Capture20.PNG

Music when Marie arrives in PilotEdit

Hi Jim, I'll have a listen and see if it sounds familiar. Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 20:50, December 26, 2011 (UTC)

Just soundtrack scoring there, no "canned" music there. The only song in that episode that's canned is "Sweet Dreams" (though they do use two poplar versions by two radically different artists. Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 21:05, December 26, 2011 (UTC)

Pronunciation guidesEdit

Thanks! I was thinking about it the other day after I set up the article on Rissfleisch since it's got a sharp S in the word, and most people would assume it was a B sound. I used the BBC pronunciation key to generate these, since that's the simplest pronunciation key I know of for the English language. As a result, the one at Eisbiber looks a little funny ("y" to represent a long I), but hey. Some things are just funny like that. Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 21:01, January 31, 2012 (UTC)

Lol! Geiben! Hoffenlich, nicht beim Deutscher! Some people crack me up... Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 21:14, January 31, 2012 (UTC)

Not to say I want to ask something if you do not take me wrong, I want you Post more pictures of the series and all the characters, especially David Giuntoli. I would greatly appreciate it if you did.

Unnecessary CategoriesEdit

Just thinking that the categories Bob the Wikipedian has added about speaking english/german are unnecessary. They don't really have any relevance. HalliwellManorAkaDsc385 00:37, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

They're just "bragging rights." They come from Wikipedia, where a user may declare his nationality, language and preferred brand of pizza!--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 03:51, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
Not intended as "bragging rights", though I can see where one might consider them such; it's useful (in my opinion) to know who has the ability to contribute in English or German, since English is the language used on the wiki and German is obviously a relevant language in understanding the series. I don't think other language templates would be appropriate for this wiki, unless we have contributors who aren't native English speakers. But like Jim said, they're mostly for enriching your userpage so folks can figure out who you are and what you're here for. Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 04:25, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
I agree, not needed. - RaptorWiki (Ryan) 19:53, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
Then feel free to remove them; I'll also stop working on that quiz userbox I'm coding as it's certainly not "needed", either. I'm not crazy about the deletionist perspectives I've seen here, but this isn't Wikipedia, so I'll do my best to conform to the local policies. Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 05:32, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

I am inclined to leave the categories and the quiz box in place. Anyone who doesn't want to use them doesn't have to. I think we have too many other things to worry about: Episodes with no or incomplete synopses, images with no licensing statements, and both character and cast pages that are stubs.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 14:27, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

Since these aren't categories being used in articles, I'm fine with that, too. - RaptorWiki (Ryan) 15:32, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

Jim, what do you think of the new categories someone is creating now? - RaptorWiki (Ryan) 19:34, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

Too much of a "good thing." I already dropped a note on the guy's talk page when he started renaming pages. Someone needs to remind him the entering a category on a page is only part of the work.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 22:05, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
Ones like Justice, Law Enforcement, Medical, they really add anything but clutter? - RaptorWiki (Ryan) 23:27, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
Right, and Teenagers.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 01:34, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, that was actually the one that got my attention. Do we want to keep any of the categories? - RaptorWiki (Ryan) 02:07, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
No, teke 'em all. We'll let others with proven track records re-add if they deem it necessary.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 03:11, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Sean Edit

Good morning. :) The nameplate on his desk (shown in "Organ Grinder") clearly reads "CAPTAIN SEAN RENARD". Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 17:54, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

Good catch! - RaptorWiki (Ryan) 22:37, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, and re: Jim-- Haha, sounds like Lost was as bad as Star Trek! Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 22:43, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
Now if one of the guys would just slip and call Wu by his first name...--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 22:50, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
Hard for them to do accidentally, since they don't know it. They'd have to forget their line and just say whatever rolls off their tongue at the moment... Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 23:13, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
Now that I think about it, I don't remember anyone calling Wu anything, even Hank when they were having a drink together a few episodes ago.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 23:39, February 5, 2012 (UTC)


Thanks! :) Yup, I definitely leave my mark wherever I go, whether it's welcome or not. Hope I'm not causing too many problems around here. Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 23:53, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

Not at all. Do you know how to make the expandable boxes work?--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 23:58, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
You mean the show/hide stuff? I can look into getting the code from Wikipedia and setting it up here for you. What do you have in mind? Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 00:09, February 6, 2012 (UTC)
Yes, that's it. I tried to make it work on another wiki I run (there are three dealing with those rectangular solids known as "books"<grin>). The code blew up in my face, so I rolled everything back. The boxes would replace the nav boxes, of which we currently have three, I think. Maybe it's not worth the trouble, but I like the way they look. I think you would need to be an admin to implement; that's easy for a person with my "immense power."--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 00:19, February 6, 2012 (UTC)
Ah, like the ones found at wikipedia:Monkey Island (series)? I'll get to work on that now. :) Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 03:22, February 6, 2012 (UTC)
Making a little progress here and there; I'll need you to edit the MediaWiki:Common.css, though. I'm not sure how much of this we need, but I'm pretty sure you should be able to simply add this to the end of it, or in the middle, or wherever you see fit:

