Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-3125844-20150326202354/@comment-174.92.13.142-20150415023708

Syscrash53 wrote: Actualy the ball is not in Juliette court. She has come to grips with the reallity of the situation. Where Nick has a problem is he is a streotypical male. With a lot of chauvinistic ideas. NIck is not one that could be with a domineering woman. In his mind he is the man in the realtionship. Listen to Juliette jail house speach and we see. Juliette is no longer one who will be dominated by anyone or anything. Is she being a bully yes. But then so was Trubel when she saw her self no longer the victim.

Like in the spice shop when Nick said tell them or I will. That shows he really does not understand Juliette. With the power she has, and the feeling of being empowered. Nick doesn't know how lucky he is, to woge was all that Juliette did.

You then have Nick at the jail telling Juliette to stop acting like a hexenbiest and act normal. To have Nick thinking Juliette's actions are an attack on him. Both statments show he still thinks of himself as in charge. Juliette told him in plan english, she feels more empowered then she has ever felt. Juliette abilities has empowered her to not let anybody dominate her.

The only way they will come to gather is. Nick would have to bend and realize that Juliette is in charge. She is the one calling the shots. And he would have to be ok with that. He would have to be willing to have a girlfriend who he ask instead of tells.

That is why I am waiting to see Juliette and Kenneth. kenneth is not one to be told what to do. And now Juliette is not one to follow directions. Like Kenneth told ADalind she could not go shopping by her self. Juliette would just look at him headed for the door with a "i'll be back" Sigh... this is SO you of you. Sticking to your rather odd brand of pseudo-logic. You ignore facts presented plain as day, and yet see meaning where there is none. I have argued with you often enough to know this.

Nick is not being a "stereotypical male" for telling her to "tell them or I will". He is not trying to control her. Men who are chauvanistic and try to control women are not typially so restrained as Nick; they belittle, mock, terrorize and, at worst, outright attack. Nick is not being possessive, he is acting as rejected lovers normally do; with anger, resentment and a bite of impaitence (which is what Nicks language boils down to). There is nothing sinister in that; if there was, surely the morally sensative monroe or rosalee would have said something, or at least looked at him strangley. Neither did though, beyond their confusion regarding the arguement. I myself have stated some variation of what Nick said multiple times over my life and meant nothing sinister by it, other than an impaitent "Get on with it".

Everyone does this multiple times over their lifetime, so stop pretending that Nick doing it is somehow signifiant.

You still have not adressed Juliettes own behavior, which is FAR worse than Nicks even with the most unfavorable assumptions made. She is completely irrational (she blamed everyone at the spice shop for her condition, even though Hank was not involved in any part of the process,), forgets that she consented to undergo the process it despite being warned of complications, sleeps with Renard for no reason and is decending into sociopathy (she tried to murder Adalind in cold blood, seemingly attacks those in the bar without justifiable provacation and even admitted that she was losing it to Rosalee). Multiple cast members have pointed to Juliette falling to the dark side and, given her current reprehensable behavior, that does not surprise me.

As for Kenneth, his control over Adalind is not actually a case of stereotypical patriarchal control, because he is actually being quite rational; Adalind is a) an important asset with regards to getting the child who must be guarded (even if she doesn't see the need) and b) a known backstabber who must be watched (Indeed, we have already seen her contact Sean behind Victors back). You may see it as chauvanism, but the rest of us would see Kenneth as the biggest idiot in the world if he did not do either of these things (to be frank, I am suprised Victor didn't do either of these things; either she didn't get out much during his stay in portland or he put too much stock in his earilier torture session subdueing her)

There is also the small fact that the actors who play both characters have stated, in interviews, views that are in line with my own; that Juliette is being rather unneccesarily mean towards her former lover and that she is making decisions that she will "regret". I do not have the time or know-how to link them, but a search for "Grimm season 4 (Insert actor name) interview" should bring up the needed evidence.

But lets face facts; you are not going to care at all what I say here. You'll ignore or misinterpret my arguement or, if that cannot be reasonably be done, reshape your arguement so that it looks like ME who is doing the misinterpreting. at this point, winning is more important that eing right for you.

I have argued with you too hard, and for too long, to believe otherwise.