Board Thread:Episode Discussions/@comment-3125844-20140425135414/@comment-6707115-20140518190154

LCD2YOU wrote: Draconi Nascentum Imperatore wrote:

LCD2YOU wrote: a lot Just because she'll be antagonistic against the Royals for Renard's death (if he dies that is) doesn't mean Diana wouldn't turn against everything that Kelly teaches her she should do. She could just place Kelly and her allies on the same list as the Royals, as a group that just wants her for her abilities (which is really the only reason Kelly cares for Diana) and has lied to her repeatedly before. Just because she would be antagonistic to the Royals, Team Grimm, or whoever doesn't mean she'll embrace the other faction, she could just see the whole hidden order in Grimm as something that needs to be purged by fire. Oh, and why would Diana see things from Kelly or Team Grimm's perspective once she discovers that Kelly needlessly caused (technically killed, as Kelly is a loose cannon) her grandmother's death, Renard was the one overseeing all of Adalind's actions before Nick originally took her powers (surprisingly no one seems to be complaining about Renard in this, yet complain about Adalind for what, following Renard's plans? Fleeing from antagonistic Royals? Doing what she can as a mother to rescue her child from parties that just want it for it's power?), she was abducted solely for her powers, and that her mother was killed trying to get her back. I'm sorry, but if Diana finds all of this out I seriously doubt she'll embrace Team Grimm as "good guys". Besides, just because she embraces them as and infant doesn't mean she'll be embracive of them once she fully develops sapience, especially as a teen who's found out everything Team Grimm may have told her has been lies (as I doubt Kelly will raise Diana with the knowledge she was abducted from her mother so that when she grows up she can use her powers the way Kelly wants her to, that she killed her grandmother, etc). Even if Diana turns out good in the future, it doesn't bar her from labeling Kelly, and Team Grimm as being just another broken thing in the whole Wesen-Grimm world, that's in need of being swept away when she puts an end to the destructive Royal-Resistance War.

Besides, Diana was a very good influence of Adalind. Really, everyone seems to rag on Adalind for what she did against Nick on Reinard's orders (which is interesting because Reinard also tried to kill Nick's aunt Marie indirectly yet everyone forgets this), for getting revenge for being halved as a being (as a hexenbiest losing their power must rival death in their culture), for going to Prince Eric when everyone (including Reinard, and her mother) rejected her), and now for doing what she can as a mother to save Diana.

Really, Adalind is the ONLY party who wants Diana solely because of Diana rather than because of her powers. Diana could put everyone on the same list, if she wasn't that bright. Kelly doesn't "just care for Diana for her powers, she is caring for Diana to grow into a real person, not some Adalind clone, nor Royal Brat.

If Diana were to do what you stated to the Grimms for what they did with fire, she'd be doing that out of selfish interests and as such, Diana would be evil. Better for Kelly to end her now then, huh?

I reject your idea which seems to be that both sides of the conflict are equally wrong. Sorry, that is not the case. The Resistance wouldn't be around if there were no Royals. Are Grimms, especially Kelly, killing for fun and profit? No. Did Kelly kill her grandmother? No, there was a fight, indirect maybe, but just a fight. What was the fight for? To save another's life. Seems if Diana were to hold that against Kelly as equal to the wanton death and killings of the Royals, the whimsical, "'Do, you mind if I take care of Renard?', 'Not at all'", then the world is screwed as blood fueds will always get in the way of helping innocent people.

If Diana is good, she'll see that with the destruction of the Royals, the Resistance goes away, no need to kill them en masse (though I've no doubt there are individuals who aren't very nice inside she might have a hand with). Vengence is not good. Vengence when there are other avenues is evil. Sounds as though you're thinking Diana will be evil.

Diana WAS a good influence, for that moment. Now think even if they were to keep the Royals away, how long before Adalind starts playing goddess with her doll? What i'm saying is the way Adalind would be more than happy sacrificing EVERYONE to keep her child when this was a good way to keep everyone safe, shows that Adalind wasn't reformed, she was placated.

As to ragging on Adalind for what she did to Nick is wrong because it is on par with her character: Selfish and nihilistic. She got Karma'd and still she went deeper. Perhaps this is the Karmic lesson for her to loose Diana. It fits far more with the idea of Karma that I'm used to hearing about where the wicked, not those doing things for the right reason, deserve to have bite them.

As for Renard trying to kill Aunt Marie, he admitted as so TO THE WOMAN'S SISTER, and apologized, wishing he could have had more foresight; Adalind never wishes for that only that she's being inconvenienced

Pince Eric took Adalind as a weapon to use against his brother. That she made a perfectly acceptable blow up doll was just an added bonus

I completely disagree that Adalind only wants Diana for being Diana. Adalind wants Diana for being a doll she can dress up and "love" and form in her own image. The idea that Diana is more than that is in the back of Adalind's mind. However her want of the child would mean death to far too many and Adalind doesn't give a crap. Even Kelly knew when she had to let her child go, to save many lives

I didn't mean that Diana will off all the Grimms (and at this point the Resistance has wronged her or her family in no way). Diana (as a teen especially) would be more inclined to rebel against what Kelly's agenda is and her whole destiny, as in if it's not unite the Royals and their gov't under her rule, apply the personal liberties the Resistance wants, and put an end to individual Grimms running around with their own agendas, it could always go to where she rejects Team Grimm and does what she can to not cooperate with her destiny. Besides, if Adalind knew where her baby really was, I doubt she'd be okay with allowing the one who killed her mother to just have her daughter (understandably). Still, Diana was taken from Adalind without even letting her know that keeping Diana would cause Team Grimm to be targeted (which will probably end up happening anyway). However, how can you prove that Adalind is only interested in Diana as a doll rather than as a mother (as she IS Diana's mother); there's just as much evidence to suggest that Kelly sees Diana as a second chance at being a mother (which isn't right). It could have been just as easily arranged for Adalind to join Kelly and Diana after a bit of a while once the heat had died down in Portland. As for Adalind seeing Diana as a thing, I disagree completely, she looks at Diana as her child, Kelly looks on Diana as the chosen one in need of protection (who she'll probably try to pass off as being the child of deceased friends and raise as her own seeing as how she lost Nick at 12 or so).