Board Thread:General Grimm Discussion/@comment-24399666-20151114213555/@comment-26144319-20151120214149

Katerine459 wrote: Scout Trooper 164 wrote: Katerine459 wrote: Bheadr27 wrote: I'd like some private Daddy-Son moments, but with the Wesen-war coming... could be difficult to get the time (for something the showrunner think worth showing us). Maybe he is already having his moments, but we don't get to see them... Exactly. We're not seeing them. When it comes to emotional bonding, if we're not seeing it happen, it may as well not exist.

It wouldn't take much time. Have Nick and Adalind get ready to take Kelly somewhere, Adalind leaves to get something (the "Adalind leaves" part is crucial, for reasons I already went into), Kelly starts fussing, and Nick takes a minute to calm him down, and we see love there. It would take 45 seconds, tops, and it's such an important thing, if Kelly is to mean anything at all to us, the viewers, in his own right. Yeah, but it's sad that his mom is still gaining all of his scenes. Anyway, I think some folks are negative towards Kelly because he's one of the main causes for his parents to be together. I feel like that whoever hates Adalind will hate KSB as well. If he manifests as a kid or even a baby of course, he could mean some more to us, and we could find his purpose besides keeping his father sane. People are negative towards Kelly because he's the main device that the show is using to push Nick and Adalind together, yes. But it doesn't have to be that way. :|

Whether he manifests as a baby or not, is actually far less important than whether we, the audience, feel an emotional attachment to this baby. And that happens vicariously... we feel an emotional attachment, if we feel that the characters we like (and have liked since the beginning) feel an emotional attachment. Especially when it's one-sided and has no history behind it (as it would be, with a newborn infant).

As for plots involving KSB... I still think there's a really obvious plot potential there, whether he manifests or not. In fact, it would be especially powerful if this plot occurs before he manifests. And that plot is: the Reapers, the Wesenrein, any number of other blood purity groups or just groups that are dedicated to killing all Grimms, take advantage of Kelly's infancy and helplessness, and decide that it's better to kill him now, while he's still relatively helpless, then wait to see if he's a Grimm, a Zauberbiest, or some "blasphemous" hybrid of the two.

But as things stand right now, that plot would be met with a resounding, "meh." Why is that? It's not because the plot is bad; it's actually very similar to the Wesenrein/Tribunal plot, which is widely considered to be two of the best episodes in the show.

No, the reason it would be "meh," is that, while we care a great deal about Monroe, and MonRosalee, and we can really feel her panic, and Nick's fear and determination, at the thought that Monroe could get burned alive... that's because they spent years developing Monroe as a character, and more importantly, developing the emotional connections between him and Nick, and between him and Rosalee.

Meanwhile... as much as DG says that it's all about the baby, so far what we've seen in their scenes is that it's actually all about Adalind. That's clearly where the show's priorities are. Which... fine, but it's taking away from us being able to really feel what's important to our protagonist. What's important to Nick, should be important to us, and for the same reasons. He's the protagonist; that's how it's supposed to work! And... at least, theoretically, KSB is important to Nick. We're supposed to feel what's important to Nick.

[Edit: there's a second potential plot that I realized after posting this: the Uprising could kidnap KSB and use him to threaten Nick to not come after them. Current problem remains the same. It could be something where we really feel the emotional conflict, desperation, determination, etc., between Nick's rescue efforts... or it could be "meh." As things stand right now, it would be "meh," and it doesn't have to be that way.]

Are you also referring to my loud comments towards Syscrash as well? I feel like you're hardly are.