Board Thread:General Grimm Discussion/@comment-98.117.68.195-20150503215639/@comment-24399666-20151105205703

To the OP: Honestly, I think that Nick is doing a very difficult thing, agreeing to a truce with Adalind for the baby's sake. It's the responsible thing, and I think we're meant to understand how hard it is for him, and why. In that context, it's very irritating that, because of tropes, everyone is seeing this leading to a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship... although I wouldn't be averse to seeing it become one, eventually. Key word: ''eventually. ''Like, in the distant future, and after a LOT of development.

Syscrash53 wrote: I could see Adalind wanting to be with Nick. If see does get close to Nick I would have positive feelings knowing she is trying to make a better life for herself and her child. It is NIck that I would lose all respect for. How ever you look at it Jluiette is dead because of Adalind. Four seasons of Juliette being subjected to all kind of torments because of Adalind actions. The comment blame Juliette for Kelly dying. People forget it was Adalind that made Kelly a target in the first place. People blame Nick for taking her child. It was Kelly that keep her safe. If not for Nick, Sean, and Kelly Diana would have been taken by the Royals. There is no story line that could have explained how ADalind could have keep Diana from the Royals. Even the idea of ADalind taking the child and running. ADalind has no ability to live on the run. She has never shown to be self reliant. She has always shown to be a keep women. Even now someone is taking care of her.

The only story that will make this bearable is Adalind tries to do right but like an addict the real Adalind kicks in an she agains go back to looking out for herselfr. I agree in part, although I do think you're placing a little TOO much blame on Adalind's shoulders.

I agree that I'd lose respect for Nick, but I'd lose respect for Nick (and especially for the writing) if he jumped into any relationship right now. He's a fundamentally monogamous person who had loved Juliette for years. He was deeply traumatized by what happened to her. It should take him a long time to even get to the point, emotionally, where he's even ready to move onto a one-night stand, let alone a relationship. If he has any kind of sexual interest in anybody for at least 6 months, I will no longer know who Nick is.

I can see him eventually getting together with Adalind... if she changes. Drastically. It would make a lot of fans happy, and it'll make a lot of other fans physically ill and turn off their TV's, but maybe not if the writers really spend a lot of time in what Silas Weir Mitchell (referencing Monrosalee) called the "in-between."

Here's what Adalind is responsible for, and needs to atone for, before serious fans can take the idea of a relationship between her and Nick seriously:

- Raping Nick and taking away his powers. Yes, it was rape (and for the record, YES, men can be raped! And they are. IRL.) It was rape by fraud. Yes, it was Viktor's idea, and the responsibility ultimately falls on him because he took advantage of Adalind's genuine desperation in order to force her to do what he wanted (Adalind didn't want to do this)... but still, specifically in the context of Nick and Adalind getting together, this is kind of a giant elephant in the room.

- Raping Hank and almost killing him back in S1. See above. This was actually straightforward rape - no different from drugging him and having her way with him. Yes, she did it because Sean asked her to... sort of... although he didn't indicate that she should go to THAT length... but still... the reason she went along with it basically amounted to, she had a crush on Sean and wanted to impress him. That's not what I would call a "justification."

- Trying to kill Marie. See previous point regarding her reasons, and why they're not a justification. Although I am more inclined to forgive this, because killing a Grimm is somewhat more acceptible for a Wesen in the world of Grimm, than raping and almost killing an innocent Kehrseite, simply because he's a pawn.

- Putting Juliette (an innocent party at the time) in a coma and subjecting her and Sean to months of torment that could have killed them, purely out of revenge. PURELY out of revenge. She didn't even have the excuse that someone "made" her do it... it was all her idea. (And, on a different note, I need to say that this was when I had the most respect for her. She plotted rings around Renard. Renard.)

And here are things that she's not responsible for, or at least not nearly as responsible as others I could name:

- Everything that happened to Juliette in S4. Although I wouldn't blame Nick for feeling that way. She is indirectly responsible, but really, I ultimately blame Viktor, and... I don't blame Juliette - she made a really good, responsible decision at the time - but it was her choice. But really, the primary blame goes to Viktor.

- Kelly dying. Ummm... no. Not even close. The blame for that goes to Kenneth first, then to the Verrat, then to Juliette... and then to Sean, and then to Kelly herself. The only way Adalind was responsible was she told Viktor who she thought had kidnapped Diana. Which I can hardly blame her for doing, under the circumstances. Besides, even if nobody put it together that Kelly Burkhardt was alive and had Diana, they still would have found her eventually.