Adalind wasn't wearing her ring. I'd say that's a convincing remark for Nick generating a new world, according to Nick. Zerstorer was going to make a world, according to Zerstorer, with his staff, but Nick beat him to it.

You never know when to stop pushing. I tend to forget (or suppress) how extreme your anti-Nick views really are.

I tend to forget (or suppress) how extreme your anti-Nick views really are.

So what? Is Nick going to rise up from the pages of this forum and demand revenge?

Since when is it a crime to have extreme views of a character? I might point out that you don't seem to forget (or suppress, I don't know which) your views of Juliette, Renard and Kenneth.

See, GrimmPower, this is where we differ. I have always believed posters have the right to like (or dislike) any character they choose. I can't say I've encountered the same kind of return from fellow posters. You may hate Juliette and Renard to your heart's content. You can despise Kenneth all you want.

It's really too bad you don't allow the same for those of us who don't like Nick.

“why strive to be good people then?“

Where did it say or imply you have to be a good person in relation to Nick’s eyes? I’m confused-I think you’re trying to make meaning out of something that isn’t there!😳

Where did it say or imply you have to be a good person in relation to Nick’s eyes? I’m confused-I think you’re trying to make meaning out of something that isn’t there!

Maybe I am, but I don't think it's really a bad thing, do you?

Let's go back to Monroe's statements where he talks about wesen nature and Nick's eyes:

Black's too weak a word. It's more like infinite darkness. And we see ourselves reflected in that darkness. We see our true Wesen nature.

........it's actually very unsettling.

Monroe also says this:

Yeah, we're not talking kiddy pool dark. We're talking, like, all the way down to your soul, deep-type dark.

Now, these statements are from the show and they talk about Nick's eyes. Maybe I'm wrong here, but I get the impression that Monroe is uncomfortable and scared seeing what he calls 'his true wesen self' and 'his soul' in Nick's eyes. In other words, Monroe doesn't think that's a good thing.

Am I wrong here?

Now take it one step further. Monroe took up Pilates and became a vegetarian. That is in the series and, to me, that reveals he is trying to overcome his wesen roots where he hunted and ate humans.

You don't disagree that Monroe has worked hard to overcome his wesen nature now, do you?

Monroe talks about the horrors of looking in Nick's eyes and he acts like he believes what he sees, which are terrors having to do with the blackness of his soul and true wesen nature. I thought this to mean that he's being given a message. No matter what he does, his wesen nature is bad and he can never overcome it.

Should he believe what he sees in Nick's eyes? Or, should he take stock of all of the positive things he's done to overcome his wesen nature and tell himself that what he sees in Nick's eyes is not real?

Hope I explained that well enough.

Regardless if you’re an overall good wesen or evil, trouble maker, murderer wesen, a Grimms eyes are going to look the same-unending darkness that reaches to your true wesen soul! It’s because all wesen are naturally part animalistic and can become wild if not kept in check! Wesen will always have a part of them that’s related to an animal or the wild-whether they have ever did anything wild or have had a life full of mischief and crime! That innocent person will never not have that wild wesen nature, it was inherited! And they specifically see that when they woge because their animal side is coming out. Also then u have the wesen that struggle with that side, like Monroe! He lived a more wild lifestyle and believed a lot of what his parents and ancestors taught him! Monroe is now more “reformed”. And sure, if it bothered Monroe a lot, then he can remind himself that he’s in a good place and he’s come a long way! But he’s only going to see the disturbing darkness, along with Nicks other wesen friends, when they woge! But I never saw that as an issue with their relationship. As far as trying to be a good person, you’re not doing it to get rid of the darkness of a Grimm's eyes, that part will never change. If you wanted to try to be a good person, reasons would be

1 being a good neighbor to others

2 evolving past your ancestors

3 religion or beliefs

I think I finally understand u and I hope I answered you clearly!

@Lucille55 wrote: "Is Nick going to rise up from the pages of this forum and demand revenge?"

Who knows?

I do and he's not. Been anti-Nick for years now and he never has.

The eyes turning black thing that’s a new thing for me

I believe they needed to show the 'infinite black' part of Nick's eyes during the voga a bit more. I could see that darkness more in baby Kelly's eyes than Nick. Maybe I am wrong.