  /* Default style for navigation boxes */
  .navbox {                     /* Navbox container style */
      border: 1px solid #aaa;
      width: 100%; 
      margin: auto;
      clear: both;
      font-size: 88%;
      text-align: center;
      padding: 1px;
  .navbox-subgroup {
      width: 100%;
  .navbox th,
  .navbox-abovebelow {
      text-align: center;       /* Title and above/below styles */
      padding-left: 1em;
      padding-right: 1em;
  th.navbox-group {             /* Group style */
      white-space: nowrap;
      /* @noflip */
      text-align: right;
  .navbox-subgroup {
      background: #fdfdfd;      /* Background color */
  .navbox-list {
      border-color: #fdfdfd;    /* Must match background color */
  .navbox th,
  .navbox-title {
      background: #ccccff;      /* Level 1 color */
  .navbox-subgroup .navbox-title {
      background: #ddddff;      /* Level 2 color */
  .navbox-subgroup .navbox-group,
  .navbox-subgroup .navbox-abovebelow {
      background: #e6e6ff;      /* Level 3 color */
  .navbox-even {
      background: #f7f7f7;      /* Even row striping */
  .navbox-odd {
      background: transparent;  /* Odd row striping */
  table.navbox + table.navbox {  /* Single pixel border between adjacent navboxes */
      margin-top: -1px;          /* (doesn't work for IE6, but that's okay)       */
  .navbox .hlist td dl,
  .navbox .hlist td ol,
  .navbox .hlist td ul,
  .navbox td.hlist dl,
  .navbox td.hlist ol,
  .navbox td.hlist ul {
      padding: 0.125em 0;       /* Adjust hlist padding in navboxes */
  .navbox .hlist dd,
  .navbox .hlist dt,
  .navbox .hlist li {
      white-space: nowrap;      /* Nowrap list items in navboxes */
      white-space: normal !ie;  /* IE < 8 no-wraps entire list, so disable it */
  .navbox .hlist dd dl,
  .navbox .hlist dt dl,
  .navbox .hlist li ol,
  .navbox .hlist li ul {
      white-space: normal;      /* But allow parent list items to be wrapped */
  ol + table.navbox,
  ul + table.navbox {
      margin-top: 0.5em;        /* Prevent lists from clinging to navboxes */
  /* Default styling for Navbar template */
  .navbar {
      display: inline;
      font-size: 88%;
      font-weight: normal;
  .navbar ul {
      display: inline;
      white-space: nowrap;
  .navbar li {
      word-spacing: -0.125em;
  /* Navbar styling when nested in navbox */
  .navbox .navbar {
      display: block;
      font-size: 100%;
  .navbox-title .navbar {
      /* @noflip */
      float: left;
      /* @noflip */
      text-align: left;
      /* @noflip */
      margin-right: 0.5em;
      width: 6em;
  /* 'show'/'hide' buttons created dynamically by the CollapsibleTables javascript
     in [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] are styled here so they can be customised. */
  .collapseButton {       
      /* @noflip */
      float: right;
      font-weight: normal;
      /* @noflip */
      margin-left: 0.5em;
      /* @noflip */
      text-align: right;
      width: auto;
  /* In navboxes, the show/hide button balances the v·d·e links
     from [[Template:Navbar]], so they need to be the same width. */
  .navbox .collapseButton {
      width: 6em;
  /* Styling for JQuery makeCollapsible, matching that of collapseButton */
  .mw-collapsible-toggle {
      font-weight: normal;
      /* @noflip */
      text-align: right;
  .navbox .mw-collapsible-toggle {
      width: 6em;
That's the version used at Wikipedia, so it may have some undesirable formatting, but it's a start, and we can always spruce it up once it's functioning properly. Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 04:38, February 6, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! And thanks for the access level! I'll see what I can do! Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 14:57, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

Verrat Edit

Seeing as how "ferrat" isn't a word in any language (as far as I can tell), "Verrat" makes sense. It's pronounced the same, so unless it was ever shown in print, I'd lean toward the "V" spelling. And (having missed this part of the conversation, I don't know the context) I'd venture to guess the Verrat the man was referring to was himself, not an organization. But I'd need to re-watch that part to assess that. Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 14:56, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

The Voice on Phone said he represented "the 'ferrat.'" It was shown in the closed captioning, but that's often problematical, at best.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 20:34, February 6, 2012 (UTC)
Right...I like how whoever noticed this handled it. Let's hold out and see if they say the word again and what context it's used in. By the way, I believe the templates should work for the navbox provided I can figure out which part of the CSS or Javascript still needs patched, but I've got several other things that are priority at the moment, so I'll get back to that another time. Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 20:47, February 6, 2012 (UTC)
It was an IP edit, or I'd give the editor a pat on the back.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 20:59, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

{{infobox episode character}} Edit

You've got the image rowspanning instead of colspanning. Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 00:57, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

Red categories Edit

I'm not sure. I know there's a script on Wikipedia you can add to your account to let you see the hidden categories; that might do the trick. Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 17:03, February 13, 2012 (UTC)


The Fuchsbau page I just added stuff to, do you think you could edit it so it flows nicer...i don't how to make the pictures next to the appropraite captions otherwise i would do it...Thanks and let me know.

Morgan 1236 20:36, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Cast Bio's Edit

Even though I have been trying to work on all the actor's bio's, who have made an appearance on Grimm, I would suggest only include the actors whose character actually has a name. You could eliminate or ignore actors who are cast as say, "Second Paramedic" or "Police Officer". Since Grimm is filmed in and around Portland most of the actors cast in those parts are local and have very little as way of a resume or only would be of interest to anyone from the Portland or Oregon area. As for one-episode characters, I would leave that in. Especially if the part was played by a more experienced/or known actor. For example, Patrick Fischler was only in one episode as a main protagonist, but he also is a familiar character actor (having a recurring role in Lost) so it would be good to have a place where a viewer sees an actor on Grimm, who looks familiar to them but they can't exactly place them, and be able to click on that name and see what other shows they have appeared in. So, whatever you decide though is okay with me! I'll keep trying to update the bios, its interesting for me who some of these actors are and where they come from and what other shows they have appeared in! Thanks for asking for my input! Theory of everything 08:28, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

