Board Thread:General Grimm Discussion/@comment-98.117.68.195-20150503215639/@comment-24399666-20160113024820

83.97.252.96 wrote: Oh Katherine, maybe Nick is the hero, but as all good hero he has his lights and his shadows. and he indeed was a little "pig".

She always has had sexeye with Adalind Schade. Why when he was in the street and he just bought the ring for Juliette was looking Adalind, even before that she would woge? If he´s so in love, why he was looking a dazzling blonde in the street?

BECAUSE HE FOUND ADALIND ATRACTIVE.

he is like all the men, and the women; they can be in love madly with a woman to be unfaithful to her in his mind with another, being attracted with anothers women too.

And Nick was a pig too when he stole Diana of Adalind. Really he was not very "hero" then, ploting with his mother and Renard by steal her kid. If now Adalind would run away with Kelly while Nick is sleeping what he would feel? By moments i´d desire that she would make that, so he would learn how he hurted Adalind with her daughter Diana.

The Nick "rape" as a lot of people call it, is nothing next to the kidnapping of a child. And Nick´s love endless by Juliette, with the Musai...why the spell did affect him? a Grimm in love should have resisted the attraction, here the writing was a botch. Juliette was so pathetic when Nick was looking the Musai in the window and she speaking alone...Nick and Juliette seemed the perfect couple, but always there was something there...a kind of feeling that actually not only the Nadalind fans feels, but even the actors, and even the character of Aunt Marie, that always in the Nickette relationship was scaping...a glimpse of no-trusting, or fear, or maybe is just their zero chemistry who knows? while a lot of years i believed that Nickette would be the endgame but now i´m asking to myself why Nickette should? is a ship that did not work in any level. i understand to their shippers, but the true is always bitter.

Nick does not have to live a future with Adalind. He´s living with her by his own choice. I remember HANK looking at Adalind, and clearly being smitten with her. Nick profiled her. I do remember him smiling at her and her smiling politely back, and then she woged and then Nick looked at her in horror.

...Ok, I just rewatched that scene. We're both right. Here's what happened: Nick comes out of the jewelry shop with the ring. He trades some banter with Hank, and then hears laughter and turns to the sound while getting into the car, still smiling from the banter with Hank. Hank jokingly says, "Detective, what are you looking at? You just bought a ring." Nick: "That's not what I'm looking at." Hank realizes Nick's about to profile the pretty girl (again), and says, "Come on, don't ruin it for me?" Nick continues, "No, she wears Armani, makes low six figures, drives a BMW, and is falling for a senior partner at her law firm. Nothing but trouble, Hank." Hank, disappointed, says, "Why can't you just look at her ass like the rest of us?" Nick: "I can't." Hank: "Come on, Nick, we have a call." Nick looks one last time at Adalind, and sees her woge (for some unknown reason). She woges back, disconcerted, and hurries away, and Nick stares after her, trying to figure out what he just saw.

That isn't being a pig. Having sex with her while she's pretending to be Juliette, KNOWING that she's not Juliette... that would be being a pig! And that's what Syscrash and I were discussing at the time. That would not only be unfaithful to Juliette in a way that is completely out of character for him, but it would also be a betrayal of Juliette's identity and rights as a person on so many other levels.

Sean stole Diana because that was the only way to keep her safe. He then gave her to Viktor in order to trick Viktor into believing that the Resistance had Diana. Nick helped with the "tricking Viktor" part. Adalind knew as well as Sean did that there was no way Diana was ever going to be safe as long as she remained with Adalind, but she was too concerned with what she (Adalind) needed to pay attention to what Diana needed. Not saying that to slam Adalind; that's just what happened.

Even if Nick had kidnapped Diana (as opposed to just assisting Sean with getting Diana back from Viktor), I still feel uncomfortable comparing kidnapping a child to give her to somebody for her own safety, vs. committing a rape under threat of never seeing your child again. Apples and oranges. Both are terrible. Both are understandable in context. I wouldn't make any comment about one being worse than the other.

And more to the point, it's kind of hard to even frame what Adalind did to Nick in that context, because as far as Adalind knew at the time, Nick had done everything possible to help her keep her baby (even though he didn't owe her anything, and in fact she's lucky he didn't just kill her). She didn't do what she did because they took her child, regardless of how she (or rather the writers) are trying to rewrite history. She did what she did because she believed that Viktor had her child, and Viktor had told her that she could see Diana again if she just did this one little thing for him. (I still wonder why she didn't just say that instead of saying, "I only did what I did because you took my child from me." The truth actually paints her in a far more sympathetic light than that!)

According to the Musai, the reason it worked so quickly on him was precisely because he was a Grimm. I.e. that is a known Grimm weakness. But you're right; it would be nice to explore that further, with a better explanation than just, "You see, your friend's real problem is that he's a Grimm, and because of that, it's all working much faster than it should."

Agreed: he is living with her by choice. And if he makes a decision (either based on feelings that are influenced by external factors or not) with full knowledge of what he's getting into after it's established that he's never getting Juliette back, I'll sit back and enjoy the show. But there's a good way and a bad way to do it. The bad way is to whitewash and retcon the past. The good way is to deal with the past and move forward.