Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-3125844-20150225201100/@comment-184.147.182.210-20150318222329

We're going to keep doing this until one of use dies, aren't we?

sigh... oh well. On with the refutation.

1. "It is not that Adalind influenced Viktor to answer the door. Answering the door was a way to make a point. They wanted something so you would see Viktor acting unexplainably. Something that would make it unmistakably that Viktor is not acting his normal self."

You are claiming that Vicktor is acting abnormally, the sole reason for which is Adalinds presence. how is that not equivalent to claiming "Vicktor is being influenced by Adalind"? they sound equivalent, whether or not you mean it to be.

2. "Look at all of the images of Adalind. When she is in black is when she is doing her hexenbiest thing. When her cloth choice is light is when she is being Adalind. This is by design so the audience can follow which character you are watching. The darker Adalinds clothes the more devious she is getting ready to be. Dark clothes are her evil costume. Point when we see her with Diana we see her in light clothes even if it is just the coat. Color is used for visual clues. So if Viktor wanted ADalind as a mother there would have been clothes that promote the kinder motherly Adalind. Watch Juliette when Juliette is in red you know something big is getting ready to happen. You will also notice that green is being used to indicate Juliettes hexenbiest transition. Having all black clothes indicates Adalind is going to called upon to be her evilest."

You are looking waaaayyyy to far into colour symbolism here. It is often the case that the consumer of a media form will often see meaning the creator never intended (Socrates noted something similar with regards to artists).

Regardless, why the hell would Vicktor give a crap about symbolism in clothing?!?! Does he believe that the colour of ones clothes can honestly influence behavior? Or is he aware that he is on a TV show and is taking advantage of the factors you describe? This theory is ridiculous. He got here black clothes because black is a popular dress colour and he was using it as a peace offering. No other reason needed.

3. "I am talking about suduction not romance. What hexenbiest do has nothing to do with sex or romance. It has to do with understand and knowing what it takes to make a man do and perform outside of their normal behavior. Adalind needed to tone Viktor down if for nothing else for her own protection. Going to Portland with Viktor as his sadistic psychopathic self would get you killed. Watch how Adalind responds to Viktor. She acts as if she has it all under control. She shows no fear of being with Viktor. But then she always feels she has her men under control. It is what her mother has always tried to teach her. There was that long discussion Adalind had with her mother on how to control Sean. When her mother sent her to Sean to get the key."

You are switching up your claims. wern't you the one who claimed, after Marechausee had aired, that Vicktor telling Adalind "simmer down, I have my own bedroom" was proof that they had been sleeping together? And earlier in this discussion, you claim that Vicktor would find black dresses "sexy". You have been pushing the idea that Adalind has been manipulating Vicktor through sex for a while, only backtracking now in order to save face.

Regardless, you are also inventing Adalind being "in control" by manipulating Vicktor through (in your latest claim) non-sexual means. Where the hell did you get that idea? I see no evidence of Victor being manipulated by her. Vicktor has been dictating the terms since Adalind came back to the family. Vicktor said they were going back to portland, so they went. Adalind was not allowed to go after Juliette until Vicktor gave her the get-go (if she was in control, why would she have to wait?) If he is more polite now, that does not signify much; by your own admission "Vicktor being polite" is only a short distance from "Vicktor about to kill".

Lastly, you seem a little confused with regards to Adalind and her mother. Catherine never told Adalind to get the Key from Sean; Catherine was approached by Sean for the express purpose of making sure Adalind did as she was told. That "long conversation" had more to do with Adalind ignoring her personal feelings (for Sean) so that she could properly concentrate on getting the key FROM NICK (it was Eric who told her to get the key from Sean, and that was by blackmailing him). I have watched that episode recently, so I know what I am talking about.

4.

"I never said Vicktor would sleep with Adalind. At least not out of being interested in him. The show makes a point to indicate hexenbiest are seductress not prostitutes."

As previously stated, you HAVE repeatedly stated that Vicktor had sexual feeling towards Adalind.

5.

"Adalind was pregnent with Royal blood, that is why Viktor was civil. As for "Manners" Viktor has shown when he is nice to you. Your are about to be dead. Remember the plan was deliver the baby and toss Adalind out with the trash. If it wasn't for Stefani. Viktor would have cut the baby out. he was getting very impatient."

Is this you conceding to my point (that he was only polite to get what he needed) or you unwittingly contradicting the first part of your argument (That Victor presenting a less bloodthirsty side to Adalind in the hotel was a sign he is being manipulated)? I cannot really tell.

6.

"Only on Hank was magic used. With Hank magic was not used to seduce him but to obtain leverage. Sean had never intended for Adalind to put Hank in danger. He only wanted Adalind to persuade him. From the conversation ADalind and Sean had. He was disturbed that ADalind had not turned Hank because he know she could if she wanted to. Sean did not buy that weak excuse that Hank's professional ethics was getting in the way. Because SEan was up against the clock he gave ADalind the blood so she could take a short cut. I see it as Adalind made up the excuse hoping Sean would make Nick the target. We can see the show implicating the seductive power of hexenbiest in how SEan responds to Juliette. Long after the obsession potion. Sean has never had a problem being around Juliette. But as a hexenbiest each time Sean is around Juliette he gets more and more uneasy. Compare how he responded when Adalind as Juliette made a pass at him. To how he is with her now."

Sean totally meant for Adalind to put Hank in danger. He told her to target Hank, told her use him as leverage and gave her the critical ingredient (Hanks blood). He even gave her the order to sleep with him and put him into the coma (he calls Adalind right before we see the leeches on her face). There is no way in hell that he did not have complete knowledge regarding what she was planning. Also, Sean was at no point even remotely frighted of Adalind during the first season (or subsequent seasons come to think of it, barring Nobody knows the Trubel I've seen), so I have a hard time buying the idea that he could have been "disturbed" by anything she did.

And I see no sign of "Uneasiness" with regards to Juliette, at least not yet. when he called Juliette after his encounter with Faux-Juliette, his tone is perfectly pragmatic, stating in a polite but matter of fact tone that the kiss cannot happen again.

Look, I am going to come out and say this outright; I am tiring of this. Every time you defend your theory I am compelled by some unknown part of my psyche to respond to it and dismantle it. Your continued defense of your EXTREMELY flawed premise is wearing on my patience (as you can probably tell by the increasing presence of insults in my posts as well as an increasingly condescending and disrespectful tone). Not only that, your blindness to contradictions within your own argument (which I have pointed out to you) has given me the distinct impression that you will just keep on twisting your own arguments in such a way that allows you to save face, regardless of what conclusion you will end up with.

So it would seem that we are destined to suffer a deadlock; Both of us needing to have the last word and neither able to be convinced by the other. I hereby request you drop this subject and forward a new theory on a different subject, otherwise neither of us will truly be ale to rest.