What a day! Edit

*wipes forehead*

Looks like we've both been pretty busy today; lots of exciting stuff! Would you mind looking through the categories I've set up for image sorting and providing some feedback on it? Thanks! Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 03:36, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Will do, but in the morning. It's time to start decompressing...--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 03:43, February 15, 2012 (UTC)
Right, no point in having the category until it's evident there are multiple candidates for it. Gotcha! Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 19:37, February 15, 2012 (UTC)
I don't know what your opinion is, but I think once I get all these images categorized I'll go through and start deleting images. We've got so many near-duplicates that it borders on having copied the film. And there's no way anyone can argue all of them as fair use; it only takes one image of any topic to represent it. Thoughts? Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 04:17, February 16, 2012 (UTC)
Agreed!--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 13:39, February 16, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, last night I went through the fair use ones for a change in pace. Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 20:57, February 16, 2012 (UTC)
Not to work against you, but I'm suppressing categorization for {{fairuse}}, {{NBC}}, and near duplicates until we get them all sorted. I'm using "Uncategorized images" for the most part when I'm figuring out which ones need sorted yet. Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 21:08, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

No problem; we'll get it done.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 21:32, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

I'd like to be able to help you guys out with all that you are doing, but I just don't have time. Are you both retired? I know Jim is. - RaptorWiki (Ryan) 23:36, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry about it, Ryan. There's plenty to do. If all three of us were trying to work on images, we'd really be tripping over each other!--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 01:58, February 17, 2012 (UTC)
You've really ramped up the changes in the past two weeks or so! I get so many emails every day regarding the articles that have been changed. You've been busy! - RaptorWiki (Ryan) 10:06, February 17, 2012 (UTC)
Wouldn't be as many emails if I'd noticed/corrected some of the "illogicalities" earlier.<sigh>--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 14:02, February 17, 2012 (UTC)
Lol...I'm actually looking for a job, Ryan. Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 18:15, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
Oh, sorry about that... Good luck on your search!! - RaptorWiki (Ryan) 19:44, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

Userbox bugEdit

Fixed. For whatever reason, I neglected to put an image on the Wieder Blutbaden! Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 18:15, February 18, 2012 (UTC)


why was the page for Thug 2 JJ Morris deleted? I am him & added info about myself on there.

Thanks, JJJj Joey Morris 04:53, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Singular or PluralEdit

Why was it decided not to leave articles in the plural form, with things like "en" at the end? HalliwellManorAkaDsc385 04:11, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Mostly because NBC/producers/writers are so inconsistent with their "Hollywood German." In addition, "-en" is not always the answer; I'm informed by a German speaker that the plural of Schakal is "Schakale."--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 13:43, March 8, 2012 (UTC)


Ha! I thought I heard a butchered pronunciation of "Dämonführer" at first, too, so I did a quick replay, but only heard one R-- which was when it became obvious to me they were pronouncing "Feuer" like "fewer" instead of "foyer". I agree...if High German is going to be the mythology's main language, they've GOT to hire a dialogue coach! This just gets worse and worse every week! Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 16:58, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Then again, let's keep in mind these are German-Americans...and the typical German-American that has any German left in them that was passed down from ancestors really has no idea how to pronounce it. So, it's at least consistent in that respect. Now if they ever bring in a character that actually knows or studies German, they'll have to do some research. I sure hope the producers are reading this... Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 17:02, March 11, 2012 (UTC)


Oh, okay. I was wondering why it wasn't working. Thanks. Icealien33 02:39, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

Cropping ImagesEdit

For the infoboxes, it would look better if the images were cropped. Instead of this:

This looks better:

Images of specific characters should be cropped for infoboxes, it is more distinguishable and professional. HalliwellManorAkaDsc385 07:51, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

Yes! A cleanly done cropping job, like yours but rarely like mine, is an improvement. Go for it, remembering, of course, to give credit to NBC.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 13:31, April 2, 2012 (UTC)


Can you rename Category:Thomas Steinkeller to Category:Thomas Steinkeller images? I just realized I messed it up yesterday. Thanks. Icealien33 02:29, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

You can't rename a category. Why? Who knows? So I deleted it.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 02:33, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
Why in the world would we need a category like that anyway? That should not exist. - RaptorWiki (Ryan) 09:20, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
Whoa, I see a bunch more like that. I think those should be eliminated. - RaptorWiki (Ryan) 09:24, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
I'm looking forward to the inter-season break. There are a lot of little things that need tweaking. Don't let that stop you from the fixes you think need to be made.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 12:25, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
Why did the page get deleted again? Its a way to organize photos of characters. Pretty much all characters have an image category. Icealien33 16:03, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
Because there's no Thomas Steinkeller? If it's a character who has not yet appeared, we need to slow down.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 16:16, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
Okay... I just did it because a few sites with the promo images for "The Thing with Feathers" said that guy's name was Thomas Steinkeller. Icealien33 16:22, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
Because it's completely unnecessary to have categories for images for each character. Having them on their articles is plenty good enough. There's already enough categories. - RaptorWiki (Ryan) 16:43, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Can you delete Category:Robin Steinkeller images. It was made awhile ago, and now that "The Thing with Feathers" has aired, it turns out her last name is Steinkellner. -- Ice Contribs Talk 22:32, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Done!--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 22:35, April 7, 2012 (UTC)
I'll go through and delete them all at some point. - RaptorWiki (Ryan) 03:16, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
Thank you.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 03:27, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
Oh, wait...Bob added a bunch of those image categories. Maybe I'll hold off for now. There's WAY too much category clutter here now, and it would take an enormous effort to reverse it. What do you want to do? - RaptorWiki (Ryan) 14:54, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Owl WesenEdit

could you give me a good name on a owl wesen? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vasah 99 (talkcontribs) 11:26, April 7, 2012

No the purpose of this wiki is to document the series. We're not set up to support fan fiction, although there is some, and any pages about Wesen that have not appeared on air will be deleted.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 13:11, April 7, 2012 (UTC)


What do you think about the idea of creating a template to go on the top of pages warning about spoilers like other wikis have. I know about a wesen that will be coming up in a few episodes that NBC hasn't revealed, but I trust the website that broke the news because they have gotten things right about past episodes weeks before they aired. -- Ice Contribs Talk 00:22, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Here is an example if you're interested. I got the code from the Call of Duty wiki.

This article contains spoilers about an upcoming episode or character,

Read at your own risk!


