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ALL POSTSZerstorer and Hexenbiests
<p>This has probably been addressed previously, but there is a lot of evidence suggesting the possible origins of wesen and magic as coming from zerstorers race enitrely. We know that there are many of them all possessed of great power, and it is the nature of this power that makes them particularly insteresting.
</p><p>The blood potion used to combat him requried the blood of a grimm, a hexenbiest, and a wesen, drawing a clear distinction between hexenbiests and other wesen. With that in mind, there are numerous similarities between Zerstorer and the hexenbiests, from the decayed and monstrous appearance and glowing eyes to the use of magical powers and objects. Given the ability for hexenbiests to be manufactured and the choice of Diana as a mate, it seems very much a possibility that hexenbiests are a dilluted, but directly related species. This would explain their capacity to travel to the mirror dimension and the blood potion to harm but not defeat Zerstorer.
</p><p>Consider this theory. A powerful race with few members looking for a means to reproduce (Zerstorer), breed with humanity creating a race of beings with similar but more limited powers (Hexenbiests). This race is bred to produce higher quality breeding material the next go around. In Diana a perfect mate, a Hexenbiest at the hight of the races potential. Her offspring would allow for a new generation to be bred, possibly to repeat this process over again for a yet more powerful race. The magical force that resparked Adalind's powers coming directly from Zerstorer or his kind, the fresh and undiluted power gestating withing her and limiting the human taint in her daughter, a small portion of this accidentally passed on to Juliette during later conflicts.
</p><p>Now consider the staff, at the very least a major source of power for Zerstorer, but possibly his origin. A race of people exposed to the power of the staff like radiation (possibly at this point a tree, perhaps the Tree of Knowledge or Ygdrassil), mutated into the decayed monsters that they are while developing great power. Nearby fauna similarly effected gaining hightened intelligence and gain the capacity to evolve beyond mere animals into semihuman beings. Alternatively, a lower cast of people are actively crossed with animals to be used as servants. Certainly the wesen in the mirror world were subservient to Zerstorer. Their inability to actively interact with the staff/tree and its power prevent them from developing the magical abilities Zerstorer and Hezenbiests demonstrate. Direct acts of manufacturing living weapons and tools result in monsters like vulcanalis and the tree monster.
</p><p>The woge is the result of temporarily reassuming their original form, masking the other and truer form, and allowing for procreation with humanity. From this, the originals are greatly dilluted over time resulting in offspring who are increasingly human.
</p><p>This is all conjecture and i would greatly appreciate thoughts and challenges to the idea.
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<p>We know the staff is from that world because we see many legendary figures throughout history wielded this staff. It's also stated the staff was broken apart and scattered across the world. As for the staff changing dna it's possible. Maybe humans came across the staff for some reason 3 grabbed it one gaining Grimm sight, the staff seems to have telekinesis powers of it's own explaining why hexenbeast have it and possibly making royals aswell. But if true wouldn't this mean nicks dna might mutate aswell. I disagree with zeroster being among the original people he was searching for the staff pieces after they've been broken so zeroster seems to have come in existence in later point. I prefer my theory he was just a grimm and zuberbiest hybrid we know being a hexenbeast corrupts you so likely did the same to zeroster and thats why hes likely hell bent on destruction. And if grimms are only staff wielders all of these people being religious figures, we see many prophetic figures have special sight and its stated that grimm sight is like seeing the depths of evil. Im sure the first grimm came when firsr vvesen appeared and ot seems the staffs only been used in times in great battles versus good and evil. Maybe being vvesen was a curse put on certain people and a person was given the power to combat these vvesen.
</p><p>As for last part we see zeroster portion coupf make it through to nicks world, i kind of feel the staff has a mind of its own and thats why his mom and aunt appeared in the end if true maybe the stick simply didnt want to go to the other side.
</p><p>Im more so interested where dianas great power comes from its almost comparable to the staff itself and she shows the ability to do any type of magic it was stated that ritual would make diana a super hexenbeast put she also has special sight maybe that comes from her royal half. Also if zeroster was a grimm zauberist hybrid and became a great evil maybe diana is destined be it to. Kelly interestingly knew this fate makes me think even more grimms are special prophetic figures.
