Board Thread:General Grimm Discussion/@comment-24399666-20151108051250/@comment-24399666-20151111011614

Syscrash53 wrote: SGO secret govenment organization. Heard it on another forum to identify Mesiners group.

As far as who is good and who is bad I think it wil be grey for both groups. So far the uprising has killed to protect it self. I see the show making them a group fighting for self preservation, the right to be known, the right to be openly wesen. Think about it why should they have to stay hidden. Remember the council put a bounty out on Nick. If the SGO is an extension of the council they would be a threat to Nick. The fact that chavez is wesen is not an indication that they want to eliminate wesen. Especially now with the uprising they would not know who is a good wesen and who is a bad wesen. So to eliminate the wesen they can identify, would eliminate the uprising.

The SGO kidnapped Trubel twice. If Trubel's involvement was voluntary why would they have to kidnap her. If Trubel felt the group where the good guys why would she not have contacted Nick about the group, or at least told Nick about them on her return. It seemed more like she was trying to keep the group away from Nick.

Also if the SGO are the good guys, friend of Trubel and other Grimms. Why would Chavez not tell Nick what was going on. Has anyone considered that Meisner is holding Diana as leverage against Sean to keep him from using his position to come after the SGO. Thanks for the clarification. :)

Weblinger, who is pretty much the only person in the Occultatem Libera organization that we've really met and know anything about, killed an innocent accountant, plus two US Marshals, and showed no sign of regret or remorse. He was downright smug when he knew he was going to get away with killing the Marshals. That speaks to either sociopathy, or more likely (given Betty's behavior as well), a cultish organization that believes that human life (even innocent, clueless lives) is insignificant, next to the cause. So... terrorists. At least the Council cares who they kill, and why, and generally don't go after totally innocent Kehrseite.

Monroe addressed the question of why to stay hidden in S1: basically, people fear what they don't understand, Kehrseite outnumber Wesen, and there is a long history of people finding out about Wesen and it leading to wild hunts to find and exterminate the Wesen (who, as Kehrseite, they couldn't even see, so this often led to other Kehrseite getting killed as well). We see this even now in the show... just look at Wu's reaction, and even after he started to understand, he was asking, "who are they? How many are there? Shouldn't we be out killing them?" Wu came around, but only after a lot of personalized attention. It would be a totally different story for the populace in general. As Kay said in MIB, "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it."

Given all this, it's pretty evident that the Occultatum Libera movement's solution to this is probably to take over and enslave Kehrseite, to keep them from lashing back.

Assuming, of course, that it's even about Wesen not being hidden anymore. It could also be an uprising specifically against the Wesen Council (in which case, "free" means, "freedom from the tyranny of the Council"), or "what's hidden" may even refer to something else entirely (not referring to Wesen).

The SGO kidnapped Trubel once. The second time, it could have been an extraction. What Trubel yelled was, "What are you DOING?" [sounding incensed], and then, "Don't hurt him!" [almost like she couldn't believe they were attacking Nick like that]. As for why she wouldn't tell Nick about them, it's fairly obvious (at least to anybody who's ever watched Alias or Agents of SHIELD or anything concerning spy organizations, or even Criminal Minds)... she doesn't have the authority to tell anybody about them without permission. Telling Nick without permission would be treason. Same reason Chavez didn't tell him everything... she didn't have the authority to do so.

Meisner holding Diana as leverage... no, I hadn't considered that. I'd always figured he was holding onto Diana as a potential weapon. You may be right. Personally, I think that Sean doesn't know anything about the organization, and I heard [spoiler] that he was going to be politically backing a candidate for office that was going to come back to bite him... I'm guessing the candidate is secretly a member of the OL, and Meisner has concluded that Sean is not to be trusted as a result.