Caution, rant follows. I don't know why you want to be spoiled. If you like the series, the mythology, the characters, the plot, what do you really gain by knowing stuff in advance? Then why do you want to tell others? Can't they find out for themselves? Okay, rant over.

Having ranted, I understand that there's a "market" for spoilers. My problem is with implementation.

  • I don't want to be spoiled. I think the other two administrators feel the same way, but I'll let them speak for themselves, if they wish. We have to look at everything to make sure the wiki isn't being trashed or spammed. I have watches on over 500 pages, including talk (fortunately most of them are pretty inactive). If the show gains in popularity, we WILL attract vandals and spammers.
  • I you're allowed to put spoilers about a future Wesen on the episode page, does that mean you can start a page for that Wesen? If you can, it shows up in the recent change log. Can you put spoilers about an existing character on the character's page, with or without the banner? If so, a user who doesn't want to be spoiled can't read the page to check on historical information without risking tripping over unaired facts (or presumed facts).

Can you live with being allowed to put spoilers on your own spoiler page (e.g.:User:Icealien33/Spoilers)

It's late.

--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 04:49, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

After reading that never mind about spoilers. I hadn't really thought it through. -- Ice Contribs Talk 04:57, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
I completely agree about spoilers. Nothing should be on here that hasn't aired yet. - RaptorWiki (Ryan) 14:46, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
I think that if we do decide to allow spoilers, we should not have a spoiler banner. We should instead use a drop box like thing for spoilers. Just like the one on the IMdB pages on the movie summaries. Theirs is a mouse over box, when you put your mouse over the spoiler banner, it reveals the real text. ~Artiepenguin Contribs Talk to Artie! 15:21, 08 April 2012 (UTC)
I see I'm a bit late to this party, but Jim's points are well-representative of my view as well. I'll echo the notion of limiting spoilers to your own user subpage. Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 03:40, April 21, 2012 (UTC)


Is there any way to get rid of redirect pages? "Leave It to Beavers" got messed up after it had its name changed 3 times today and now when you search "leave it to" in the search box, you get 3 page titles for the episode and all 3 are wrong and go to a redirect page with a link to the correct page, instead of just going directly to the page. -- Ice Contribs Talk 22:07, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

It looks like User:RaptorWiki got at least some of them. I'll look again in the morning after the error reports get published.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 00:06, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, as of now, the only thing that shows up when you start searching is [[Leave it to the Beavers]] which RaptorWiki deleted. We just need to get [[Leave It to the Beavers]] to show up as a suggestion as you're typing it out in the search box. -- Ice Contribs Talk 00:31, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
You can try purging the cache on your local machine. My previous inquiries to Wikia about such things have always resulted in answers like, "Oh?" <grrrr!>--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 00:34, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
I just looked at the press release for "Leave It to Beavers" and it turns out the person that redirected it was actually right. NBC's press release has it titled "Leave It to Beavers". -- Ice Contribs Talk 01:26, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
I'm tentatively unimpressed. Some months ago, some media outlet announced an episode title of "Of House and Man." Wikipedia went into argument mode over whether it had to be listed as the outlet put it on line. Ultimately, the media oulter was proven wrong. I'd say leave it they way we originally created it until we see something different at 01:43, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

So much for leaving it. It just got renamed again. -- Ice Contribs Talk 16:00, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

I've asked for a link to the press release.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 18:08, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
Here you go -- Ice Contribs Talk 18:16, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
Looks real to me. I updated Template:Titles and killed the redirect. If there are any directly typed-in refs using "the," they should show up as red links.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 18:26, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
Yup, that's the release. I was just about to put the link on this page myself. -- Noneofyourbusiness 02:03, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Could you delete my talkpage? Edit

Could you delete my all talkpage?

Because I started a wiki yesterday and I'm not good at English, I confused by userpage and talkpage.

So, I wrote them at talkpage and I thought my writings may become a probelm.

If so, please delete my writings. I'm so sorry for this trouble.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Baileyi (talkcontribs)

Talk pages can't be deleted very well. Every user has one. Yours is blank. I did not see anything in the history that was a problem.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 12:40, April 12, 2012 (UTC)


I was thinking about adding the 2-3 videos (scenes) that NBC releases each week for the upcoming episode to each episode's page, if thats alright with you. I think Hulu has all the videos available. -- Ice Contribs Talk 00:41, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

Go ahead, but I think we should delete them after the episode airs since they usually tell a different story than what actually happened.--

User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 00:53, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

What do you mean they tell a different story than what happens? The scene is the exact same as it is in the actual episode. -- Ice Contribs Talk 01:07, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, but they move stuff around, like the one spot for "Feathers" that showed Nick proposing at the beginning.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 01:59, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
I added the videos for the first two episodes, and I'll do the other episodes tomorrow unless you don't like having the videos. -- Ice Contribs Talk 03:58, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
I wonder if those promos for Grimm from last summer are still around. I remember that every time I saw the preview, I did not want to watch Grimm. I only started watching it on an encore episode the day after it first aired. All the preview starts out with is a blutbad knocking someone over (from Pilot) then it says "Grimm, this fall on NBC." If you could find that in your spare time while I work on the episode summaries, that would be great. ~Artiepenguin Contribs Talk to Artie! 13:25, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
We once had trailers on the main page. I took them off because the page was getting crowded. I think the best bet is to look on YouTube, where (almost) nothing ever goes away.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 13:50, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
Were just the links deleted? If just the links were, they still might be on the server. However, if the whole video got deleted, it won't be here (Which I would not see why it would be deleted, hardly any regular images get deleted). ~Artiepenguin Contribs Talk to Artie! 02:55, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't know if ths is what you're looking for, but its from last May.

