Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-3125844-20150225201100/@comment-184.147.182.210-20150319045246

Syscrash53 wrote: I find this interesting becuase you have a perspective that even I see when I watch the show with out analizing it.



Not everything but most things on the screen are there for a reason and not by chance. Even the hair color of the actors is considered when characters have a lot if scenes together. Wardrobe is a major component of setting the scene. It is right up there with lighting. You see someone wearing a necklace. It is not because it is pretty. It is there because it will help stage the scene. It will emphasize a certain emotion or provide a certain subliminal clue. If the neklace is long it is meant to devert yours eyes.

1.  I am asserting to Adalind influence on Viktor is the same you would have if around someone you want to impress. Or if you are on a first date. You only want them to see the good in you. You are still the same sadistic individual. But  in their presence you may open doors. Pull out their chair. Things you would never do for others. If the show were to use a normal simple jester which is what would really happen. People would not see it. The show exaggerates the action. hits you over the head with the implications. You would never setup taht series of scenes if it did not have a purpose. The room is an extra set. The cost dictates that it must have a very important purpose. To introduce Sean and have them establish there new relation. No room the last time he came to Portland. The other thing the room was used to was to establish Viktors dffinition of "back channel diplomacy" which completely went over Adalind head. The only other reason for the room was Adalind. I do thank it is ironic that Viktor has Eric room with Adalind even though Adalind was never there with Eric. It shows Viktor picking up where Eric left off, including Adalind. Have you noticed they keep showing the "Fall of the Roman Empiror"  even the King states it is always a women. The point being. You can be as tough a warrior as you want. But it wil all come down to your being defeated by a women.

2. The color and type of cloths are very important. It is no accident that during the biestfight. Adalind was in all black and Juliette was in red and green. Go back and watch each interaction Juliette has. In the begining Juliette had on earth tones. To establish her as none treating. As Juliette became more aware of wesen you would see here more and more in red. Ironc red is the color the upset blutbads. Now we see her into her transformation the color is turning to green. Take any of the still from her clothes you can tell what season and which are from action scenes. And yes they do put that much thought into it. Wardrob gets paid well for thinking about that. lets break it down.

In Tribuanl her first attack she is in red. The color used to indicate Juliette and action. She blows up the car again Juliette is in red. Now it is established Juliette is a full on hexenbiest and the green starts to appear. Then she has the dream loses control now she is in Green. The manticor she is in green. over at Seans she is in green. At henrietta she is in green.

And how do they end the run Juliette is wearing red and green. red because it is her action color and green because she is changing. Even in the promos Juiette has on Green when she goes over to Sean and when she say "Go getem Grimm". I do wonder if they choose green to signify envy.

Clothes color has nothin to do with Viktor decision. Other then to imply Viktor position.

3. You do realize the difference between being sexuallity and sex. I never said anything about having sex. I said hexenbiest use ther sexuality, and are very sexual beings. A Playboy Bunny is a very sexual person. That uses her sexuallity to promote the product. None of which have anything to do with sex. To frame it in the form of having to do with sex would make Adalind a whore. And that is not the character she is protraying. She is protraying a women who is very intouch with her sexuallity and realizes she can use it to make even the most sadistic hardend man bend. To see Viktor bend to her charmes, a man who has shown no interest in seeking pleasure. Shows the magnatude of her abilities. The same that Juliette blownign up the car did.

5. he was being civil when she was pregenant, one the King was there two she was pregent. When was was ready to deliver. civility went out the window. Supported by Viktor was ready to take the baby at Adalind expense. At the hotel Adalind was no longer pregenent. so how would you make a connection of how Viktor acted at the casle when adalind was pregenent to how he acted in the hotel. In the hotel she had no leverage.

6. By the time the show got to the "Island of Dreams" Sean had started going in a different dirrection. The change start when SEan say how Nick handled the case in beeware. That why SEan told adalind the best way to Nick is throught his friends. But SEan did not wnat Hnak dead. Here is what he told ADalind "Renard hands over a vial of blood saying Hank just had his physical. Renard tells Adalind to do whatever it takes to make Hank like her." Why would you think that would mean kill Hank. First of all Sean does not result to violence to get things done. And as for Mari. Like he told Kelly. "Mari was a Grimm that is what we do" even Kelly understood that. Hank has nothing to do with wesen. He is an innocent bystander. We see how Sean feels about the innocent getting heart. He brought Juliette out of the comma at great cost to himself. Why would someone with that kind of humanity agree to something that would kill one of his best detectives. Adalind was only suppose to make Hank fall in love. But like everything else Adalind over did it.