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<p>I once had a theory that Grimms were technically a species of Wesen similar to how humans are technically animals. The thing with Grimms is that there "voge" form would look exactly like thier "human" form (except for that thing about the eyes).
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<p>In S5, with Bonaparte's plot for world domination, they made it seem like Grimm were much more a part of the wesen world than typically thought. I have no issues in seeing them as a type of wesen. If you look at Hexenbiests (and Zauberbiests) they are humanoid wesen as well. All the other wesen take on the form of an animal except those two. Who's to say Grimms are in the same boat? When wesen woge, they see something with grimm that the human eye will never see.
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<p>I'm pretty sure to be a vvesen you have to be able to vvoge which no Grimm has shown the ability to do, we also know there's more than vvesens like the series have ghosts and different forces of nature. Also the royals appear to be special but it's unclear if they can vvoge.
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<p>The first thing to do is acknowledge the great age of the staff and zerstorer. They have both been around long enough to amass prophesies and legend relating to them. As zerstorer is otherworldly and the original wielder of the staff, it stands that the staff must be otherworldly. In fact, it is the staff that allows him to travel the worlds. Additinally, as there is a sort of wesen home world, it stands to reason that all of the supernatural forces are likely to originate outside of our world. Hexenbiests are able to slow the aging process as Henrietta confirms, and we know she is much weaker than eve who is much weaker than zerstorer. It seems plausible that he could have been around for tens of thousands of years and have lost the staff at some point, possibly due to enemy grimms. The staff was broken up on our world, but it was reassembled and brought to the mirror world so we know it can exist in other worlds. Additionally, as the power of the staff seems to be an attribute of the wood retained even when broken, it stands to reason that there is a source material and potentially other staves as well. We know grimms can mutate a little because of their strange interactions with cracher-mortels, musai, and jiamuru xiunte. The staff, as you said, has powers like the hexenbiest Diana, and as Nick is able to wield that same power in a more passive manner, it suggests a relation between the three species. The wesen in the mirror world understood Nick was a grimm I believe, so that would indicate that grimms did not originate on our world. More likely, the followed zerstorer as he set out to conquer, and their reputation as wesen killers is the result of this effort since wesen serve zerstorer. As for him being a hybrid, this is unlikely. His dependence on the staff suggests it is the heart of his power not an additional source. If he were just a hybrid his abilities would be independent. As you said, hexenbiests corrupt their hosts. The staff does too as it had an obvious obsessive effect on nick and zerstorer. So if we consider the staff as the source of the corruption, it is its vestigial power in hexenbiests that is corrupting them. Notice that the much weaker adalind was more in control of herself than the powerful juliette, suggesting a possible correlation between the quantity of power and the corruption. Also, grimms and hexenbiests have a seemingly insurmountable aversion to one another as Nick and Juliette were unable to make their relationship work. Given this aversion it is still possible but very unlikely zerstorer is a hybrid, especially as this would potentially dilute the zauberbiest power or outright cleanse it with the grimm blood.