Also, I think we should add the promo trailer for the upcoming episode on the main page. Unless there isn't really a good place for that. PDXTalk    03:08, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

No, I saw that and it was not it. I guess it really is nowhere to be found. That is the long preview version. You can tell it was old since the song played was waay different from the final song (a classic). The one that I cannot find ANYWHERE is the one that sort of ends like this one and it is only about 30 seconds long. I guess everyone deleted those. It is like in the style of the current promos for "America's Got Talent." The only difference is that the preview for Grimm did not give a date. I also they did this for "Prime Suspect." ~Artiepenguin Contribs Talk to Artie! 03:18, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
The Trailer Ice found on youtube was the very first one, IIRC; I changed it a couple of time as trailers for newer episodes became available. One week I couldn't get a good link to a trailer. The trailer links were all to files on other servers. I just don't remember the one Artie's referring to. I moved the Helping out box to the right column and shortened the summaries in the blogs from 200 to 150 characters. That leaves room for the trailer in the left column where it used to be. I'd say put it above the nav boxes. BTW, I wish I had never started that poll. I thought we'd have an answer long before now. If we don't get an answer in the next five weeks, it goes anyway.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 15:24, April 15, 2012 (UTC)
There aren't many choices for this weeks promo trailer. There is this one from youtube with a watermark advertising someone's account, and then there is this one from NBC. Its the best one, but I dont know if we can use it on here. PDXTalk    17:16, April 15, 2012 (UTC)
The youtube one comes up quicker and you can use the youtube tags.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 17:22, April 15, 2012 (UTC)
I put the video above the poll because it seemed like if I put it somewhere else, then it messed up the page, or at least in the preview. I don't know if this is the best place for it, so go ahead and move it where you want it. PDXTalk     20:04, April 15, 2012 (UTC)
I don't know the "how," but could it be incorporated into Template:Next (without blowing up the template)? Don't be afraid to experiment. As always, comments from other as well are welcome.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 20:11, April 15, 2012 (UTC)
Cool!--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 20:22, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

Think it looks good? PDXTalk     20:24, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

VERY good. BTW, I really want to know what's going on in that final scene in all the trailers where Nick's holding a shotgun. I guess that's why the call it suspense.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 20:27, April 15, 2012 (UTC)
They have to make us interested in the episode somehow, I guess. PDXTalk     20:29, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

Non-screencap Photos Edit

Hello, It has come to my attention while looking at the recent activity that Icealien has been uploading a lot of photos. Most of them have been related to the next upcoming episode, which is fine. However, I saw some images that were uploaded earlier today that appear to be taken on set. I suspect that because the image's metadata says it was taken about 2 months ago and with a camera. I am not trying to get Icealien banned or anything, I am just wondering if this is taking "fair-use" over the top. He also did not specify where he obtained the photos. ~Artiepenguin Contribs Talk to Artie! 03:59, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

I got the pcs from here: the article says there are spoilers, but its only the press release. All the NBC promotional pictures have a metadate from a couple months ago. The promotional pics I've uploaded for "The Thing with Feathers", "Love Sick", and "Cat and Mouse" are like that. If its taking fair use over the top, then I'm sorry. Go ahead and delete them. -- Ice Contribs Talk 04:25, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, here's my take. Production (promotional) stills are taken by a still photographer standing near the camera used to shoot the episode. They are high quality images which don't quite fit into the doctrine of Fair Use. The images are released to the news media to help entice potential viewers. After the episode airs, they become nearly valueless. We do not fit into the definition of news media. I suspect NBC and the other networks put up with wikis because we're basically harmless; they typically disavow any relationship with third party web sites, although that may be to cover themselves.

Promo stills are acceptable before an episode airs because they promote viewership and participation in this wiki. After airing, they need to be replaced by screenshots because the screenshots depict what actually aired and because the quality of the screenshots fits Fair Use.

Please ask others who wish to provide input to do it here.

If I've gotten any of this wrong, let me know.


--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 19:23, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

In reality, when it all comes down to it, Fair Use comes down to money. If NBC, etc., is not losing any money by images being posted from the show, then they're not going to care. In the case of this Wiki, it's just the opposite. This Wiki and images can only help to promote the show, which is in NBC's favor. - RaptorWiki (Ryan) 21:06, April 13, 2012 (UTC)


Should we change her infobox to a character one instead of a creature one? Ice Contribs Talk 02:56, April 14, 2012 (UTC)


I saw that you made a list of things to do in between seasons, and another thing we could probably do is get rid of a lot of the articles. There's a lot that can just have the content moved to whatever episode they appeared in's co-star or object pages for example. PDXTalk     15:40, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

Nice. If you go to Lostpedia, they have articles for everything that ever lived or maybe didn't, got picked up or didn't... Well, you get the idea. That didn't necessarily improve things! List updated.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 17:58, April 20, 2012 (UTC)
Another inter-season thing we could do, if its possible, is to have a category automatically be added to images if a license isn't added. Just something like "Category:Unlicensed image" or something like that. We also need to get User:Big Time Anubis to add licenses to their images... PDXTalk     05:35, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
Neat idea. I put it on the list with a question mark 'cause I'm not sure if it's do-able.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 14:59, May 6, 2012 (UTC)


Hi, Jim!

While I think it would be best to get a second opinion from Sprachkind, here's my conclusion:

  • Infantrie (-r): infantry
  • Fußtruppe (-n): foot troops
  • Infanterist (-en): foot soldier or infantryman

Thus, "infantrymen" would be Infanteristen.