In conclusion I know we will not agree. For  you keep arguing with realistic logic. The show is not driven by logic but by the writters making a point, by the writter pushing buttons.

The one good thing reading your replies, it comfirms the writers are doing there job. You are buying into hook line and sinker. YOu see exactly what they want you to see and give the expected response.

I am more into the mechanics of how they do it. The how a scene make you feel mad or happy. how you cheer for one character and hate another.

I have better things to do, so I will make this as quick as I can.

1. You keep changing what you say Adalind is doing to Vicktor; First she was seducing him, then she was trying to use psychology to get him to simmer down, now she is trying to give a good impression? That doesn't even qualify as influencing, and it is a bit late to give a good impression given the history of betrayal between the two. There is no way that Adalind would bother with somthing like this and there is no way Vicktor would fall for it.

2. I dare say that you would be saying the same if Juliette was wearing purple during the fight, or yellow, or a clown costume. Just because you see significance in the colour of their clothing does not mean there actually is. this is called apophenia, or the tendency to see patterns in random or meaningless data. This is not unexpected, humans are programmed to think like this, but we must be vigilant enough to recognize when it is happening. Also, the pattern you describe makes no sense. If she was transitioning from red to green, shouldn't she have been wearing red in the dream (it happened before the car exploding incident where she wore red)? And what does "going full Hexenbiest" mean? if you are referring to the fact that she was at that point a fully fledged Hexenbiest, she should have been green in all the instances because she was a complete hexenbiest at those points too. If red signifies action and violence, why was she wearing green in the dream where she killed Rosalee? That is not to mention all the times she dressed in Non-earthen tones in the early season (she wore red quite a bit then too), which you won't remember due to Confirmation Bias (a tendency to disregard and forget evidence contrary to your position).

I get that Wardrobe people are good at what they do, But I don't think the colour of clothing signifies anything more than a characters preference that day.

And of course Adalind was going to wear black. If you remember her wardrobe at the hotel was exclusively Black.

3. Two points here. first you fail to address my accustation of your flip-flopping on wheter or Adalind was using her sexuality (read my post again to get the gist). Second, I am well aware of the difference. What YOU do not understand is that it does not matter which you claim adalind is using, because NEITHER is going to work on Vicktor. He is immune, thanks to intellect and personality, to any charm that adalind could possibly use. That is a central point of Vicktors character; He will not be influenced by anything that is not pure reason or self interest. Adalind, for all her stupidity, would know this and would not bother attemping anything of the sort.

4 (which to you is 5). Once again you fail to attend to what I was accusing; your admission that Vicktor was merely playing nice is you undermining your initial argument. You cannot claim "Adalind is genuinely influencing Vicktor to be less of a sociopathic bastard" and "Victor is only pretending to be a less evil man" in the same breath; they completely contradict each other. Please pick one and disregard the other before rebutting me again.

5 (which to you is 6). Renard was perfectly happy to let Hank die; if he was not, he wouldn't have put him in the position where there was a significant chance of that happening (which he did). As I said before, Renard had full awarness of what would happen to Hank, which also means he knew what could happen should Nick decide not to hand the key over.

Why should Renard care about Hank in the first season? Hank then was just another human detective who, lets be fair, could easily be replaced. If he did die, Renard would just pair Nick with another detective. Renard is not a person to be shy about killing those who stand in his way, and he did not begin his change towards the good side until well into the second season, where he gave the key to Nick. Even now, he is still more Ruthless than any other primary character, willing to do whatever he needs to do to achieve his aims and abandoning those who no longer are useful to him (he abandoned Adalind when she became human, and stated he would cut of his alliance with Meisner the moment he no longer needed him). Does this sound like a man who would care about Hanks life AT ALL? No, it does not.

There is my rebuttal. As you have obviously ignored my request to stop, I expect to have to deal with yet another post from you. See you then.

PS

PDXBlazer, I do not WANT to continue this conversation, but my opponent is leaving me little choice. I have, shall we say, a condition that, among other things, gives me a compulsion that makes it impossible to not answer a refutation from an opponent. the impetus to stop is this in his court, not mine.