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Consider grimms to be a blank template. Introduced to magical power they become zerstorer, and over the generations diminish into the weaker hexenbiests. Exposed to animals, possibly with this power as a catalyst, the become the more common wesen. All of the species are related, but it may be that grimm lack the transformation because there is no outside material contributing to their power. As nick gains experience with other wesen, he develops additional abilities so we know this is a quality of their species. Basically, grimms are like evee from Pokémon and different stressors provoke different transformations. </p><p>
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As far a Diana’s vision, we can’t really link that to her royal blood as the royals have not demonstrated any real power beyond the financial and political. We would have seen them woge in one of the many fights if they were able to do so. He vision is tied to the same energy as the staff and other hexenbiests which is why it triggers specifically in relation to these things. </p>
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Consider grimms to be a blank template. Introduced to magical power they become zerstorer, and over the generations diminish into the weaker hexenbiests. Exposed to animals, possibly with this power as a catalyst, the become the more common wesen. All of the species are related, but it may be that grimm lack the transformation because there is no outside material contributing to their power. As nick gains experience with other wesen, he develops additional abilities so we know this is a quality of their species. Basically, grimms are like evee from Pokémon and different stressors provoke different transformations. </p><p>
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As far a Diana’s vision, we can’t really link that to her royal blood as the royals have not demonstrated any real power beyond the financial and political. We would have seen them woge in one of the many fights if they were able to do so. He vision is tied to the same energy as the staff and other hexenbiests which is why it triggers specifically in relation to these things. </p>
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<p>We really don't know how long zeroster really existed and the staff has been stated to be used by humans throughout history so it's of this world. Also zeroster can't open portals with his staff that's why he needed nick and Diana to do it for him. Also there's nothing to suggest vvesens originate from zeroster realm but it's described like he'll also I think at another point I think some one said zeroster world was like ours till he turned it to that. Also it's possible the staff created vvesen but at this point it's a speculation there's not enough to on. It really depends for how long grimms existed and at what point did the staff come to earth these are unanswered mysteries of the series.
</p><p>For your theory that grimms are diminished zeroster, all the abilities nick gained from vvesen didn't make him one aswell so even if he kept gaining abilities from vvesen don't see how that would create zeroster. And at this point we don't know what zeroster is or what abilities he has.
</p><p>As for last part I'm just curious in general why are royals special we see in the series that their blood is significant so I'm just curious. They know of vvesen and have them working for them but for whatever reason the vvesen they have working for them don't kill them and are intimidated. Also we see eve could partially see the cloth while diana could see all of it so it could just be hexenbeast related. But even then hexenbeast dont have those glowing eyes so i got to assume it might be royal blood influence. But if true i wonder why sean doesnt have eyes like that maybe because hes a diminshed zapperbeast due to being half but with adalind doing the ritual diana was a supercharged hexenbeast which still doesnt explain the eyes maybe that ritual connected her to zeroster and maybe her vvoge state is like a female zeroster.
</p><p>This makes me wonder since kelly didnt get the ritual does that mean he'll turn out like sean that would be disappointing.
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<p>I agree the half Zauberbiest is quite fugly and not special at all but there's nothing to be done about it. I think Kelly will be unique in that he's both a Grimm and a zauberbiest, or rather he's half of both and that is very special in my book. Adalind's children are both unique and special in their own way, the only ones of their kind. Diana with the ritual and Kelly, a product of two species whose bodily fluids typically cancel out one another powers (a sort of killing) and makes them practically wholly human. When Adalind got her powers back, we were led to believe the ritual was very rarely practiced since Grimms and Hexenbiests don't hang around one another long enough to leave the other alive, let alone keep comming in contact of each other in a more intimate fashion. I believe Nick and Adalind, through Kelly (and Diana) have either created a new species of a wesen or a Grim who will not carry the same weaknesses to each others bodily fluids typically associated with Grimms and Hexenbiest or have perfected their own individual species through their bloodline.
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If Kelly gets the half zauberbeist face he'll only have a face a hexenbeast mother can love lol
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<p>Hahaha!!!
</p><p>He won't have trouble finding girls especially hexenbiests since they find that hideous face attractive.
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<p>your theories are base only on humans being HERE on Earth FIRST, the series try to tell the stories that all the civilizations from our world tell, that we come from another world. Humans and Wesen comes from mirror dimension too, even Grimms. Zerstorer it's a hybrid Grimm/Zauberbiest, whom became more powerful then others with that Staff, maybe the wood from Tree of Knowledge. The first time when he was beaten the Grimms human and wesen, break the staff and move to other worlds, with the pieces. All 3 races. The mirrors can be enchanted thats why the stick never get through. Zerstorer needed to conquer that world by being summoned there by someone from that world, like Diana and because he had almost the full staff, means the other worlds are conqured by him, the only world remaining being Nick's world. But all races are from that WORLD, a convergence of worlds where all 3 races exist.
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