Hope that helps, Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 03:14, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Hi, the above is correct except for the infanty spelling+plural. The terms in both languages are actually very parallel: Infanterie, -n "infantry", Infanterist, -en "infantryman", vs. Fußtruppe, -n "foot troops", Fußsoldat, -en "foot soldier". So all of these terms can be used just like their English counterparts are. ~ Sprachkind 13:24, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks to both.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 13:29, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
Ha, looks like my eyes failed me as I read -r instead of -n on that plural (my Wörterbuch clearly says -r, so that was definitely an error on my part and not on the part of my sources!); glad you caught that! I hope Sprachkind doesn't mind proofreading all of our butcherings of the language! And I hope we're not doing as poorly as NBC... Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 19:08, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Infobox Episode CharacterEdit

I was thinking we could add the "creature image section" to the infobox of co-stars episode characters. I hope you can understand me, cause i'm not a natural english speaker. Leodix (議論 | 貢献)

Good idea. Let me work on that. I'll have to figure out how to squeeze it in.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 23:42, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
Excellent, I'll be looking for some for "Cat and Mouse". Leodix (議論 | 貢献) 02:26, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Re: MonroeEdit

Glad you like it! About time there was an episode where a good screen cap of him in his Blutbad form could be taken. PDXTalk     23:50, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Guest starsEdit

Oops, I was going to move them back. I moved them out of the way and was going to leave them where they were until we can have two images (human and Wesen images) on the co-stars pages. I'll go fix those. Sorry about that. -- PDXTalk     02:10, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

Fixed the pages. --PDXTalk     02:17, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

Woman in BlackEdit

I think that we should just wait to see if she gets a name when the episode airs, or just name her "The Woman in Black" and keep the episode "Woman in Black" Ice Contribs Talk 20:50, April 24, 2012 (UTC)


I talked to Ice about this. Quote: "Hi. I was wondering why we have separate pages for Trolls and Haesslich (i cant get the Umlaut so i added an "e"). They're the same thing, and if you say that Haesslich is a Reaper and Trolls are the species, then i'd find that inconsistent because all of the species names are German and Troll isn't. Yes, the Grimm guide says that Reapers and Haesslich are synonymous, but they never list Trolls as a species. I'm thinking that being borne a Haesslich means you're automatically borne into being a Reaper. Sort of confusing, but i thinkwe should find why we have two of basically the same pages under different names.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Roacher26 ([[User talk:Roacher26|talk]] • contribs) " Roacher26 02:06, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not certain of the answer, but I think we're going to learn a lot about which terms are correct "in-universe" tomorrow night. I don't trust the NBC page all that much. Hang on for a day if you can. BTW, when you're in edit mode, click on "more" near the buttons and you'll get a popup with a bunch of extra-standard characters; we added the German letters to the box. --User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 02:19, April 27, 2012 (UTC)
Really? ä. wow! thanks (that will help A LOT)! Roacher26 03:40, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Species and "Professions"Edit

I think that's right, so I guess we should merge Troll and Hässlich? PDXTalk     02:47, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I think so, but let's give some others a chance to chime in.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 02:50, April 28, 2012 (UTC)
I'm still a little bit confused because are the reapers actually Hässlich/trolls? The reaper tonight in his wesen form looked different than Sal and the other Hässlich tonight. Ice Contribs Talk 05:42, April 28, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah. One was yellowish, and the other three were pale white. Maybe reapers is actually an Organization, consisting mainly (but not entirely) of Hässlichen. Roacher26 06:05, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

I guess the reapers are just different looking than Sal is, but it seems like they're both Hässlich, or at least most reapers are. I was just looking at NBC's Grimm Guide and that's basically how they put it. PDXTalk     18:02, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Should we merge/rename pages or whatever needs to be done yet? Or just wait to see if anyone else has something to say regarding Trolls/Hässlich/Reapers? PDXTalk     23:23, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I think everyone who wants to say something has had a chance. Go for it.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 00:45, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Is there a page for Reapers? I just realized Reaper was for one character. PDXTalk     01:04, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
It's already a redirect to Hässlich!<yikes!>--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 01:12, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

There. I think everything is right now. --Ice Contribs Talk 01:56, April 29, 2012 (UTC) Bravo! Nicely done.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 02:03, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

"Leave It to Beavers" episode imageEdit

I wouldn't have even thought about using the cut off heads as the image. I was just gonna use something simple like Nick with the crossbow at the beginning of the episode. Good choice by you. PDXTalk     17:41, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Doesn't have much to do with beavers, either, but...--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 22:28, April 28, 2012 (UTC)
Personally, I think we should use a picture of the Lodge, with the Beaver Council thing. Roacher26 22:57, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

I have to occasionally remind myself that it ain't my wiki. Put the picture you like in the infobox and see what people say. I'll stay out of the discussion.<grin>

I think we should just keep the heads since a big part of the episode was having the reapers come to town and then Nick sending his own message to them. Ice Contribs Talk 00:54, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
You should probably move this conversation to Talk:Leave It to Beavers so more people will see it.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 00:57, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Wesen Relations Edit

Thank you for such a warm welcome. I have created a new page titled Wesen relations. If you have free time could you check it out? Grimm King 14:32, May 5, 2012 (UTC)Grimm KingGrimm King 14:32, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

User:Icealien33 has a point; until we see something on air about "inter-wesen" relationships, a blog might be a better idea.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 14:48, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

Akira KamuraEdit

Should we keep the Akira Kamura page? There isn't really any info on him yet, but he will probably make an appearance soon, but I also don't think he needs a page yet. What do you think? PDXTalk     18:46, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

Grimms and CreaturesEdit

For the episode articles, should we just change the section to "Wesen" or something like that? Or "Grimms and Wesen" and just add Nick to every page? I think it would be better to just make the section "Wesen" since that all we ever list under that section, and we dont call them "creatures" like we did early in the season. PDXTalk     03:01, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

I'm amazed that I didn't notice that. The section has had more than one title already. I think the original idea was to describe the events that advanced the mythology. I'm not stuck on any one title. "Mythology?" "Wesen and Mythology?" Hang something out there and see what people say.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 12:46, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

Infobox recurring character Edit

Please provide comments here:

I think the new infobox looks really good. PDXTalk     20:08, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

