Board Thread:General Grimm Discussion/@comment-98.117.68.195-20150503215639/@comment-24399666-20151201032533

83.97.252.96 wrote: Ok Syscrash i´m agree with the part of Nick loving Juliette very much. But Juliette killed his mother, so by consequence of that, he can keep mixed feelings about Juliette. And i don´t see to Nick rejecting forever to Adalind by the absurd theory of Nick "loving to Juliette until the death, beyond the love, beyond the family, beyond the life itself...." like if she had been a kind of saint. The bitter truth is that Nick is following with his life.

You have a habit of arguing against things that people never said, and arguing against incidental things instead of the main point of people's posts. You did it to me too, a few weeks ago. It's irritating. Please stop.

I don't believe that Syscrash ever said that Nick will hold onto Juliette until death, rejecting all others. In fact, I don't believe anybody has said that. There have been varying degrees of, "Nick wouldn't get over Juliette's loss this fast," and other people saying, "Nick might move on, but not with Adalind, because there's too much bad blood between them," but there's a big difference between either of those things, and, "Nick will love Juliette until the death, to the exclusion of everybody else, and will never move on."

83.97.252.96 wrote: And no, my friend, Adalind is not trying of seduce Nick. For what she was gonna to make that? If she would want him as husband or as major couple, just by interest she would take another route, not trying to find a job, and to be independent. Because the day that she will want to be independent with the Wesen threat decreases will arrive. And when she has a work, and Kelly maybe yet has not shown any rare status Wesen, just a normal baby (i think that the writers will take the route of the child being a pure Grimm and for now a normal human baby), Adalind will recoer the trust in herself and maybe will want a life own.

I agree that Adalind will want to be more independent. Who wouldn't, in her position? To answer the question of why she would seduce him, the answer's right there: right now, she's completely dependent on Nick: somebody who had repeatedly (and with good reason) threatened to kill her in the past. Except for Nick and his friends, she's entirely alone with no job and a baby. Naturally, she would pull out everything she has in order to stay on his good side. That means making use of every tool at her disposal. Those tools include a) Kelly, and b) the attraction between her and Nick. She has to be really careful about using the latter, though, since if Nick catches on, it could go very badly for her, and she knows it.

Hence the hanging bra in the bathroom, coming out without pants (frankly, if it were me and I genuinely had no interest in seducing the guy, I'd put the pants back on, even if they had some baby vomit on them), etc.

This isn't to condemn Adalind - actually, this is just about the least diabolical thing she's ever done. She's not being conniving, just desperate. And before you protest that there's a genuine attraction and admiration there on her part as well... I'm not saying there isn't. I'm just saying... take off the rose-colored glasses, and see what's actually going on. What's actually going on is more interesting than a fairy-tale romance where the former villainess suddenly has a complete personality overhaul, anyway. More layers. More dimensions.

83.97.252.96 also wrote: I don´t see her seducing him, not confuse her natural seductive way with an intentional seduction. We´ve seen what happen when Adalind want to be seductive. With Sean she was the opposite of how she´s being with Nick. In fact, she was surprised when Nick embraced her in the last episode, because she knows very well that if there is a man whom she never could seduce is to Nick Burkhardt. He loves Juliette, but he´s trying follow with his life. I know that there are loves that any die. and i know how when a dear person dies you never maybe will find a love like that, because that person, as Juliette was maybe, was the love of your life. i can get this point. But not think that Nick is able of all temptation with Adalind by Juliette´s memory. Well he´s a Grimm not a monk. The bitter true is that Nick is meeting a new Adalind, he looks at her like if he never would have met her. And this season 5 is a reboot. Adalind is a revelation to Nick. And he´s been always attracted by her, since she´s really a ver attractive woman, pretty far of Juliette with all my respects. Nick´s character is changing too, he has lost everything and Juliette has a lot of fault. he loves Juliette yet, i don´t have doubts, but neither i have doubts with the idea that He´s startint to fall in love with Adalind Schade, because he likes this new version. She´s the opposite side of Juliette. She was surprised when Nick embraced her, because a) she wasn't expecting anything to happen just yet, and b) because Nick's behavior was legitimately surprising.

Mainly, where we disagree, is the idea that Nick is making a deliberate choice to move forward... with Adalind. Right now. If that is what the writers are putting into the show, then I guess I will be going from 1 show that I watch religiously, to 0. I can't watch a show where the writers play that fast and loose with something as important to the quality of the show, as consistent characterization for the protagonist.

Nick has always... always... been a fundamentally monogamous man who was deeply in love with Juliette. In Season 1, a Daemonfeuer - one of the most empirically attractive women I've ever seen - jumped him... and he just lay there like a rock. The only time he ever came close to being with anybody other than Juliette was when he was roofied by a Musai. His monogamous nature has always been a firmly established aspect of his personality. Someone like that, when he goes through a betrayal and loss of the woman he had been in love with, will go through an extended mourning period, followed by a rebound romance, and then maybe something serious. And, serious or not, chemistry or not, he would only get into something with Adalind specifically - a woman that Juliette hated with a passion - after he is thoroughly finished grieving for Juliette. Which won't be for a long time yet.

Note that I said, "a long time yet." Again, big difference between "a long time yet," and "never."

And, of course, I'm talking about what would happen if it were entirely up to Nick, and if he grieves at the normal rate for somebody like him. All bets are off if there's some sort of external force at work here. :) All I ask is, if that's the case, that it be established. Like, in the show. Not here, in the discussion boards, where 99% of fans will never see it.