Board Thread:General Grimm Discussion/@comment-26368233-20150530203609

After re-watching season 3, especially where the group gave Diana to the Royals then took her back, it made me speculate if we will find out in Season 5 that much of the Royal story arc was a plot to kill the king and/or weaken the Royals. The writers often give hints; these hints are somewhat obvious when the outcome is known, but not so much seeing for the first time.

Early in season 4 Renard was working to find Kelly and Diana, but his "investigator" was a known double agent. Once the double agent was killed by Kenneth I don't remember Renard doing any more searching. Could he have made contact with Kelly or was it just to know what the Royals had found out?

In season 3 both pre-natal and as an infant, Diana used violence as protection and displayed a skull from coffee steam (after boiling the coffee) when Victor was taking her to the airport. She also seemed to have an affinity for Kelly--she was screaming when at Monroe and Rosalie's house, but calmed down when we saw Kelly coming to the house. In season 4 the only thing similar from Diana was the skull in the helicopter. There has been a lot of discussion in other forums about what could have happened with Kelly and Diana and that Kelly seemed to come to the house unprepared. Diana seemed to accept Juliette pretty easily.

Meisner showing up in the helicopter shows that at least something was planned--whether he was working on his own, with Renard, or with the entire resistance is up for speculation.

Its possible the Elizabeth knew that for Nick to get his grimm back that Juliette would become a hexinbiest, or it could have been something added as part of the plot. Juliette could have been told about the plot when she was staying with Renard.

It seems unusual that Adeline suppressed her powers after what she had to go through to get them back. It is possible that to regain them is not to difficult but after the struggle to get them back it would seem like she would never want to lose them again.

Why did Juliette not get on the helicopter? She was promised lavish rewards by the king (unless she was afraid of being forced to be the king's plaything).

Why did Juliette not fight Nick when he was chocking her? After he said he wouldn't kill her is when she started to throw him around. With her powers she could have stopped him before he even laid a hand on her.

Why was Trubel at Nick and Juliette's house with a loaded cross bow. Several times the cross bow has only been used to tranquilize the victim, yet the bolts Trubel fired seemed to kill Juliette.

This would be one way for the show to keep Kelly and Juliette--it was an elaborate ruse to kill the king and they were involved in the ruse and were not actually killed.

It would appear that Nick was not in on the plot--similar to how Adeline was not in on the plot to trick the Royals with Diana. With any plot the more who know the more chance that the plot will be revealed. This would have added fuel to Nick's vengeance to insure he killed Kenneth.

If it was a plot then it would appear that Renard, Monroe, Kelly, Juliette, and Trubel were all in the know. There could be others in Portland and in the resistance.

Of course we could find out that next season that everything is as it seems. 