Nice! My two cents-- "Species" has a very meaningful biological definition, and we don't need to confuse the issue further by implying they're species. That's why we've got people asking about evolution, since different species of similar creatures would have to have diverged from one another via adaptations and mutations.
At this point, we know that Wesen seem to rather consistantly have two sides-- a creature side and a human side-- and that these can be isolated, at least in Hexenbiester. We also haven't been privileged enough to hear yet whether Grimms are Wesen. So that said, I think we need to adopt a new understanding of Wesen as enchanted humans. It is understood that a Wesen's offspring exhibit the same Wesen type, so perhaps this is a curse on entire families and all their descendents.
That said, "species" doesn't cut it anymore. Something less implicative, such as "type", would be a more accurate choice.
Also, the dagger symbol † is a standard in English works for indicating someone in a list is no longer living. Placing a dagger to the left of a relative's name takes up much less space in an infobox, and it makes it easier to read the list quickly. So this would read:

† Reed Burkhardt, father
† Kelly Burkhardt, mother
Marie Kessler, aunt
Juliette Silverton, girlfriend

instead of:

Reed Burkhardt, father (deceased)
Kelly Burkhardt, mother (deceased)
Marie Kessler, aunt (deceased)
Juliette Silverton, girlfriend

Yes? No? Thoughts on either point? Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 21:42, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
Did some quick fact-checking since I just made a claim about the daggers-- apparently that's only in military history and taxonomy, not biographical stuff. However, I'd be all for using some kind of shorted notation for deceased individuals that isn't as intrusive. Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 21:48, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
Good on both. The original box, which I copied/cloned from Wikia's box had "race" -- as in Human, Orc, Elf -- but that was a potential minefield. "Species" was the best thing I could think of at the time. Using the dagger can get tied up in religion (looks like a cross). How about:

Reed Burkhardt, father
Kelly Burkhardt, mother
Marie Kessler, aunt
Juliette Silverton, girlfriend
Syntax is <s>[[Name]]</s> or <s>Name</s>
--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 22:00, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, I've heard claims that the dagger symbol in that context isn't related to the cross, but I've seen no evidence in that claim's favor. Anyway, I agree that it could create confusion, making it appear the individual with the dagger notation is Christian, so an alternate solution would be optimal. The strikethrough unfortunately obscures letters like "e". Perhaps there's a single character or small bitmap we can use. I'll look around and see if I can't find something useful. Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 22:07, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
Got it! What if we use a small bitmap of a headstone? And...for victims, we can use a bitmap of a sickle. Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 22:09, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

Dead Reed Burkhardt, father
Dead Kelly Burkhardt, mother
Reaper Marie Kessler, aunt
Juliette Silverton, girlfriend

Of course, these images can be added easily by creating templates, perhaps {{d}} (for deceased) and {{tl|m}} (for murdered). Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 22:34, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
Just a thought: weren't the Burkhardt's murdered? I mean, it is classified as a homicide and Soledad Marquesa is confirmed of participating in organizing it.Roacher26 23:18, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
First, "species" is now "type". Second, at least for the time being, let's have one symbol. wikipedia:Death has a nice image that points out that the skull is symbolic of death. {{D}} (for Dead) lets us use a single character template. This is only for infoboxes and navboxes. I set the width of the image to 14px; less impact on line spacing.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 00:42, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
BTW, it's still a draft.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 01:14, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
Roacher-- yes, but for the variance was for the sake of my example. So technically, all three deceased Burkhardts listed here would get the reaper icon.
Jim, great. :) Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 01:39, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
I like the idea of the images. I think the skull will be the best. There is no point in stating whether someone died because of murder or naturally (if someone wants that info, they can just click on the name). I also think in the example above, the reaper and skull images should be switched. Mr. and Mrs. Burkhardt were murdered; Marie Kessler died partially from Cancer. ~Artiepenguin Contribs Talk to Artie! 02:07, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. Nick implemented. Bedtime!<grin>--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 02:54, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

Do we really need to show the status of other people in someone else's infobox, though? That info should just be in that particular person's own article. - RaptorWiki (Ryan) 09:13, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
Although now that I look at the infobox, I like the images in there... - RaptorWiki (Ryan) 09:16, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

Two glitches showed up this morning.

  • First was that the width of the groups (the blue labels on the left) was dynamic. If there were no relationships, the column got smaller, messing up the display. I think that's now fixed.
  • Second was that I forgot that we'd need two images for recurring Wesen. The "Navbox" format has a section called "above" and one called "below." The "image" (now "humanimage") is in above. I put "wesenimage" in below. If that's a non-starter, let me know. This season's stars are done. I'm going to format Rosalee next and let it sit for a day.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 13:54, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
I think we need to make the human and Wesen images right by each other like they are in the older infobox. It looks kind of weird to me with one image at the top of the infobox and the other one at the bottom. PDXTalk     15:36, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
I kind of like it the way he has it. - RaptorWiki (Ryan) 16:57, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

I can't move the bottom picture up without rewriting the underlying Navbox template; that one is WAY outside my skill level.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 17:42, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

One thing I noticed is that the new infobox doesn't automatically add the species category like the old infobox. For example Monroe's infobox doesn't automatically add Category:Blutbad. PDXTalk     00:03, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I missed that; it's fixed. The type has to be entered without the brackets because the template does that. BTW, there's a lot of stuff we can make templates do, but casual users don't necessarily understand the functionality and that leads me to waffle.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 00:39, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
Uh oh. The species categories aren't being added with the new infobox again. PDXTalk     15:37, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
Already addressed in the section below. - RaptorWiki (Ryan) 16:06, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, should be (famous last words?) fixed {{Greater type}} returns categories based on "type". If "type" is:

  • Human = [[Category:Human]]
  • Grimm = [[Category:Human]][[Category:Grimm]]
  • other = [[Category:{{{other}}}]][[Category:Wesen]]

So far, it works for all the pages where it's used. We'll learn more when I rename and expand the use sometime next week. --User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 18:52, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

