Board Thread:General Grimm Discussion/@comment-98.117.68.195-20150503215639/@comment-1509826-20150809204638

Amelyan wrote: Yes, I am exaggerating, but compared to her original, season 1 role, Adalind has turned into a main character.

Wasn't she a main character back in season 1? I agree her role has gotten bigger, perhaps unnecessarily.

Amelyan wrote: Other than her funny one liners, I don't see the point in her, she made a terrible villain (if you could actually call her that)

I agree, she wasn't a very good villain. But I think that's kind of the point, she always was an arrogant smug snake, trying to compete in a world with genuine experts.

As for her point, well just like the others she's a take on popular fairy tale archetypes, namely the wicked witch and the dark mistress.

Amelyan wrote: and in order for her to become a member of the scooby gang, her whole personality and history with the characters has to be rewritten, and I am not looking forward to that.

I agree I don't want it to be rewritten. But I don't know if that would be necessary, I mean she has to improve and become a better person sure for them to except her. But Adalind has shown the occasional softer side over the years, and I don't think redemption is beyond her. She seems to have finally learned she's not good enough to play the games she wants to, and they will just end up with her dead if she carries on.

I don't think there over look her past though, her struggling to make up for the past and move on with her life, would be much more interesting to watch.

Amelyan wrote: I don't see it as karma, I think she got off easy. She should/would have been killed either by the Royals or by Nick, but instead she will be protected forever by Nick, Sean and the scooby gang, because of the kid. Instead of paying for what she has done, she will live happily ever after. And that's not fair. Look at what she has done to Juliette, it's her fault she turned into a hexenbeast and got killed, it was supposed to be her with Nick but instead she is dead. Adalind hit the jackpot with Nick's baby, because whatever crimes she has committed and will commit, Nick will never hurt her.

I don't know if she's been let off that easily. I mean Adalind generally does pay for everything she does, karma always catches up with her. I mean the entire forth season was more or less Karma for what she did at the end of Season 3.

First she gets screwed over again and locked up in horrible dungeon. Then she outright gets tortured for several days (exactly how is never explained, but I'm assuming they subjected her to several powerful hallucinogenic's thus explaining all those surreal and nightmarish hallucinations), then upon getting back her first efforts backfire and she ends up beaten up. She then discovers she's now pregnant with Nick's child. Then in an element of pure Karma Juliette outright tries to kill her, even when she's only out dress shopping. Then the royals effectively sell her out and she's forced to place her life in the hands of the people who probably should kill her. And finally she ends up having to give up her powers, meaning everything she sort and suffered for during season 2 and 3 was for nothing, to save her own life. By the end of the season she's homeless, penniless, powerless and only living under the mercy of the person she's probably the most afraid of.

Personally I call that Karma.

Plus I don't think the fact she's now the mother of Nick's child means she's completely safe. Sure Nick's not going to hurt her while she's carrying, and I doubt Nick wants to rip a child away from its mother. But there is nothing stopping him simply taking his son away from her if she steps out of line.

I mean what's she going to do? She couldn't beat him when she was fully powered and he was still learning the ropes, now he's an experienced warrior and she's powerless. Legally she doesn't have a leg to stand on cause as it was conceived non-coessentially. And if she took it to a wesen court they would most likely burn her at the stake for sleeping with a Grimm (once they had made sure doing so would not bring down said Grimm's wrath).

So in essence, Adalind's got another chance (around her forth I think, probably more than she deserves, but she's gotten it) but that doesn't mean if she's now safe and has any actual power in this new relationship.

If she starts to slip, Nick will probably just take his son away or kill her.

Likewise I somehow have a feeling, Adalind's got a bit more suffering ahead of her. Amelyan wrote: Well, considering that we haven't actually seen much of her past, so I am not convinced that she had it so bad. Upbringing certainly has influence on us, but to blame her mother not loving her for Adalind turning out to be a selfish, vain, power-hungry and vindictive human being is a bit too much for me.

Now I'm not saying having an abusive mom absolves Adalind or excuses her in any way. But from what we saw of Catherine Schade, she was an uncaring stage mother, who was only kind to Adalind when she felt the girl could benefit her, and disowned her the moment she stopped being beneficial.

Likewise Adalind does have the slight problem, of all those Hexenbiest instincts driving her (the same one's that turned Juliette evil). Again this doesn't pardon her, but it helps lesser it to bad but still redeemable.

Amelyan wrote: She knew what she wanted, and was willing to do anything to get it. She sold her own baby for power. There is nothing that would absolve her of that.

Well she did more or less try and back out of the deal, the moment she realised what she was doing. And its not like she got out of that easy.