Board Thread:Episode Discussions/@comment-3125844-20140425135414/@comment-6707115-20140518174137

LCD2YOU wrote: Draconi Nascentum Imperatore wrote:

LCD2YOU wrote: a lot Why would the Royals imprison Adalind, they, and the Resistance will both eventually find out about Team Grimm's deception, and having Adalind out there knowing she was betrayed by Team Grimm, and her daughter abducted by them can only be a plus for the Royals (I don't think the Resistance would be amused by Team Grimm impersonating them to take the infant as well). How is Adalind's actions to get her baby (she left the Royals for a similar reason, not out of avarice) back not understandable. She does care for her child, it also had a good influence on her, so whatever path she's on now, Team Grimm is fully responsible for having placed her on it. Not that I dislike Nick, but I can't help but feel him losing his Grimm powers is karma as it never would have happened had Diana been taken by Kelly (who probably wants another shot at being a mother as well). Basically Team Grimm brought what happened unto themselves, by abducting the child, and I don't think Adalind's actions are objectionable from the perspective that Nick is complicit in Diana's abduction. The only thing is, Adalind doesn't yet know Nick was involved in what happened to Diana, so technically her acting the way she did was motivated by Nick's powers being expendable in the quest to get Diana back.

Also, whoever kills Adalind has to think about facing Diana's wrath in the future; and if it's Team Grimm, they'll also probably turn Diana against everything they've taught her once they discover they kidnapped her, were responsible for her Grandmother's needless death, and murdered her mother (at the very least Diana would see everything Kelly and her allies would have taught her as being nothing more than lies, and really they would deserve that kind of reaction from Diana). You're correct, the Royals could just kill Adalind instead. Best case scenario for Adalind is that the Royals tell her that Resistance stole her baby. That she took away Nick's powers was a test and she passed. She works for them now and is essentially irredeemable.

Adalind's reaction to the baby has something to do with the maternal bond, but I don't think Adalind is that deep or mature. The "doll" was taken and Adalind wants her doll back. The reason why the doll had to leave, she, Renard, renard's mother, a possible bloodbath in Portland of many who know Nick, etc, and the Royals take the "doll" anyway be damned

If "Karma" is what Nick suffered for taking the baby from Adalind so many can live, then I would say that Karma is way to stupid and short sighted to exist. If that is what Karma really is, then it is nothing more than stupid, blind luck. Karma is what you get for being mean and despicable for no good reason at all.

As will killing Adalind put that person on the "I hate you forever" list with Diana, sounds nice but that may never happen. If Diana turns out good, she's not going to be happy but she will know that some people are irredeemable or so close that it really doesn't matter. After all, if the Royals really do end up and killed her dad, shouldn't that already put her on the "Kill the Royals" band wagon?

Then again, one can say "Renard's death was a Rogue", so too can one from the Grimm Gang kill Adalind, say Juliette for what Adalind kept doing to her and her life and it wasn't sanctioned by anyone. I think too much will be on killing or not killing Adalind, especially when Diana has taken to Kelly as she did

Just because she'll be antagonistic against the Royals for Renard's death (if he dies that is) doesn't mean Diana wouldn't turn against everything that Kelly teaches her she should do. She could just place Kelly and her allies on the same list as the Royals, as a group that just wants her for her abilities (which is really the only reason Kelly cares for Diana) and has lied to her repeatedly before. Just because she would be antagonistic to the Royals, Team Grimm, or whoever doesn't mean she'll embrace the other faction, she could just see the whole hidden order in Grimm as something that needs to be purged by fire. Oh, and why would Diana see things from Kelly or Team Grimm's perspective once she discovers that Kelly needlessly caused (technically killed, as Kelly is a loose cannon) her grandmother's death, Renard was the one overseeing all of Adalind's actions before Nick originally took her powers (surprisingly no one seems to be complaining about Renard in this, yet complain about Adalind for what, following Renard's plans? Fleeing from antagonistic Royals? Doing what she can as a mother to rescue her child from parties that just want it for it's power?), she was abducted solely for her powers, and that her mother was killed trying to get her back. I'm sorry, but if Diana finds all of this out I seriously doubt she'll embrace Team Grimm as "good guys". Besides, just because she embraces them as and infant doesn't mean she'll be embracive of them once she fully develops sapience, especially as a teen who's found out everything Team Grimm may have told her has been lies (as I doubt Kelly will raise Diana with the knowledge she was abducted from her mother so that when she grows up she can use her powers the way Kelly wants her to, that she killed her grandmother, etc).

Besides, Diana was a very good influence of Adalind. Really, everyone seems to rag on Adalind for what she did against Nick on Reinard's orders (which is interesting because Reinard also tried to kill Nick's aunt Marie indirectly yet everyone forgets this), for getting revenge for being halved as a being (as a hexenbiest losing their power must rival death in their culture), for going to Prince Eric when everyone (including Reinard, and her mother) rejected her), and now for doing what she can as a mother to save Diana.