Well, we weren't including the category "Wesen" for each Wesen character. We were just using the type of Wesen, then each type was a subcategory of the Wesen category. - RaptorWiki (Ryan) 19:43, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, people kept sticking it in anyway. That's the neat part. All I have to do is take it out of the template and they all go away. I can do that.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 19:48, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

The template has been renamed to {{Infobox character}} and is now in use on all pages that had the old character box and the creature box.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 18:00, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

Wesen infoboxEdit

Do you think we should make a new infobox for recurring wesen like we did for characters? We could use it for species like Blutbad, Fuchsbau, Eisbiber, Hässlich, and Hexenbiest. I may have missed one or two, but I'm sure more will be added to the list next season. PDXTalk     00:50, May 13, 2012 (UTC)

Probably. Maybe call it "recurring types" and, for completeness, include Grimms and Humans. Funny you should ask, btw. I'm working on a new character box in Sandbox 1. My thought is that the new character box would replace both the character and creature boxes. The entry in "type" would drive the categories. It's definitely in draft. Over the long haul, I'd like all the boxes to have the same look and feel.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 01:07, May 13, 2012 (UTC)
It definitely would be nice to use the same infobox for ALL characters.... - RaptorWiki (Ryan) 12:28, May 13, 2012 (UTC)
I agree; set a boolean parameter that determines whether it's major or minor and have the same piece of code treat different cases differently. Trying to remember the name of an infobox isn't always easy. Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 15:02, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
Yep, the booleans for one type of infobox are they way to go. - RaptorWiki (Ryan) 16:39, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I've modified [[Template:Infobox recurring character]]. It now has a boolean variable, recurring (X (or anything actually) is true; NULL is false). the recurring variable must be non null if altactor, altexplain and notseen are to show. I also wrote and call from Template:Infobox recurring character Template:Greater type, which takes type and returns Category:Human for type Human, Category:Grimm for Grimm and Category:Wesen for anything else, including qwertyuiop. Yeah, Category:Human and Category:Grimm get returned twice, but it doesn't hurt anything. If that doesn't seem right, let me know. Template:Infobox recurring character gets renamed to Template:Infobox character and also replaces Template:Infobox creature, but not until at least a week after the season finale airs and the dust settles. The test infobox that was being called in my sandbox 1 gets deleted.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 19:48, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

I upgraded Template:Infobox crew, which is relatively low profile, today.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 19:03, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

[[Template:Infobox recurring character]] needs to be updated to include the category of the "type". I was about to do it myself, but didn't want to mess with the way you are doing it. Grimms need to have two categories, Human and Grimm. Thanks. - RaptorWiki (Ryan) 14:28, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

You're right and I think the answer is simpler than I deserve.<grin> I'll get to it later this afternoon.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 15:12, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

Recurring Edit

BTW, I have more or less defined "recurring" as three or more. It keeps people like Officer Messina and Dr. Rose out of the navbox. It also keeps Marie out.<shrug>--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 20:52, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Woman in BlackEdit

how did you find out she was Nick's mom? and when? AGH i cant wait till tonights episode! 13 minutes!!!! Roacher26 03:47, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

Juliette meets Monroe Edit

Thank you for the welcome. I came to this wikia with a specific question, and am still searching for the answer.

I was rewatching an old episode of Grimm (Plumed Serpent) and at the end of the episode Juliette shows a spark of recognition at the name Monroe. I seem to recall Juliette in possession of a piece of paper with the name Monroe on it, but I can't recall what episode. Nor can I remember with any certainty if she simply came across the paper or if she wrote down the name after it was given to her by someone she spoke with on the phone. All I can remember is that the circumstances surrounding the name discovery would have left Juliette with a negative association with the name Monroe (a person whom she hadn't met yet.) I have tried to back track through several episodes looking for this occurrence with no success, and added to the Juliette Silverton page as I went.

I have two favors to ask. One, I would appreciate if you are able to find the scene I'm mentioning, please add it to the Juliette page either within the episode it occurred or reference it in Plumed Serpent. Two, as I am unfamiliar with this wiki I may have given more detail or more of the story (unsure what constitutes a spoiler when it comes to previous episodes) in my character specific episode summaries. Please read through my additions and edit them down as need be. Thank you. 16:58, May 20, 2012 (UTC)A Wikia Contributor aka

I don't remember the part about Juliette seeing Monroe's name, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. I hope to re-watch some or all of the episodes before season 2 starts. Maybe someone else who watches this page will remember something. Spoilers apply to episodes that have not yet aired. Information released by the producers or NBC may be included here; information obtained from spoiler sources may not.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 18:17, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
Juliette hadn't heard of Monroe before the Dämonfeuer incident. Any expression she showed at all was simple gratitude for Monroe saving her life. This was the first hint that Juliette has a thing for Monroe, and our second hint was her comment following dinner with him, "I think I might love him." Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 18:28, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

Copyvios Edit

Do we have a template already for image copyright violations? Also-- for images such as [[:File:Barbie head in fridge.jpg]] which are copyvios that cannot be used possibly be used fairly on this wiki, would you say a speedy deletion (deletion without discussion) is appropriate? Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 18:37, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

Barbi is gone. We have {{No license}} for unlicensed (Wikia built). Please see my page for projects. One project to make images default to unlicensed if the uploader doesn't take the time to do it right. Can you make the upload text screen default to unlicensed? If so, we can include speedy delete in the template as a category.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 19:06, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
Done. Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 04:10, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Last Grimm Standing Edit

Hey, this is Grimmival touching upon for a screen cap of the Geier and the female Hasslich from Last Grimm Standing. I have a screen cap of the Geier up right now. Grimmival 02:37, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

Nice. It's always good to be able to show what we know we saw.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 02:41, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
where's the Hasslich picture? i didn't see it when i was watching so if you could get it up you'd have my utmost appreciation. thanks so much for getting the Geier. Roacher26 04:05, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
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