Board Thread:General Grimm Discussion/@comment-5732287-20141213032435/@comment-174.92.14.239-20150227082148

Wolfwand wrote: if you let juliet 4 series be as a hexenbiest in nick's situation, belive me, you should count more deads.

nick during  2 series  didnt struggle any wesen by his self only 2(rippers and hundjagers who hitted hank), a gun a badge and hank to help him, and he is a cop after all...!

but when you think about juliet in 5 episode, kill 2 people and damage a lot,

i am not going to say who will win in this fight(which hopfully never would happend) but you should consider it, she is not a normal hexenbiest and if any grimm had wrote about this kind of hexenbiest(made hexenbiests) juliet will find it in hexenbiest's book. so maybe they never see ones and juliet is first persone in this line, or they didnt live any more to write about it.

You are mistaken on several counts.

first, Nick Killed more than just the reapers and those hundjager during those two seasons. Not counting gun kills or kills where he had help, by the time samedi hit him with that toxin Nick had the blood of 8 wesen on his hands (the Hundjager and reapers you mentioned, a Nucklavee, a Daemonfeuer and a Geir) in hand to hand combat. It also bears mention that his kill count would be considerably higher if he killed every wesen he beat in close combat (it might even double). Hank was of no help in the first season, and was only marginally helpful in fights in the second season.

Second, with regards to the bit about Juliette not finding made-Hexenbiest in the Grimm books, that does not signify much. She was, remember, interrupted by Nick and company before she could finish. Even if there is no mention of them, that also does not signify much. Grimms who encountered a made hexenbiest in combat would likely not recognized them as made (There probably would not have any means of finding that out, and likely would not care either way..) and would have likely simply recorded the incident as that time they killed a tougher than average Hexenbiest (and do not tell me that the grimms would not be able to kill the these super-hexenbiests; Grimms are very creative and talented killers. besides, Juliette bled after her fight with Adalind, and anything that can bleed can die).

Finally, It is worth mentioning that you kind of missed the point with Juliette kills. it is not so much that she only beat 3 wesen so much as that the wesen she beat were unimpressive; a young and idiotic blutbad, a sub-par hexenbiest and a Manticore who had clearly lost his touch (he doesn't fight equal foes on equal footing like nick does, none of those he killed fought back). She has yet to fight a foe who was actually a threat to her or Nick, so it should not surprise that she has won each time.

bottom line is, Nick is not remotely inferior in power to Juliette by any stretch. She is powerful, but so is he. He has proven his power time and again, while she has yet to come against a real challenge. both of their body counts will probably increase over time and Juliette limits will be revealed at some point. But, until then, my argument stands true.

And before you point this out, the Manticore saying that it is easier to kill an emotional Grimm is not evidence that he actually did. He could be taunting her or, just as likely, logically coming to the conclusion that grimms, like most people, fight more poorly when emotional.