Board Thread:General Grimm Discussion/@comment-88.108.120.82-20150622223701/@comment-1509826-20150623204754

Syscrash53 wrote: Most of her past activities have been a success. The cat scratch, getting pregnant to get her powers back, Taking Nicks powers. After each one we saw her leaving with a feeling of success.

Its true, but they all ended up backfiring on her. The Cat scratch just brought Nick and Sean together. Getting Pregant got her powers back, but left her on the run with her life in danger and ended with her loosing her daughter. Taking Nick's powers meant she is now pregnant with his child. And her reward was to get locked in Viktor's dungeon and get tortured for several days.

Really as much as she wins, every victory only leads to more lasses.

Syscrash53 wrote: She Sean and her mother threatend her to do her job and get the key. Her failure resulted in her mother and Sean throwing her out. She worked with Viktor who threatened to kill her and put her in the dungeon. Kenneth was surly ready to kill her if she failed. So working with Nick and friends was a easy choice. With them, cooperation was not under penalty of death like with her other allies.

I slightly disagree, her life was just as much in danger going to Nick as it was before. I mean he hated her, he had every reason to kill her. Sure she knows Nick is a good man, but Adalind was still afraid he would kill her after he had agreed to give her his help.

Really she had no way of knowing they would help, he could have easily just given her to Juliette. Not to mention there is the whole ancestry problem, its not like Nick would be friendly to Hexenbiests at the present following what becoming one did to Juliette.

Legitemently that's what shows Adalind is at rock bottom, the fact there is no one but her own natural predator left for her to turn to.

Syscrash53 wrote: Past Adalind and this adalind would not and did not take the potion as a sacrifice. She has a reason for wanting to use her mothers parts. Knowing Juliette has the powers she does. Knowing she has run from the Royals yet again. There is no way she would intentionally leave herself unprotected.

While I grant you it doesn't seem likely, we do have to remember Adalind is quite famous for making impulsive choices that don't help her in the long run. Besides she's in a lot of danger any way, Legitmently having her powers wouldn't really help her as she wasn't anywhere near strong enough to face the people who could kill her.

And this way, she more or less strengthens the chances that Nick will protect her. And he is powerful enough to face the people who could kill her.

Syscrash53 wrote: There is debate if her concern for Diana is true concern or the consequence of the contract. Remember the only reason she got pregnant with Diana was to sell her.

I remember, but don't forget we did get the see the whole process of her going from impulsively making the deal, to realising just what she had sold. Really if she didn't care, why wouldn't she just let the royals have Diana? It would make her life a lot easier.

Syscrash53 wrote: From a story point changing Adalind to good would leave the show without a source of internal conflict. The conflict was Nick and Juliette trying to work together with Adalind being the force of division. The only one left is Sean to cause internal conflict and he needs Adalind to perpatrate that conflict. Sean has never done his own work, unlike Kenneth who did not mind getting his hand dirty.

The only other character they could use is Trubel. That would make Jaquline become a regular on the show. Trubel and Chavez could become the new Sean and Adalind. But then what do they do with Sean and Adalind who are requlars on the show.

I disagree the show has enough established opponents, who can create conflict without needing her to carry on this role. Likewise just cause she's swapped sides doesn't mean things would immediately become calm, there is still a lot of history between them all that they need to get over first.

Likewise I can't see Trubel turning on Nick. Not for someone she barely knows.

Syscrash53 wrote: I see why the points you make would lead to seeing a change. But for these example to explain change would require trust in Adalind. For me to trust Adalind I would need to see her put someone elses needs before her own. Not experiment on her unborn child. OK I am fixated on Adalind sujecting her child to the violent convulsions. Also the using the argument "it's your child protect me" to get Nick help. Yet again her kids are a pawn in her plans.

Now I will admit Adalind did make one statment that could indicate some type of change. The change being finding a way out of the wesen life. The clue was when she was remembering being happy as a lawyer. Before Sean recruted her for all this covert stuff. For that change she would have to leave portland and start over somewhere. She has to many ties and people with expectations of Adealind being Adalind and will call on her to do her thing.

Problem with that dream for her future. I am not all sure that her being an effective lawyer was because of her lawyer skills and not her ability to influence others.

I understand. Don't get me wrong I'm willing to accept it could go either way at this point, I just think its more likely for her to at least try to redeem herself. She needs to do a whole lot more first before I forgive her. Its just she's really to pitiful to honestly hate.

As such if she tries to go back to her old life, build a few bridges and stop causing problems I would be okay with that.