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Whether betrayals should be forgiven depends on context and motivation. Only the Zerstörer did more harm to Nick. Juliette’s crimes where only possible because she broke the trust placed in her. I don’t think the series was inconsistent. The motivations behind different actions were well understood.
Not correct. Juliette crimes were possible because her frame or mind at the time she committed those crimes was completely different. She was a hexenbiest.
Adalind was a villainess. She was working for Renard and the royals who wanted the key. She did not betrayal Nick, they were enemies who did terrible things to each other. If you're referring to when Adalind brought Kelly to Renard's mansion in season 5, that was something she was forced to do. Mom Kelly had to take Diana to keep her safe from the royals and preventing them from killing her parents. It was traumatic for Adalind, but necessary.
Who said I was talking about when Adalind was working for Renard? To be specific I was not. Adalind was not working for Renard when she brought in the cat who scratched Juliette and poisoned her. That is a betrayal because Adalind was using Juliette's veterinary skills and compassion against her. Juliette thought she was working to cure an injured/sick cat. Adalind enchanted the cat to poison Juliette.
I understand you like Adalind much more than Juliette and that's perfectly fine. However, you seem to take the position that calling Adalind a villain makes her completely incapable of betrayal.
You say that Juliette's crimes were only surpassed by those of Zerstorer. What you fail to point out is that it all started with a crime, one that hurt Nick more than anything else. This all did not begin because one day Juliette just decided out of the blue to burn Nick's trailer and betray Kelly. It all started because Adalind murdered Marie.
And let's talk about another betrayal that is rarely mentioned and that is the betrayal of Adalind herself. Kelly kidnapped Diana and enlisted the aid of Nick and his gang to facilitate the crime. Kelly used Adalind's trust in her to get the baby from her to care for as her own.
But again, trace it all back to Adalind murdering Marie. It was a domino effect from episode 1 which started with the crime of murder.
Juliette destroyed the Grimm treasures, lured Kelly into a death trap, tried to kill Adalind (including unborn Kelly) and made Nick almost shoot Monroe. What Juliette did was pure evil and harmed a person who trusted and loved her. When Juliette was asked to betray Nick in season 4, she replied “What's in it for me?”. When Adalind was asked to do the same in season 5, she answered: “Don't ask me to betray him”.
Not correct. They were never "Grimm treasures". The only thing I understood that was remotely even considered a treasure was that which was hidden by the Grimm knights. Further add that Nick himself didn't seem to place a high value on either the diaries, potions, or weapons. Nick kept the trailer in a storage lot for the first part of the series and then moved it to a remote field later on.
As for the key you mentioned earlier, Nick didn't even secure that in a safe place. It ended up hidden in his unlocked desk at work.
Also, I never got the impression that Juliette threatening Adalind was the same as trying to kill her. You will need to clarify that for me.
If there is some evidence to prove that Juliette "lured Kelly into a deathtrap", other than your opinion), I would be interested in reading it. To this day, no one has been able to provide any support for such a claim.
That's a lot of writing!!
Juliette is a subject that seems to polarize a lot of people.
@Lucille55 You don’t have to copy and paste everything I write and then answer in bold. I’m neither senile nor blind. You also don’t have to start every reply with “not correct”, you are not the Oracle of Delphi. How I'm I supposed to know what you consider to be “Adalind’s betrayals”? When Nick’s girlfriend stabs him in the back, that’s betrayal. When Adalind attach Nick in the hospital or Juliette at the vet’s, that normally not considered betray, it’s a villain doing evil tings. Most people will also tend to find it easier to forgive a villain that turns good than the hero’s girlfriend turning evil and do harm based on information she would only get access to because she was trusted. She would never be able to contact Kelly or burn down the trailer if she did not have that information. So, you do not think the trailer contain any treasures? Let me just say: “Not correct”. Juliette made Kelly enter the house, where she was killed. How is that not a deathtrap? Juliette tried to kill Adalind by crushing her under a falling statue. The Verrat-gard had to push her out of the way. Nick had to hide her at Bud’s. Juliette even tried to kill Nick, so I doubt it was empty threats.
Nicely said! She also tried to kill monroe, that was a close shave
GrimmPower-Your posts often contain multiple issues, packed into one paragraph. If you don't believe me about the wordiness of your posts, reread that last two. I bolded my responses to keep my thoughts clear, not in an attempt to annoy you. BTW, you yourself have been guilty of bolding, not to keep your thoughts clear, but to make a point. Apparently you must think I am both an imbecile and blind.
I am not the Oracle of Delphi. Why is it then you think I know exactly what you want me to respond to in your posts? You're very big on pointing out my faults. Let me point out one of yours. Too many issues with questions and no clarity. Do you want one issue addressed, all of them, or none at all? Why not try a sensible approach by addressing one issue at a time? There's no need to pack it all in and wait for me to respond so once again, you can point out what is lacking in my posts. It's a big forum, there's plenty of room to post.
I'll leave it to you if you want to continue this discussion. If not, I'm fine with ending it right here. Just clarify your post so I know what you're looking for. I'm not the Oracle.
@Lucille55 I didn't know my posts were so messy. NO clarity? – no wonder you were unable to address any thread-related issues. I applaud your sense of order and will consider a similar system.
Always happy to assist, GrimmPower.
@Lucille55 So this is just another "I Hate Juliette Thread"?
You know why this is just another "I Hate Juliette Thread"? Because she was written to be hated. The viewers that don't see her as such are the abnormal ones.